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i think virgin should get the new west coast franchise

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They love putting 'Being prepared' up on the boards until the last possible moment. What are they preparing exactly? And why does it take them so long?

Well, I've certainly never seen a dirty Virgin train on departure from Euston! (In contrast to a certain other TOC that goes across the country and is centred around Birmingham. :roll:)
 
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Well, I've certainly never seen a dirty Virgin train on departure from Euston! (In contrast to a certain other TOC that goes across the country and is centred around Birmingham. :roll:)

Well I wouldn't expect to see a dirty train leave the station it starts at. I take it you are referring to XC here so all I can say to that is XC trains are cleaned at terminal stations too.
 

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Well, I've certainly never seen a dirty Virgin train on departure from Euston! (In contrast to a certain other TOC that goes across the country and is centred around Birmingham. :roll:)



I don't know, I've never seen a dirty XC service leave Euston.
 

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Just because a TOC does well and is well liked by by passengers and staff does not automatically mean it will retain it's franchise - look at GB Railways with their Anglia Railways franchise, won awards but lost to National Express who because of their Central Trains franchise had a reputation for poor service.

Therefore I don't think Virgin will automatically retain the ICWC franchise and there's a fair chance that another operator may win it.
 

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Just because a TOC does well and is well liked by by passengers and staff does not automatically mean it will retain it's franchise - look at GB Railways with their Anglia Railways franchise, won awards but lost to National Express who because of their Central Trains franchise had a reputation for poor service.

Therefore I don't think Virgin will automatically retain the ICWC franchise and there's a fair chance that another operator may win it.

No, that's the thing, isn't it, it's all based on what, like politicians, they promise for a brighter tomorrow. But what can you expect when it's politicians who make the decisions, and this, of course, is the way they always hope we'll think; never mind what we may have done in the past, look! This is what we promise we'll do in the future!

i think, if anyone was to ask me, the only way to make it more rational - i.e. based on past peformance, rather than empty promises, is to take it out of the hands of the career politicians and perhaps give it to some apolitical body to decide; but who could that be, since any such would be appointed by the Government. Nevertheless, I feel that this is what should be done, if we are to see that brighter tomorrow.
 

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i think, if anyone was to ask me, the only way to make it more rational - i.e. based on past peformance, rather than empty promises, is to take it out of the hands of the career politicians and perhaps give it to some apolitical body to decide;

But that wouldn't be fair to, say, Abellio.

Abellio have no experience of providing inter-city services in Great Britain, on our very British infrastructure and fitting into our very British way of doing things!

How would you judge their past performance?

Perhaps the franchise could only be given to any party who has experience in running intercity services on the WCML. ;) (I jest!)
 

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you have a perfectly reasonable point. Perhaps I should say, incumbent operators who want a franchise renewed, or ones with a known track record with other franchises, should be judged on those points. It would have to be based mainly on promises and financial stablity and backup with new entrants. Any new entrant to the market would have to be 9and would be making) a bit of a gamble, but you'd have to judge each one on its own merits, I suppose.
 

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They love putting 'Being prepared' up on the boards until the last possible moment. What are they preparing exactly? And why does it take them so long?
It would be interesting to see what influence Network Rail have on this as it's their staff which control the boards and station.
 

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Well I wouldn't expect to see a dirty train leave the station it starts at. I take it you are referring to XC here so all I can say to that is XC trains are cleaned at terminal stations too.

But considering XC operate some extremely (!) long distance services, it is not very impressive that the trains are only cleaned at terminal stations. Frequently I have been on Voyagers departing Birmingham New Street where litter was all over the floor (I never experience this with Virgin). CrossCountry should give the trains a quick clean (i.e. pick up all the litter) whilst they are waiting at Birmingham New Street.

Of course, I rarely used XC when Virgin ran the franchise, so am unable to comment on how clean the trains were back then!
 

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They love putting 'Being prepared' up on the boards until the last possible moment. What are they preparing exactly? And why does it take them so long?

A very good point, especially as most inbound services to Euston appear to carry on board cleaning staff, who if doing their job properly, should have done most but not all the train cleaning before arrival at EUS.

I suspect that just like the budget airlines, turnaround times are hopelessly tight with no slack allowed for late running or cascading sets when a defect is found that can't be rectified before departure.
 

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I am in the same position as F-Manc.

Currently a casual CSA for Virgin. They just call me every week and offer me hours for the weekend, not sure how long the job will last, I am hoping to work for Virgin permanently, but at the moment they are only throwing out fixed term contracts so I am pretty much stuck for a year until the franchise is sorted.
 

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Problem with xc there trains are too small 3 years ago I came back from bournemouth to stafford on a 4 coach voyager from southampton onwards it was standing room only and train manager said that before they started the franchise that they put some of there staff on the virgin trains to see how many people get on he was talking absolute rubbish. Also going back to the days before voyagers I travelled back from brockenhurst to stafford on a 9 coach loco hauled train and that was absolutely packed there has been no inprovement really. I don't know why xc xc can't use them 7 .coach hst sets from manchester to bournemouth
 

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Hopefully Virgin put more effort into services up to Edinburgh if they retain the franchise. It's be nice to see Virgin services to there from Manchester rather than just Preston. As much as I love TPE I don't think their trains are right for running such a long distance journey.
 

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Yep, shall we just magic up some stock for them to use on it?
 

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Or they could just go from Manchester instead of Preston but still call at Preston?

Trains to glasgow and edinburgh from virgin come from birmingham or london. So you cant divert either to start at birmingham. What you need is more some 110mph class 350s to run the service once it is electrified. ;)
 

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Going back to the proposed extra liverpool lime st trains I don't know why they can't miss runcorn out on some of the runs and replace with nuneaton tamworth its used by less people than stafford nuneaton and tamworth
 

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Going back to the proposed extra liverpool lime st trains I don't know why they can't miss runcorn out on some of the runs and replace with nuneaton tamworth its used by less people than stafford nuneaton and tamworth

Runcorn currently has no stopper/commuter services on the route towards Lime Street. It relies solely on Virgin & London Midland long distance services to provide this service.

I'd like to see a stopper service from Crewe into Lime Street, opening a couple of stations between Mossley Hill & Edge Hill. This'd make Runcorn not as important for long distance services, although I'm sure people accustomed to the fast services into Lime Street would be annoyed at having to use a stopper service, as well as having to change at places like Crewe for long distance services.

As for there being no interest in providing a second service, I'm sure Virgin have always said they're not hostile to the idea. It was the Strategic Rail Authority who decided to cap services on the route, for whatever reason - capacity reasons probably. If that's a valid reason, then they should upgrade the infrastructure to cope with an adequate number of trains. That's what they'd do in the 'in' cities.
 

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So in your view the demand from Liverpool is sufficient to warrant two trains an hour?

What would this be at the expense of?
 

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Well the trains needed to operate the extra trains will have to come from somewhere. And theres no spare trains lying around so they will have to come off other services
 

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Then we get back to the whole 'investing in infrastructure' thing I mentioned in #144.
 

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Would that investment be recouped on the Liverpool route? I'm not entirely sure.

There won't be any additional Pendolino trains ordered - although some are being extended, as we know.
 

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So in your view the demand from Liverpool is sufficient to warrant two trains an hour?

What would this be at the expense of?

If there are spare paths and spare stock then I think a second Liverpool service would be better than giving them to Open Access services to Barrow etc.

However, as there aren't currently spare paths/ stock then its all hypothetical.
 
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