Class 175s to GWR

[brad465]

Nice to see two moving at once from Wolverton.

 

[XCTurbostar]

Both re-liveried?

 

[Cach17]

Both re-liveried?

Into a livery that'll almost certainly be obsolete by 2028!

 

[Deepgreen]

Into a livery that'll almost certainly be obsolete by 2028!

Exactly! What a wasted opportunity to go for GBR (much though I dislike the livery). Short-termism rules supreme.

 

[TastyMaltesers]

Exactly! What a wasted opportunity to go for GBR (much though I dislike the livery). Short-termism rules supreme.

GBR probably want the brand associated with functioning trains, rather than the 175s which have been ever so woeful this year!

 

[3141]

Into a livery that'll almost certainly be obsolete by 2028!

Exactly! What a wasted opportunity to go for GBR (much though I dislike the livery). Short-termism rules supreme.

An obsolete livery won't make any difference to how well the train operates, but it will make it look better than the GBR splodge.

It won't be short termism unless somebody decides to waste money repainting everything before their existing liveries need it.

 

[XFeed]

My question is; is the considered opinion that if the 175s had not gone to storage as they did but transferred directly from their previous operator to GWR, would these problems have been avoided/greatly reduced? I am trying to form an unbiased view of the effect of storage on modern rolling stock, given that stock is so much more complex/delicate than a few decades ago.

I believe that if the 175s were transferred directly to GWR as soon as they were available and not stored I`m sure that GWR would have achieved TfWs performance and availability figures pretty quickly.

 

[Purple Train]

They look really smart.

 

[XFeed]

Train running 28 late. The signallers even allowed a late running freight train go ahead of it at Foxhall Junction.

Into Swindon loop but let straight out. The late running trains will never catch it before it leaves the main line. Only 4 late.

They have made up some serious time 78 mins early at Exeter

 

[BillStampy]

They have made up some serious time 78 mins early at Exeter

Skipped Taunton and Tiverton loops so they're just going straight for Laira.
Hopefully, if I remember correctly, these won't require too much work to get them into service. Presumably just the 1000 miles requirement.

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175114 has seemingly completed it's fault free running, just been allocated to 2C32 from Plymouth.

 

[XFeed]

Skipped Taunton and Tiverton loops so they're just going straight for Laira.
Hopefully, if I remember correctly, these won't require too much work to get them into service. Presumably just the 1000 miles requirement.

Looking promising, hopefully. Fingers crossed.

 

[Deepgreen]

An obsolete livery won't make any difference to how well the train operates, but it will make it look better than the GBR splodge.

It won't be short termism unless somebody decides to waste money repainting everything before their existing liveries need it.

I would have thought that any stock being repainted anyway now should be into the GBR livery, despite the fact that I much prefer the GWR one. This begs the question of how much other stock is destined to be repainted as a matter of course in existing TOCs' liveries, rather than the GBR one, and thus how long each TOC might only have one 'show' train in the new livery.

 

[REVUpminster]

Skipped Taunton and Tiverton loops so they're just going straight for Laira.
Hopefully, if I remember correctly, these won't require too much work to get them into service. Presumably just the 1000 miles requirement.

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175114 has seemingly completed it's fault free running, just been allocated to 2C32 from Plymouth.

I've seen them at Dawlish and pictures of them front and back at Melksham. They are supposed to be ready to run; so I wonder where they will go first. They are quick trains when given the chance.

 

[The exile]

I would have thought that any stock being repainted anyway now should be into the GBR livery, despite the fact that I much prefer the GWR one. This begs the question of how much other stock is destined to be repainted as a matter of course in existing TOCs' liveries, rather than the GBR one, and thus how long each TOC might only have one 'show' train in the new livery.

That of course assumes that there is a finalised version of a GBR livery. If there isn’t, then GW green is as good as any.

 

[Jrocks]

175114 has seemingly completed it's fault free running, just been allocated to 2C32 from Plymouth.

Indeed it has, and rather than have it sat doing nothing on Laira, why not bring it out to play! Gets people moving rather than cancelling the service.

There are a fair few now that have passed their 1000 miles which isnt too shabby, getting to a point where we can once again use them on adhoc services.

 

[Goldfish62]

I would have thought that any stock being repainted anyway now should be into the GBR livery, despite the fact that I much prefer the GWR one. This begs the question of how much other stock is destined to be repainted as a matter of course in existing TOCs' liveries, rather than the GBR one, and thus how long each TOC might only have one 'show' train in the new livery.

This was I think discussed much earlier in this thread and has certainly been discussed elsewhere. Basically the contract for the refurbishment was let well before plans for a GBR livery.

 

[BillStampy]

Indeed it has, and rather than have it sat doing nothing on Laira, why not bring it out to play! Gets people moving rather than cancelling the service.

There are a fair few now that have passed their 1000 miles which isnt too shabby, getting to a point where we can once again use them on adhoc services.

Good things take time, it's great to watch the impressive efforts to get the units working again, don't rush it!

 

[REVUpminster]

Updated Bill Stampys list

175001 Laira (Wolverton arrival: April 3, 2025, Wolverton Departure: November 5, 2025)
175002 Laira (Straight from Ely, no Wolverton) 27 November 2024
175003 Laira (Wolverton arrival: March 3, 2025, Wolverton Departure: September 18, 2025)
175004 Exeter TMD (Wolverton Arrival: January 30, 2026) (Wolverton Departure: June 23rd, 2026)
175005 Wolverton (Wolverton Arrival: July 1st, 2026) by road
175006 Laira (Wolverton arrival: April 23, 2025, Wolverton Departure: December 10, 2025)
175007 Laira (Straight from Ely, no Wolverton) 28 February 2025
175008 Laira half by road, Ely Half. Dates unknown
175009 Laira (Straight from Ely, no Wolverton) 27 January 2025
175010 Penzance T.R.S.M.D. (Straight from Ely, no Wolverton) 13 January 2026 post 2085
175011 Laira (Wolverton arrival: April 23, 2025, Wolverton Departure: December 10, 2025)
175101 Laira (Wolverton Arrival: July 10, 2025, Wolverton Departure: January 23 2026)
175102 Wolverton (Wolverton arrival: October 30, 2025)
175103 Laira (Wolverton arrival: March 27, 2026 Wolverton Departure: October 1, 2026) Green
175104 Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings
175105 Wolverton (Wolverton Arrival: March 27, 2026)
175106 Wolverton (Wolverton Arrival: July 24, 2025)
175107 Wolverton (Wolverton Arrival: March 19, 2025)
175108 Wolverton (Wolverton Arrival: March 19, 2025)
175109 Wolverton (Wolverton Arrival: April 16, 2026)
175110 Laira (Wolverton Arrival: January 30, 2026 Wolverton Departure October 1, 2026) Green
175111 Laira (Wolverton Arrival: October 9, 2025, Wolverton Departure: March 20, 2026)
175112 Laira (Wolverton Arrival: July 24, 2025, Wolverton departure: February 20, 2026)
175113 Laira (Wolverton Arrival: July 10, 2025, Wolverton departure: May 15, 2026)
175114 Laira (Straight from Ely, no Wolverton) 5 December 2024
175115 Laira (Wolverton Arrival: October 9, 2025, Wolverton departure: April 13, 2026)
175116 Laira (Wolverton Arrival: October 30, 2025, Wolverton departure: May 28, 2026)

I've copy pasted and added in bold. Created by BillStampy

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Today 175110+103

They can really move

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Looks like 006 not completing it's last trip and has gone into Laira. It has just appeared on opentrains but not updating realtrains. It is now 16 late.

 

[XFeed]

Indeed it has, and rather than have it sat doing nothing on Laira, why not bring it out to play! Gets people moving rather than cancelling the service.

There are a fair few now that have passed their 1000 miles which isnt too shabby, getting to a point where we can once again use them on adhoc services.

I totally agree

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That of course assumes that there is a finalised version of a GBR livery. If there isn’t, then GW green is as good as any.

Good point and it reminds me that back in the day when ATW were choosing the livery for 175s and produced 2 "Ghost" liveries on 008 and 110 before settling on the Arriva style of the time.
I have to say I didn`t like the Ghost livery but others did.

 

[CR165022]

Will say, does look a bit odd that everything is freshly painted except the solebar which is still in faded TfW grey.

 

[XFeed]

Will say, does look a bit odd that everything is freshly painted except the solebar which is still in faded TfW grey.

Agreed and I was just about to post something similar. It has always disappointed me that when 175s have been repainted the side skirts have let them down by looking shabby.
In a station environment you hardly notice but you do almost everywhere else I feel.

Below sole bar side skirts have remained the same colour throughout the life of 175s

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Do we know if any or both of todays units have had any interior refresh in GWR schemes which I think was suggested a long time back ?

 

[CR165022]

Do we know if any or both of todays units have had any interior refresh in GWR schemes which I think was suggested a long time back ?

Certainly looks like it from one of the videos

 

[XFeed]

Certainly looks like it from one of the videos

It does, doesn't it