IanPooleTrains
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If you did, keep it away from here to avoid WW3 on here!
I have everything ready for it, my fingers are my ammunition, my mouth is the pipebomb that it all comes out of
Besides, i can debate after I watch Torchwood!
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A Matter of Morals
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I have everything ready for it, my fingers are my ammunition, my mouth is the pipebomb that it all comes out of
Besides, i can debate after I watch Torchwood!
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Butts
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IanPooleTrains
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Forget that garbage Corrie on ITV
Rubbish, Corrie is garbage about people feeding t'whippets
WestCoast
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ooh whippets! Perhaps a picture involving a whippet and a train may go down better...
ooh whippets! Perhaps a picture involving a whippet and a train may go down better...
Hmm, a suggestive whippet in a kilt may stir up a frenzy.
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MidnightFlyer
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Can we please get back on topic? I for one don't want this to be locked this soon...
Minilad
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I'm not sure I can remember what on topic is for this thread !
90019
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I'll have a shot.
This I agree with, and in a way I think it applies to me. (Though I can't express it how I'd like to, for various reasons
)This, times eleventy.
That's what riled me about Blackettstreet's opinions and attitude in this thread, really.
I find it curious that Christianity goes on about being open and forgiving, yet will happily discriminate against certain people at the same time.
Butts
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Minilad
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If you think this thread is bad then you would love a thread currently running on a Villa message board called VillaTalk
It started off with someone posting a link to a news report in the Scottish Sun about a brother and sister who were caught having sex in the lift at Motherwell station.
Included in the report were pictures of the two. It must be said that both of them had fallen from the highest branches of the ugly tree.
Unfortunately there are some wicked twisted minds on that forum and soon enough one of them had created a fake profile on a dating website using the females picture. Lets just say it was made quite obvious in the profile that this person wanted to meet for a sexual liaison. As the messages started pouring in things started getting out of control and pictures of the guys responding were posted along with the messages.
While being morally wrong it was unbelievably funny.
I dread to think what the reaction would have been on here to this thread.
PS One of the respondents worked on the railway and suggested meeting at Tyseley as he knew of some old coaches they could use !!!!
It started off with someone posting a link to a news report in the Scottish Sun about a brother and sister who were caught having sex in the lift at Motherwell station.
Included in the report were pictures of the two. It must be said that both of them had fallen from the highest branches of the ugly tree.
Unfortunately there are some wicked twisted minds on that forum and soon enough one of them had created a fake profile on a dating website using the females picture. Lets just say it was made quite obvious in the profile that this person wanted to meet for a sexual liaison. As the messages started pouring in things started getting out of control and pictures of the guys responding were posted along with the messages.
While being morally wrong it was unbelievably funny.
I dread to think what the reaction would have been on here to this thread.
PS One of the respondents worked on the railway and suggested meeting at Tyseley as he knew of some old coaches they could use !!!!
newbie babs
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slightly going off the topic (naughty me)
Have a look at Celebrity Juice on ITV2 and see Holly in pigtails....... puts the photo discussion in the shade
Have a look at Celebrity Juice on ITV2 and see Holly in pigtails....... puts the photo discussion in the shade
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Brother and Sister - must be from Bordesley Green
Must be from the Celtic Park area you mean!
Donny Dave
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Ok, I'm poking a bit of fun now, but for those who object to the photo, would you prefer women to dress like in this video?
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wensley
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Good for everyone feeling they are free to air their opinions here...it is a truly interesting discussion and everyone should be able to have their stance on the matter 
Personally, I don't see a problem with the photo, said staff are clearly happy enough to pose for photos and I'm sure that had their been sufficient objection to the uniform within the (female) workforce some changes would have been made. As for using it to win the POTW, it fits the category doesn't it?!
Personally, I don't see a problem with the photo, said staff are clearly happy enough to pose for photos and I'm sure that had their been sufficient objection to the uniform within the (female) workforce some changes would have been made. As for using it to win the POTW, it fits the category doesn't it?!
So in the quest for sexual equality, women shouldn't be able to look sexy. In the interests of sexual equality, men have to be offended on womens's behalf when they choose to show their body.
Maybe in the interests of sexual equality and morals, you'll now pick a thread about religious robes, covering varying people in religion.
I choose what I wear, you choose what you wear. If these women (and I haven't seen the image) want to dress down and pose, then let them! Isn't it more oppressive for other people to decide it's evil.
To the starter of this thread, your name evades me, sorry (I'm at Moor St trying to figure out if the spraypainted white lines along p2 have always been there) try to remember. As much as your morals are good, and I praise you on having that stance instead of objectifying all women as sexual objects and trying to see the good that should be, remember to be light hearted when it counts and remember that people are free to choose. One way or another.
Maybe in the interests of sexual equality and morals, you'll now pick a thread about religious robes, covering varying people in religion.
I choose what I wear, you choose what you wear. If these women (and I haven't seen the image) want to dress down and pose, then let them! Isn't it more oppressive for other people to decide it's evil.
To the starter of this thread, your name evades me, sorry (I'm at Moor St trying to figure out if the spraypainted white lines along p2 have always been there) try to remember. As much as your morals are good, and I praise you on having that stance instead of objectifying all women as sexual objects and trying to see the good that should be, remember to be light hearted when it counts and remember that people are free to choose. One way or another.
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Surely there are more important moral issues than a photograph of a couple of young women in short skirts happily posing on the footplate of a steam locomotive.
For example, we are just a couple of days away from the tenth anniversary of an event, inspired in part by warped religious fundamentalism, that has led to the deaths of thousands of innocent people around the world over the past decade.
However, it is encouraging that the OP is interested in such exploring morality. He may be interested in listening to Radio Four's programme, Moral Maze http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qk11, which illustrates that morality is not as simple a subject as some people would like it to be. Like this thread, it usually resolves little and often ends up with the various participants fighting tooth-and-nail to defend their prejudices but, in doing so, it gives one an opportunity to question one's own prejudices.
Given the subject of this thread, the OP may like to start with this edition:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0112xcg
For example, we are just a couple of days away from the tenth anniversary of an event, inspired in part by warped religious fundamentalism, that has led to the deaths of thousands of innocent people around the world over the past decade.
However, it is encouraging that the OP is interested in such exploring morality. He may be interested in listening to Radio Four's programme, Moral Maze http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qk11, which illustrates that morality is not as simple a subject as some people would like it to be. Like this thread, it usually resolves little and often ends up with the various participants fighting tooth-and-nail to defend their prejudices but, in doing so, it gives one an opportunity to question one's own prejudices.
Given the subject of this thread, the OP may like to start with this edition:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0112xcg
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Madge Wildfire
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I think that the main problem seems to be the emotional and mental differences between men and women.
You have to ask yourself why do women dress in short skirts and stand on the footplate of a steam locomotive? For promotional purposes I presume. The people who run the event must believe that they will get more press and media coverage (pun inevitable) this way.
But, and far more importantly, you have to ask the women how they feel when they dress like that and stand around inviting photographs to be taken.
I suspect that many men would not fully understand the answer, which is where the "equality at all costs" argument espoused much earlier in the thread falls down.
Why do mothers allow their 10 year old daughters to wear lipstick and make up, or buy them small bra and thong sets from high street stores? It is obviously not to attract predatory males, who see the wearing of any of those items to be "giving them signals". There is obviously a much more complex set of female values at work here which seems to not register in the male mind at all.
Certainly, equality of pay for both sexes performing the same jobs is a priority, and if women want to apply to for jobs in the construction or steel making industries, I dont have a problem with that.
But the 'holier than thou' tendency of the equality lobby have gone too far. Men and women are different in so many ways (thank goodness) that to campaign for equality in every walk of life is just stupid.
I imagine that many women have as much interest for railways as men do for embroidery or flower arranging. But I doubt that women promoting a flower exhibition would feel the need to involve scantily clad men.
What annoyed me about the self righteous comments by Bittern, was that (a) he could not understand why women would want to dress like that in the first place - well why not try asking some of them, rather than ranting on here?
and (b) the idea that they might be photographed by men in their fifties with cameras. I am a man in his 50s and I own a number of cameras, but I resent this blatant ageism from someone who is purporting to be against sexism. Are we now saying that anyone over 50 who looks at a photograph of a women's bare legs is a dirty old man, whereas anyone under that age who does the same is normal? .....sigh.....
You have to ask yourself why do women dress in short skirts and stand on the footplate of a steam locomotive? For promotional purposes I presume. The people who run the event must believe that they will get more press and media coverage (pun inevitable) this way.
But, and far more importantly, you have to ask the women how they feel when they dress like that and stand around inviting photographs to be taken.
I suspect that many men would not fully understand the answer, which is where the "equality at all costs" argument espoused much earlier in the thread falls down.
Why do mothers allow their 10 year old daughters to wear lipstick and make up, or buy them small bra and thong sets from high street stores? It is obviously not to attract predatory males, who see the wearing of any of those items to be "giving them signals". There is obviously a much more complex set of female values at work here which seems to not register in the male mind at all.
Certainly, equality of pay for both sexes performing the same jobs is a priority, and if women want to apply to for jobs in the construction or steel making industries, I dont have a problem with that.
But the 'holier than thou' tendency of the equality lobby have gone too far. Men and women are different in so many ways (thank goodness) that to campaign for equality in every walk of life is just stupid.
I imagine that many women have as much interest for railways as men do for embroidery or flower arranging. But I doubt that women promoting a flower exhibition would feel the need to involve scantily clad men.
What annoyed me about the self righteous comments by Bittern, was that (a) he could not understand why women would want to dress like that in the first place - well why not try asking some of them, rather than ranting on here?
and (b) the idea that they might be photographed by men in their fifties with cameras. I am a man in his 50s and I own a number of cameras, but I resent this blatant ageism from someone who is purporting to be against sexism. Are we now saying that anyone over 50 who looks at a photograph of a women's bare legs is a dirty old man, whereas anyone under that age who does the same is normal? .....sigh.....
Minilad
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I can't help but wonder what these two ladies would think if they read this thread. They probably wouldn't be able to understand why any of us think we would have the right to tell them what to wear or how to behave. I would like to bet a pound to a penny both of them have gone on a night out far more provocatively dressed of their own free will.
passmore
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A very good summation with some salient points made. It's the differences between men and women which make life so varied and interesting.
Geezertronic
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And this thread has been going on for so long that the picture in question seems to have been removed so I cannot even see what the fuss is about
Another vote. I haven't actually seen the original picture, but am generally of the view that what people wear is entirely up to them and none of my business. If they were wearing something saying "Railfans are [insert insult]" then I might be offended, but that would be a personal attack. I'm not so keen on it in advertising, but not because of equality reasons. Take the Lynx adverts for example. It suggests that the product will make women attracted to the men who wear it, implying that all men are just interested in getting a bit of the other (to use an old expression). I find that insulting personally, so I don't buy the product, because I don't want to be associated with that sort of thing. However, that's no reason for stopping other people from buying it. That's their business, not mine.
Grantham
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Unbelieveable. Something that's meant to be fun causing such a controversy!
And all over sex appeal! The one thing that has kept the human race from extinction...
And all over sex appeal! The one thing that has kept the human race from extinction...
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