Colas Rail Ltd Mk3 Buffet Moves (Monday 19th- Wednesday 22nd December 2011)

Jdrowlands · 18 Dec 2011

47739
47749
(66846 to work the Washwood Heath - Boston flow on Wednesday vice 47 as none will be available)

Colas Rail Operated.

Monday 19th December 2011.

47, Barrier, 12 Mk3 Buffet, Barrier, 47.

5Z25

Eastleigh Works 1003
Eastleigh 1006½
Shawford 1011
Winchester 1013½
Worting Jn 1027
Basingstoke 1032
Bramley 1038
Southcote Jn 1050
Oxford Road Jn 1052
Reading West Jn 1054½ - 1104
Didcot East Jn 1120
Didcot North Jn 1121
Kennington Jn 1127
Oxford 1130
Oxford North Jn 1133 - 1141
Wolvercote Jn 1146
Heyford 1153
Aynho Jn 1204
Banbury 1210
Fenny Compton 1217½
Leamington Spa 1229
Milverton Jn 1235
Kenilworth 1239½
Gibbet Hill Jn 1245½
Coventry 1253
Birmingham International 1309 - 1323
Stechford 1329
Aston 1336
Perry Barr North Jn 1339½
Bescot Stadium 1349½
Darlaston Jn 1350½
Portobello Jn 1353
Bushbury Jn 1404½
Stafford Trent Valley Jn 1416½
Stafford 1417½
Norton Bridge 1423½
Madeley 1432½
Crewe Basford Hall Jn 1444
Crewe 1451 - 1513½
Crewe Coal Yard 1516
Winsford 1521
Hartford Jn 1526
Acton Bridge 1527½
Weaver Jn 1530
Acton Grange Jn 1538
Warrington Bank Quay 1540
Dallam Jn 1541
Winwick Jn 1542½
Springs Branch Jn 1554
Wigan South Jn 1554½
Wigan North Western 1555
Balshaw Lane 1602
Euxton Jn 1604½
Preston 1609
Lancaster 1624½
Morecambe South Jn 1630
Carnforth North Jn 1635
Oxenholme 1644½
Tebay 1658½
Penrith 1714
Carlisle 1732½
Caldew Jn 1734½
Carlisle Yard Colas Rail 1742

Tuesday 20th December and Wednesday 21st December 2011

47, Barrier, 6 Mk3 Buffet, Barrier, 47.

5Z25

Carlisle Yard Colas Rail 0935
Floriston 0946
Gretna Jn 0950
Annan 1000½
Dumfries 1013½
Holywood 1017½
Thornhill 1037
Kirkconnel 1051½
New Cumnock 1101
Auchinleck 1107½
Mauchline 1114
Kilmarnock 1123½
Kilmarnock Signal K72 1124½ - 1126½
Kilmarnock (Barclay) Sidings 1129

47, 2 Barrier, 47.

5Z26

Kilmarnock (Barclay) Sidings 1348
Kilmarnock Signal K72 1349½ - 1351½
Barassie Jn 1400
Barassie Jn DPL 1402½ - 1422
Prestwick Town 1427
Falkland DGL 1432 - 1540
Newton 1541
Ayr Signal PA335 1542 - 1544
Annbank 1552
Mauchline 1608 - 1610
Auchinleck 1615½
New Cumnock 1622
Kirkconnel 1631½
Thornhill 1648
Holywood 1657 - 1720
Dumfries 1724
Annan 1737H
Gretna Jn 1748
Mossband 1751
Carlisle NY 1803

Looks like I'll be off to Huddersfield and Crewe tomorrow then for this and 0Z37! No times for the moves back south just yet...

Ta "That Man" for help with the consists.
Jacob.

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tnxrail · 18 Dec 2011

Thanks I'll check this out around Birmingham do you no why there are being moved.

williamn · 19 Dec 2011

Why do these sorts of trains have to have a barrier?

90019 · 19 Dec 2011

williamn said:
Why do these sorts of trains have to have a barrier?

Could they be HST buffets?

ainsworth74 · 19 Dec 2011

90019 said:
Could they be HST buffets?

They are indeed HST buffets so they will not be compatible with most locomotive couplings.

MCR247 · 19 Dec 2011

tnxrail said:
Thanks I'll check this out around Birmingham do you no why there are being moved.

To be converted to TSOs for FGW

route:oxford · 19 Dec 2011

Shame there weren't any HST power cars going to Kilmarnock for work too - would it have made one of the longest HST "sets" ever?

Even so... How often would you "normally" get 12 Mk3s together on the network (assuming the barrier cars aren't Mk3s)?

campainr · 19 Dec 2011

route:oxford said:
Shame there weren't any HST power cars going to Kilmarnock for work too - would it have made one of the longest HST "sets" ever?

Even so... How often would you "normally" get 12 Mk3s together on the network (assuming the barrier cars aren't Mk3s)?

WCML Sleepers. Euston-Glasgow/Edinburgh leaves Euston as 12 Mk 3s and 4 Mk 2s

EDIT: Though Mk 3s are separated from each other by Mk 2s so yeah I guess you're right. :oops:

50028 · 19 Dec 2011

route:oxford said:
Shame there weren't any HST power cars going to Kilmarnock for work too - would it have made one of the longest HST "sets" ever?

Even so... How often would you "normally" get 12 Mk3s together on the network (assuming the barrier cars aren't Mk3s)?

The two 47s are in mulitple and should stay so for the entire movement. The barriers will be returning to St.Philips Marsh and then the 47s will most likely head for Rugby or Washwood Heath.

The barriers are required because HST coaches are not fitted with screw couplings. 6330 had to come to St.Philips Marsh on a lorry as FGW were incapable of moving it their themselves.

6330 is a MK2, 6348 a MK1

tnxrail · 19 Dec 2011

As said above had both 47's at front when stopped at Birmingham International and left pretty much on time to. Link Below:
http://youtu.be/HXSfc_D0wSw

Darandio · 19 Dec 2011

I caught it at Oxford. Well, sort of. :lol:

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crewmeal · 19 Dec 2011

This may be a silly question. With all the departure of those buffet cars is there catering on FGW services? Has it been relegated to trollies stowed in the guard's van?

Jdrowlands · 19 Dec 2011

crewmeal said:
This may be a silly question. With all the departure of those buffet cars is there catering on FGW services? Has it been relegated to trollies stowed in the guard's van?

They're all unused ones going for refurbishment... some are faded and have not been used in a long while - there are some in the old livery and some in the new one!

Consist...

Code:

   47739 COLO A
   47749 COLO A
     6330 E GSA
    40731 E GKA
    40709 E GKA
    40738 E GKA
    40736 E GKA
    40725 E GKA
    40208 E GNA
    40209 E GNA
    40744 E GKA
    40726 E GKA
    40747 E GKA
    40717 E GKA
    40228 E GNA
     6348 E GSA

theblackwatch · 19 Dec 2011

crewmeal said:
This may be a silly question. With all the departure of those buffet cars is there catering on FGW services? Has it been relegated to trollies stowed in the guard's van?

These coaches became surplus a couple of years ago when around 18 of FGW's HSTs were reduced from 8 to 7 cars, these vehicles being removed from the sets. To provide catering in these rakes, each set had a TS vehicle converted to a micro-buffet. It is somewhat amusing that the same vehicles that were removed from these sets are being rebuilt to be put back into them!

Schnellzug · 19 Dec 2011

tnxrail said:
As said above had both 47's at front when stopped at Birmingham International and left pretty much on time to. Link Below:
http://youtu.be/HXSfc_D0wSw

Why did they need two locos at all, since only one seemed to be running. That must have been a pretty hefty load for one loco, 14 + a second loco.

50028 · 21 Dec 2011

Schnellzug said:
Why did they need two locos at all, since only one seemed to be running. That must have been a pretty hefty load for one loco, 14 + a second loco.

Two locos were required as for a single loco this was quite a load and therefore quite a risk, with special regards to TDA and the like. For the Carlisle trips one loco was shut down to conserve fuel, as like you say, the load was now sufficient for one. The second loco is still along for security......unless its failed and I've not been told

!
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
Timings for the retun of the two barriers to Bristol SPM

5Z25 22/12
Carlisle 11.00
Oxenholme 12.02
Lancaster 12.30
Preston 12.51
Crewe 14.08/14.12
Bescot 15.27
Coventry 16.37
Oxford 17.54/18.04
Swindon 19.10
Bath Spa 19.41
Bristol Temple Meads 19.55/20.23
Bristol SPM 20.42

Furrball · 21 Dec 2011

From the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9txPYGHhMkw#! there appears to be no headlight - I always thought this was a no-no?

ainsworth74 · 22 Dec 2011

I can definitely see a headlight (one small one in the centre of the leading 47) and a tail light as well.

Furrball · 22 Dec 2011

ainsworth74 said:
I can definitely see a headlight (one small one in the centre of the leading 47) and a tail light as well.

That is a marker light, not the Hi-Intensity light that I thought was a requirement.

TGVDUDE · 22 Dec 2011

Schnellzug said:
Why did they need two locos at all, since only one seemed to be running. That must have been a pretty hefty load for one loco, 14 + a second loco.

Also the St Phillips Marsh - Eastleigh move was top-n-tailed in order to depart Bristol, so two loco's were needed

YorkshireBear · 22 Dec 2011

was it split? http://www.railwayherald.co.uk/imaging.centre/showimage.php?image=216547&gallery=X1 This photo shows 6 carriges not the twelve that it set off with.

TGVDUDE · 22 Dec 2011

This picture doesn't show the whole train

jopsuk · 22 Dec 2011

jimmyowl1992 said:
was it split? http://www.railwayherald.co.uk/imaging.centre/showimage.php?image=216547&gallery=X1 This photo shows 6 carriges not the twelve that it set off with.

I think you need to get to be earlier... the track curves away out of sight behind the platform shelter. The rearmost visible carriage is one of the pink doored mrk3s, not a barrier, and you can't see the rear door!

OxtedL · 22 Dec 2011

Those of you who read the first post will have observed that the train was being split into two to go from Carlisle to Kilmarnock. Hence 6 carriages.

YorkshireBear · 22 Dec 2011

jopsuk said:
I think you need to get to be earlier... the track curves away out of sight behind the platform shelter. The rearmost visible carriage is one of the pink doored mrk3s, not a barrier, and you can't see the rear door!

I was basing that on the fact that the photographer who uploaded image knew the difference between 6 and 12 as it is in his description.

OxtedL said:
Those of you who read the first post will have observed that the train was being split into two to go from Carlisle to Kilmarnock. Hence 6 carriages.

Oh yeah.... so i do need to get to bed earlier but for different reasons.

jopsuk · 22 Dec 2011

jimmyowl1992 said:
I was basing that on the fact that the photographer who uploaded image knew the difference between 6 and 12 as it is in his description.

I need to get up later, I missed that!

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