Class 175s to GWR

Snow1964 · Monday at 15:59

brad465 said:
I suspect the danger here is if a unit fails, the trek back to Laira is longer and potentially more disruptive if breaking down near Taunton.

Yes, but generally faults are going to show up quickly, within a few miles

Of course, longer journeys will eat up the miles quicker, but on the other hand, things like keeping swapping ends, opening and closing doors and generally having someone acting like a passenger using everything from door buttons, toilets, moving to every seat and socket, and occasionally using emergency alarm is much more realistic test threshold than running empty for 1000 miles

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RPI · Monday at 16:47

Anyway, back on topic, 004 emerged from Exeter Depot today and when I left it was over the back in one of the sidings, moved under its own power.

Express380 · Monday at 16:51

Just arrived at Plymouth to see 115 fail.

Apedlar12 · Monday at 18:53

Express380 said:
Just arrived at Plymouth to see 115 fail.

2C32 cancelled from Plymouth due to the failure.

2E28 at the moment should be started from Par with 150244.

Express380 · Monday at 20:43

Apedlar12 said:
2C32 cancelled from Plymouth due to the failure.

2E28 at the moment should be started from Par with 150244.

Overheard a driver on my 158 say that 175s now need to pass 1250 miles.

Unsure how true this is.

XFeed · Monday at 22:25

Express380 said:
Just arrived at Plymouth to see 115 fail.

115 failed couple of days ago, repeat failure ?

Express380 · Monday at 22:29

XFeed said:
115 failed couple of days ago, repeat failure ?

Reason stated on station PA was safety system failure.

XFeed · Monday at 22:34

Express380 said:
Reason stated on station PA was safety system failure.

Thanks, it`s a pity that we don`t know which one ?

irish_rail · Tuesday at 08:20

XFeed said:
Thanks, it`s a pity that we don`t know which one ?

AWS sunflowers that are not visible in the hours of darkness. Union has stepped in and told drivers to fail sets where the sunflower isn't illuminated properly.

REVUpminster · Tuesday at 08:33

Trying to work out realtime trains. 175115+175112 came out of Laira to Plymouth. One train left late possibly 112 to Exeter missing out the Paignton run only going as far as Newton Abbot then now back to Exeter.

Goldfish62 · Tuesday at 10:48

Snow1964 said:
To put 1000 miles into perspective

Penzance to Exeter about 10 times (or 5 return trips) for 1000 miles
If they did Penzance-Taunton instead, then about 4 return trips

Taunton isn't in normal operating area, but they are delivered via Taunton

The update from Modern Railways states that it's Penzance-Exeter runs and each unit is expected to take around a week to complete this.

And, as trains start accumulating fault-free miles between Exeter and Penzance – around seven round trips – it is expected each train will take around a week to complete this.

https://www.modernrailways.com/article/gwr-revises-175-plans?utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwcGRvZgNleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA8yNzUyNTQ2OTI1OTgyNzkAAR6Ti4jvKLmN4JtSz2oqtsBZk3hWudnMCRHSOP56Ys94lgF0NWiW_VHLI9mDGw_aem_P3F2wfBSv8EINlfmDV7CGA

REVUpminster · Tuesday at 11:35

Goldfish62 said:
The update from Modern Railways states that it's Penzance-Exeter runs and each unit is expected to take around a week to complete this.

https://www.modernrailways.com/article/gwr-revises-175-plans?utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwcGRvZgNleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA8yNzUyNTQ2OTI1OTgyNzkAAR6Ti4jvKLmN4JtSz2oqtsBZk3hWudnMCRHSOP56Ys94lgF0NWiW_VHLI9mDGw_aem_P3F2wfBSv8EINlfmDV7CGA

Exeter to Penzance is 131 miles so one round trip and 260 miles. 2C05 diagram does that twice in a day so half the mileage done. 003 was regularly doing but has disappeared. 115 doing it today though running late.

112 running between Exeter-Newton Abbotand Exeter-Plymouth accumulating mileage

D6130 · Tuesday at 11:45

REVUpminster said:
Exeter to Plymouth is 131 miles so one round trip and 260 miles. 2C05 diagram does that

According to my Track Atlas of Mainland Britain, Exeter St David's is 193 miles from Paddington and Plymouth is 245....which made it 52 miles when I was at school.

REVUpminster · Tuesday at 12:31

D6130 said:
According to my Track Atlas of Mainland Britain, Exeter St David's is 193 miles from Paddington and Plymouth is 245....which made it 52 miles when I was at school.

I did correct it.

Harpo · Tuesday at 16:02

D6130 said:
According to my Track Atlas of Mainland Britain, Exeter St David's is 193 miles from Paddington

Depends which route. Around 20 miles less via the B&H.

RPI · Tuesday at 16:07

112 is currently in service on the 15:27 Exeter to Penzance, rather cosy too as Crosscountry have just terminated one at Newton Abbot and piled them on here!

BillStampy · Tuesday at 16:48

RPI said:
112 is currently in service on the 15:27 Exeter to Penzance, rather cosy too as Crosscountry have just terminated one at Newton Abbot and piled them on here!

115 is meant to be on that according to RTT, are the units the wrong way around?

Apedlar12 · Tuesday at 18:06

RPI said:
112 is currently in service on the 15:27 Exeter to Penzance, rather cosy too as Crosscountry have just terminated one at Newton Abbot and piled them on here!

BillStampy said:
115 is meant to be on that according to RTT, are the units the wrong way around?

Can confirm 112 is on the training runs as I just saw it pass the cameras in Dawlish.

RPI · Tuesday at 18:50

Could have sworn it was 112, but didn't take too much notice

REVUpminster · Tuesday at 20:54

Just clocked on and 115 cancelled Par to Exeter and it's the connecting train at Exeter for Bristol.

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5E90 150 to Exeter was in the platform at Par and went off. I'm sure the passengers were impressed, not.

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115 as 5E28 terminating at Plymouth

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When the two trains were at Par, I wonder if they asked the guard of 115 to go on the 150 so it could go passenger to Exeter.

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5E90 has gone into the siding south of platform 3

XFeed · Tuesday at 22:25

irish_rail said:
AWS sunflowers that are not visible in the hours of darkness. Union has stepped in and told drivers to fail sets where the sunflower isn't illuminated properly.

I don`t know if the sunflowers themselves have since been modified or not but I have seen one picture within the cab that shows that the sunflower mounting was now angled towards the driver with the probable intention to make it more visible, is this the case on all the units now ?

Prior to storage sunflowers were not illuminated but the yellow petals were painted with fluorescent paint for visibility during darkness and in a depot environment during the hours of darkness the sunflowers were visible. I don`t recall any driver defect reports asking for them to be replaced due to poor visibility.

irish_rail · Wednesday at 08:01

XFeed said:
I don`t know if the sunflowers themselves have since been modified or not but I have seen one picture within the cab that shows that the sunflower mounting was now angled towards the driver with the probable intention to make it more visible, is this the case on all the units now ?

Prior to storage sunflowers were not illuminated but the yellow petals were painted with fluorescent paint for visibility during darkness and in a depot environment during the hours of darkness the sunflowers were visible. I don`t recall any driver defect reports asking for them to be replaced due to poor visibility.

I don't know the reasons why, but Aslef are inisiting that the sunflowers be luminous in darkness. I suppose it's to match the rest of the GWR fleet, ie it's something that drivers are accustomed to. You point out that the sunflower is visible on depot, and that's half the problem. They are mistakenly coming off depot, then the driver at Plymouth station has to either fail set, or wait for daylight before working the train.

Siemens Staines · Wednesday at 09:21

irish_rail said:
They are mistakenly coming off depot, then the driver at Plymouth station has to either fail set, or wait for daylight before working the train.

Would waiting for daylight be the reason that 175006 only worked 2C05 0655 Exeter St Davids to Penzance forward from Plymouth today? A 166 deputised between Exeter and Plymouth.

Brush 4 · Wednesday at 09:52

Is that the crux of the problem with all these failures then, sunflowers not illuminated?

TastyMaltesers · Wednesday at 10:09

Brush 4 said:
Is that the crux of the problem with all these failures then, sunflowers not illuminated?

Quite a ridiculous state of affairs if so! I suspect that the sunflowers are only 1 issue of many...

REVUpminster · Wednesday at 10:19

TastyMaltesers said:
Quite a ridiculous state of affairs if so! I suspect that the sunflowers are only 1 issue of many...

Maybe the drivers don't want to stop listening to music on their earbuds.

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Can only see 006 in passenger service and 112 out and about.

Still nothing from Wolverton this week. 10 weeks now.

Jrocks · Wednesday at 10:48

Siemens Staines said:
Would waiting for daylight be the reason that 175006 only worked 2C05 0655 Exeter St Davids to Penzance forward from Plymouth today? A 166 deputised between Exeter and Plymouth.

Correct, and thats only because we had a spare turbo. If there was no spare then 2C05 would have simply started at Plymouth

BillStampy · Wednesday at 12:27

Jrocks said:
Correct, and thats only because we had a spare turbo. If there was no spare then 2C05 would have simply started at Plymouth

Suspect then they'll pull 006 this evening if it still has that problem too.

Harpo · Wednesday at 12:59

Siemens Staines said:
Would waiting for daylight be the reason that 175006 only worked 2C05 0655 Exeter St Davids to Penzance forward from Plymouth today?

A train that can’t be used during the hours of darkness? Not sure I’ve heard of that before?

REVUpminster · Wednesday at 16:04

Harpo said:
A train that can’t be used during the hours of darkness? Not sure I’ve heard of that before?

That explains why 115 was cancelled Par-Exeter last night. Did the guard have to act as ears for the driver in case he was deaf, or how did it get back to Laira?

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