Northern Unit Refurbishments and depot allocations.

[DownSlow10]

Is it just 150222, 224 and 275 waiting to go west? I've lost track.

sounds about right yes. 222 at wolverton I think.

 

[david l]

150274 as well. Note that 150222 is in Wolverton.

 

[diligentdave]

No, but I didn't say livery. Putting the logo on the side is something though.

No GBR logo either. Nothing like that. And 150150 still has all its Northern logos anyway. Possibly it was 150120 that was seen in "plain" as this has just returned from works.

Any idea when 150001 and 150205 is making a return?

150001 was due back 19th Sept but that's moved back. 150205 you won't see for a while, it's going into Wolverton round about the 18th Sept for C6/CSO works (it's been bumped in the program) and incident repairs.

 

[DownSlow10]

Thank you for the information

On the same subject of liveries, I personally witnessed 150002 in a dire state as the livery has been weathered quite intensely, not seen it for a while so may have been sorted since.

 

[sbrignall72]

No GBR logo either. Nothing like that. And 150150 still has all its Northern logos anyway. Possibly it was 150120 that was seen in "plain" as this has just returned from works.

150001 was due back 19th Sept but that's moved back. 150205 you won't see for a while, it's going into Wolverton round about the 18th Sept for C6/CSO works (it's been bumped in the program) and incident repairs.

Diligentdave do you know when 156401 is dueout has it slipped again, also 156449 as that was due 19th too

 

[D6130]

150205 you won't see for a while, it's going into Wolverton round about the 18th Sept for C6/CSO works (it's been bumped in the program) and incident repairs.

That was the unit that was unfortunately involved in the fatal level crossing collision at Hoghton a couple of months ago.

 

[Soft Hands]

Is it just 150222, 224 and 275 waiting to go west? I've lost track.

And 274...

 

[Northerngirl]

No GBR logo either. Nothing like that. And 150150 still has all its Northern logos anyway. Possibly it was 150120 that was seen in "plain" as this has just returned from works.

Is it possible that they just had a supply problem with the logos and the shortages are bad enough that they let it out with the bare minimum

 

[diligentdave]

Diligentdave do you know when 156401 is dueout has it slipped again, also 156449 as that was due 19th too

156401 is due out this weekend (5th). It did come out last week and promptly failed so returned. 449 is still on track for the 19th.

Is it possible that they just had a supply problem with the logos and the shortages are bad enough that they let it out with the bare minimum

No. There are no logos for the Northern fleet and nothing has been agreed to put them on. The designs have not been made or signed off. P.S. the first unit to receive any kind of GBR livery (a wrap) will be a 331.

 

[simon7929]

Heaton based 156488 has been released from Wolverton with no branding. Just plain Blue and White.

 

[Trainz6013]

Heaton based 156488 has been released from Wolverton with no branding. Just plain Blue and White.

I believe 156469 is also running in just blue and white

 

[DownSlow10]

I believe 156469 is also running in just blue and white

Must be a reason as why trains are running round with no branding.

 

[dave87016]

Northern class 150 transfer movements Sunday 6th September 2026

5Z51 11:09am Newton Heath T.M.D. - Neville Hill T.M.D. formed of 150140 and 150142

5Z52 13:42pm Neville Hill T.M.D. - Newton Heath T.M.D. formed of 150104 and 150274

 

[ENC Rail]

5Z52 13:42pm Neville Hill T.M.D. - Newton Heath T.M.D. formed of 150104 and 150274

Does anyone know why 150104 is going back?

 

[DBS92042]

I believe 156469 is also running in just blue and white

156401 also released from Wolverton yesterday with no branding

 

[Gordonman]

Does anyone know why 150104 is going back?

It's homesick.

150270 also worked 5E12 Newton Heath - Heaton ysterday

 

[BurtonM]

GBR graphics on the base Northern livery? History's repeating - reminds me of the early days of Serco/Abellio Northern when there was a ragtag mix of Merseyrail, FNW, Metro-Train, Northern Spirit, and god knows what else all running around with hastily applied Northern logos by the doors. Funny that the name's being phased out in exactly the same manner it first appeared.


Will Northern branding be actively removed from units in depots, or only if they're going off for works?

 

[Trainz6013]

GBR graphics on the base Northern livery? History's repeating - reminds me of the early days of Serco/Abellio Northern when there was a ragtag mix of Merseyrail, FNW, Metro-Train, Northern Spirit, and god knows what else all running around with hastily applied Northern logos by the doors. Funny that the name's being phased out in exactly the same manner it first appeared.


Will Northern branding be actively removed from units in depots, or only if they're going off for works?

In the case of 401 & 488, the Northern branding was removed whilst they were at Wolverton, whilst 469's was removed on depot I thin

 

[D365]

Is there an explanation for removing the Northern logos before the GBR | Northern brand identity is deployed?

 

[3RDGEN]

Branding the 170, 195, 331's or 350's when they arrive I would understand but why put the GBR branding on the dross of the Northern fleet your planning to replace? Perhaps their planning a TfW 14x style branding promoting the departure of those fleets when the new trains order is finally announced?

 

[Leyland Bus]

Branding the 170, 195, 331's or 350's when they arrive I would understand but why put the GBR branding on the dross of the Northern fleet your planning to replace? Perhaps their planning a TfW 14x style branding promoting the departure of those fleets when the new trains order is finally announced?

Kind of looses the "pizazz" of such a sentiment when its hanging around for 5+ years... Would work if they were only a year or so away. Is also why the legacy fleet will likely get GBR branding on fleet livery, makes a nonsense of integration if so much of the fleet stays "Northern" branded years after GBR is formed...

 

[rattyben]

Kind of looses the "pizazz" of such a sentiment when its hanging around for 5+ years... Would work if they were only a year or so away. Is also why the legacy fleet will likely get GBR branding on fleet livery, makes a nonsense of integration if so much of the fleet stays "Northern" branded years after GBR is formed...

Surely a bunch of their fleet is gonna be non-GBR branded anyway as various strategic authorities seek their own branding and ownership of local rail services so I suspect for Northern there is a lot of unknowns right now and no money to deliver for new livery let alone reapplying the old ones.

 

[Leyland Bus]

Surely a bunch of their fleet is gonna be non-GBR branded anyway as various strategic authorities seek their own branding and ownership of local rail services so I suspect for Northern there is a lot of unknowns right now and no money to deliver for new livery let alone reapplying the old ones.

Quite and apart from one wrapped 323, there has been little said about that since. In Manchester, it is meant to commence in December so we will surely see movement pretty soon...

 

[3RDGEN]

Quite and apart from one wrapped 323, there has been little said about that since. In Manchester, it is meant to commence in December so we will surely see movement pretty soon...

Why fully rebrand 323's when they are going to be replaced and the one that ha been branded will only work the limited "Bee Network" services on an ad-hoc basis anyway since the fleet will be used across the North West?

 

[david l]

Am somewhat more concerned about shortforms , cancellations and Sunday non-working than stickers on the side or what colour its painted.

 

[xotGD]

Why fully rebrand 323's when they are going to be replaced and the one that ha been branded will only work the limited "Bee Network" services on an ad-hoc basis anyway since the fleet will be used across the North West?

No different to when Greater Manchester PTE livery Pacers would rock up in Wakefield.

 

[3RDGEN]

Am somewhat more concerned about shortforms , cancellations and Sunday non-working than stickers on the side or what colour its painted.

Spot on, if all else was working well then OK but they have plenty of more important issues to fix before put "GBR" on the side of units due for replacement.

Back to the issue of the thread, does anyone have a rough estimate for the number/percentage of 150/155/156 fleet left to have bodywork repairs? Presumably the extended works visits for corrosion repairs must come to end at some point and Northern should see an improvement of units available for service?

 

[rattyben]

Am somewhat more concerned about shortforms , cancellations and Sunday non-working than stickers on the side or what colour its painted.

It’s not an issue the should be dismissed though as getting it right helps people navigate the rail network especially a mixed traffic one that’s still issuing tickets stating “Northern Only” or “TPE only” and that’s not helpful when you’ve got unbranded train, I’d say it’s more important now during this transitional period.

 

[david l]

It’s not an issue the should be dismissed though as getting it right helps people navigate the rail network especially a mixed traffic one that’s still issuing tickets stating “Northern Only” or “TPE only” and that’s not helpful when you’ve got unbranded train, I’d say it’s more important now during this transitional period.

Agree, not dismissing it - but try living in the north west (far worse than anywhere else in Northernland) with shortforms, cancellations and Sunday non-working.

 

[Ribbleman]

No different to when Greater Manchester PTE livery Pacers would rock up in Wakefield.

Or Merseytravel liveried units in Whitby.