Off peak NR ticket before 0930 from TfL station/service

[zedm]

Starting a northbound journey on Chiltern from South Ruislip, the first off peak journey of the day is stated on journey planners as departing SRU at 0923 using the Central line to connect with the 0932 Chiltern service at West Ruislip towards High Wycombe.

I know that travelling between West/South Ruislip on the Central line isn't usually an issue when using a national rail ticket, but is it likely that I'd have an issue using the ticket before TfL's off peak starts? I assume the automatic barriers may well reject the ticket for this reason but if staff insisted on not accepting the ticket until 0930, having to wait an hour at West Ruislip would be inconvenient to say the least.

Thanks for any advice.

 

[Watershed]

Starting a northbound journey on Chiltern from South Ruislip, the first off peak journey of the day is stated on journey planners as departing SRU at 0923 using the Central line to connect with the 0932 Chiltern service at West Ruislip towards High Wycombe.

I know that travelling between West/South Ruislip on the Central line isn't usually an issue when using a national rail ticket, but is it likely that I'd have an issue using the ticket before TfL's off peak starts? I assume the automatic barriers may well reject the ticket for this reason but if staff insisted on not accepting the ticket until 0930, having to wait an hour at West Ruislip would be inconvenient to say the least.

Thanks for any advice.

What is your destination and what ticket (price would be helpful) are you looking at buying?

The restrictions that apply depend on your ticket (hence the above questions). Trains are not blanket peak or off-peak.

 

[zedm]

It's South Ruislip to High Wycombe, £7.80 Off Peak Day single.

The ticket details do say it's not valid on trains departing before 0930 but booking websites do list the ticket as valid for this journey (I assume it doesn't view the tube as a 'train', correct in theory I guess but not sure staff would view the same way).

Thanks

 

[MrJeeves]

I assume it doesn't view the tube as a 'train'

This is the case, yes.

The tube services between West Ruislip and South Ruislip are encoded as fixed links in the data, which means there is no timetable for these services and they are instead fixed travel times for what are expected to be frequent services.

These cannot convey time restrictions, and therefore you can use these for travel regardless of any time restriction on your ticket. I think it is unlikely anyone would question your use of such a ticket, and you are contractually entitled (via your consumer rights, regardless of any argument of whether the NRCoT provisions apply to the TfL service) to use it when issued along with an itinerary.

If the industry wishes to prevent these tickets being valid, the trains need to be in the railway timetable instead, which I'm sure they won't do!

I can't tell you whether the gates would accept or reject such a ticket, though.

 

[zedm]

This is the case, yes.

The tube services between West Ruislip and South Ruislip are encoded as fixed links in the data, which means there is no timetable for these services and they are instead fixed travel times for what are expected to be frequent services.

These cannot convey time restrictions, and therefore you can use these for travel regardless of any time restriction on your ticket. I think it is unlikely anyone would question your use of such a ticket, and you are contractually entitled (via your consumer rights, regardless of any argument of whether the NRCoT provisions apply to the TfL service) to use it when issued along with an itinerary.

If the industry wishes to prevent these tickets being valid, the trains need to be in the railway timetable instead, which I'm sure they won't do!

I can't tell you whether the gates would accept or reject such a ticket, though.

Thanks, that's very handy to know.

Thinking about it the NR ticket machine is located past the gate so it's necessary to be let through to collect tickets, so assuming that hasn't changed recently there shouldn't be a need to try the ticket in the gates. Just didn't want any aggro in case the ticket was checked along the way.