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Travel Irregularity Report - First Time

Starguild

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Hello, I had tried to buy tickets to Guildford earlier and saw the network railcard option, I was going to buy but I closed it when it was asking for a picture. The price shown for return trip from Waterloo to Guildford was £18 and when I saw £13, I just assumed it was off peak. Now when the officer stopped me, I genuinely did not have the ticket and I was shocked when he said railcard, I told him I don’t have it. He said my actual Tfare and I thought why was he lying. (I have checked the exact time for the same trip tomorrow) and it’s still showing £18+. He saw my Trainline history and asked if I’ve ever used any before, I told him 18-30 and when it expired, I didn’t get another one. I was tensed so I said the rail card expired later than I meant and it just felt like he could have asked me to pay the fare difference but he didn’t. I have always paid the right fee but I’m just worried about the prosecution and the admin fees because I didn’t know. I tried contacting Trainline about the railcard being added but their answer was that they rely on their customers verifying their info which is fair. I’m also moving out of my current address this weekend and I’d like to know what to expect.

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Hello, I had tried to buy tickets to Guildford earlier and saw the network railcard option, I was going to buy but I closed it when it was asking for a picture. The price shown for return trip from Waterloo to Guildford was £18 and when I saw £13, I just assumed it was off peak. Now when the officer stopped me, I genuinely did not have the ticket and I was shocked when he said railcard, I told him I don’t have it. He said my actual Tfare and I thought why was he lying. (I have checked the exact time for the same trip tomorrow) and it’s still showing £18+. He saw my Trainline history and asked if I’ve ever used any before, I told him 18-30 and when it expired, I didn’t get another one. I was tensed so I said the rail card expired later than I meant and it just felt like he could have asked me to pay the fare difference but he didn’t. I have always paid the right fee but I’m just worried about the prosecution and the admin fees because I didn’t know. I tried contacting Trainline about the railcard being added but their answer was that they rely on their customers verifying their info which is fair. I’m also moving out of my current address this weekend and I’d like to know what to expect.
The reason was Discount not entitled (No railcard)
 
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FenMan

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To cut a long story short, it seems you purchased a railcard-discounted ticket but do not hold a railcard. Is this correct?

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Starguild

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To cut a long story short, it seems you purchased a railcard-discounted ticket but do not hold a railcard. Is this correct?

Your answer to this question will help you to receive the best advice from the experts who post in this forum.
Hello. Yes.
 

WesternLancer

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Hello, I had tried to buy tickets to Guildford earlier and saw the network railcard option, I was going to buy but I closed it when it was asking for a picture. The price shown for return trip from Waterloo to Guildford was £18 and when I saw £13, I just assumed it was off peak. Now when the officer stopped me, I genuinely did not have the ticket and I was shocked when he said railcard, I told him I don’t have it. He said my actual Tfare and I thought why was he lying. (I have checked the exact time for the same trip tomorrow) and it’s still showing £18+. He saw my Trainline history and asked if I’ve ever used any before, I told him 18-30 and when it expired, I didn’t get another one. I was tensed so I said the rail card expired later than I meant and it just felt like he could have asked me to pay the fare difference but he didn’t. I have always paid the right fee but I’m just worried about the prosecution and the admin fees because I didn’t know. I tried contacting Trainline about the railcard being added but their answer was that they rely on their customers verifying their info which is fair. I’m also moving out of my current address this weekend and I’d like to know what to expect.

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The reason was Discount not entitled (No railcard)
Welcome.
When did this happen? Today?

If you are moving this weekend then you need to make arrangements to get your post in hard copy for at least the next six to seven months.
Probably via a Royal Mail redirection (see Royal Mail website) unless a trusted person remains at the address.

This is vital as otherwise matters will automatically escalate to court prosecution if letters they will send in due course are not appropriately responded to.
 

Starguild

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The officer said my Tfare should be £70+ but Trainline says £18+ without railcard. I bought the return ticket for £13. Sorry the story is a bit all over the place.

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Welcome.
When did this happen? Today?

If you are moving this weekend then you need to make arrangements to get your post in hard copy for at least the next six to seven months.
Probably via a Royal Mail redirection (see Royal Mail website) unless a trusted person remains at the address.

This is vital as otherwise matters will automatically escalate to court prosecution if letters they will send in due course are not appropriately responded to.
Yes, this happened today. I requested for the letter to be sent by email but I’ll still check the Royal Mail website.
 

WesternLancer

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The officer said my Tfare should be £70+ but Trainline says £18+ without railcard. I bought the return ticket for £13. Sorry the story is a bit all over the place.

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Yes, this happened today. I requested for the letter to be sent by email but I’ll still check the Royal Mail website.
An Anytime single fare from Guildford to Waterloo is £17.70 I believe.

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The officer said my Tfare should be £70+ but Trainline says £18+ without railcard. I bought the return ticket for £13. Sorry the story is a bit all over the place.

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Yes, this happened today. I requested for the letter to be sent by email but I’ll still check the Royal Mail website.
It may be some weeks or months before they get round to contacting you. It’s vital you receive and respond to that with advice from here.

It may be sent hard copy or by email mail so also check spam.
You can’t necessarily rely on them e mailing you just because that is what you asked them to do unfortunately.

They will check your on line ticket buying records for other occasions when tickets have been bought with a railcard discount and may ask you about that. They will likely want payment for full priced tickets unless you can prove to them you did own a valid railcard at the time of travel.
 
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Starguild

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I hardly travel outside London and all fares were fully paid for. Unfortunately, I didn’t have a valid railcard so I guess it’s full priced tickets. Thank you for your help.
 

Mcr Warrior

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The price shown for return trip from Waterloo to Guildford was £18 and when I saw £13, I just assumed it was off peak.
If actually £18.10, it was possibly an Evening Out return from London Terminals to Guildford (route Clandon/Woking). With a railcard discount inappropriately applied, think it's then £12.05. (Not sure how it's £13, is that possibly a typo or rounding up)?
 

Mcr Warrior

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Will administrative fees be included?
If this actually was an unfortunate one-off incident, reckon you'll likely get asked to pay your fare at the Anytime Day Single rate (= £17.70 undiscounted) or maybe at the Evening Single fare (= £17.00) plus a low three figure administrative and investigation fee of maybe £100.00 or so added on top. Does sometimes vary. Unlikely you'll get any credit for the inappropriately discounted ticket that was bought on the day. It's not normally just a matter of just paying the difference.
 

Starguild

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If this actually was a one-off incident, reckon you'll likely get asked to pay your fare at the Anytime Day Single rate (= £17.70 undiscounted) or maybe the Evening Single fare (= £17.00) plus a low three figure administrative and investigation fee of maybe £100.00 or so. Does sometimes vary. Unlikely you'll get any credit for the inappropriately discounted ticket that was bought on the day. It's not normally just a matter of just paying the difference.
Okay. Thank you.
 

WesternLancer

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The railcard is Network Railcard. Do you have any idea how much the minimum fare is?
Just so you are clear - they are not going to be charging you anything to do with the Network Rail card fare / it's minimum fare or the difference between what you paid and what you should have paid
They will almost certainly seek to get you to pay the Full Anytime Single Fare for the journey and and 'admin' fee of maybe around £150 for investigating all this - anything lower you can consider a piece of good news.

So you can understand the process that will happen this general advice often given here will help you understand what will happen, why, and what you will need to do - hope it helps:



You committed a criminal offence by travelling with an invalid ticket (even if you did this unintentionally) and railway companies are entitled to prosecute you in the Magistrates Court if they want to. The good news is they will normally offer an out of court settlement to people who co-operate with them and who haven't come to their attention before.

Next, what happens is the railway company will write to you. The letter will go to the address that you gave them / on any of your ID they checked so you need to be able to access hard copy post at that address as they often send things that way (but also check e-mail and spam). It is extremely important that you reply, and you'll only have a limited time to do so (often 14 days from the date on their communication).

When you receive the letter post a redacted copy of it in this thread, along with your draft reply and forum members will proof read it for you. You'll find lots of example letters you can use in this section of the forum but the reply basically needs to mention:

- That you are sorry for what has happened
- What you have learned from the incident and will not do this again
- That you are keen to settle the matter without the need for court action
- Offer to pay the outstanding fare and the railway company’s administrative costs in dealing with the matter


The railway will probably offer you an out of court settlement. Expect to have to pay the cost of the fare for the journey you made at the full Anytime rate with no credit given for the invalid ticket you purchased. In addition they will charge an admin fee, typically £150. They will also audit your online ticket purchase history and if this shows you've purchased other tickets that were not valid (eg railcard discounted tickets when you did not have a valid railcard, or tickets for only part of the journey, or tickets bought after boarding the train you travelled on) they will probably factor the cost of these journeys into the settlement offer. Depending on how many journeys you've made over the period concerned this could end up being expensive.

Settlements usually have to be paid in full within a few days of them being offered so if money is tight you might want to think about how you will raise the sum required at short notice.
 

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