Walesevs31
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Does anyone know when each TOC’s rail replacement is up with their current providers and the tender dates?
How can it go in house, will they operate their own coaches or will they just subcontract to work to local operators? I can't see how they can provide their own vehicles considering the fast area TFW covers.Transport for Wales’ contract with Transport UK ends on the 31st October 2026, with it going in house from the next day.
The 'f' being pronounced in the Welsh style presumably?I can't see how they can provide their own vehicles considering the fast area TFW covers.
TfW already runs the TrawsCymru bus network which contracts scheduled services to a collection of local operators, similar to TfL bus operations I think.How can it go in house, will they operate their own coaches or will they just subcontract to work to local operators? I can't see how they can provide their own vehicles considering the fast area TFW covers.
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How can it go in house, will they operate their own coaches or will they just subcontract to work to local operators? I can't see how they can provide their own vehicles considering the fast area TFW covers.
Tfw will expect you to use the local bus services as they do on the newport ebbw vale service. The problem with this is there is no direct bus sevice to Ebbw vale
It does seem to be increasingly common that a deliberate decision is taken to not advise by any of the usual public channels that a short notice replacement bus is running.They lay on a replacement bus service for planned closures. For unplanned closures they do sometimes lay buses on but they aren’t always advertised.
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- ARRIVA UK TRAINS LIMITED
- CMAC GROUP UK LIMITED
- First Travel Solutions Limited
- GO SOUTH COAST LIMITED
- TRANSPORT UK LONDON BUS LIMITED
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Like the TOCs that are currently or was recently operated by First Group mostly had contracts with First Travel Solutions, which might not be the best value for money
Always looks shady when you awarded a contract to on of your subsidiaries, might have been good value for money but it still looks shady.You don't think First got the best deal for taxpayers then?
It is interesting that TfW have come in-house, at the same time that the DfT has gone out with (and awarded) a massive tender for rail replacement services everywhere else, using the private sector.
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They have a habit of it, I was being sarcastic, that racket should have been shut down a long time ago. First Customer Contact, First Rail Consultancy, whatever the IT subsidiary is called. They pay themselves to do things for TOCs, it's easier than trying to be good at running trains.Always looks shady when you awarded a contract to on of your subsidiaries, might of been good value for money but it still looks shady.
Some people might feel rail replacement is a licence to print money. The Welsh model looks to be a good one. Has the DfT contract actually been shared amongst the big private providers? I struggle to understand ‘dynamic contracts’.They have a habit of it, I was being sarcastic, that racket should have been shut down a long time ago. First Customer Contact, First Rail Consultancy, whatever the IT subsidiary is called. They pay themselves to do things for TOCs, it's easier than trying to be good at running trains.
It does seem to be increasingly common that a deliberate decision is taken to not advise by any of the usual public channels that a short notice replacement bus is running.
I'm sure there are good reasons for doing so and I won't get into this question here.
I will however say that it also seems common that this information isn't provided even by the station staff in person or privately by social media direct message to a customer. The result is that very few passengers show up and sometimes the bus operators even run empty, or are stood down because they reasonably report that they've looked for passengers and found nobody in need of transport.
I can only speculate as to the direct causes for this, but it seems rather likely that some operators are not only ordering replacement buses that are unadvertised to the general public, but also in effect unadvertised internally. If station staff and the social media desk aren't informed directly that there's a replacement bus, and it isn't available to view publicly anywhere, then they can't reasonably be expected to be aware of it either. Accordingly they will advise customers that road transport isn't in place, at least in the form of a replacement bus, if directly asked. What else could they do?
Perhaps Stagecoach didn't bid or they put in a non-compliant bid as they did for the South Western franchise.The practice of awarding the rail replacement contract to the in-house company ceased some time ago under pressure from the DfT. Hence the GTR contract moved from Go-Ahead to Transport UK London Bus Ltd who provide the office services for the separate teams who work with 'their' TOC. Most didn't change as far as I know.
There is a notable name absent in the list which is Stagecoach. They used to be quite active in the business.
So have GSC been awarded the SWR area to manage then? It's a strange addition to the usual suspects.It is interesting that TfW have come in-house, at the same time that the DfT has gone out with (and awarded) a massive tender for rail replacement services everywhere else, using the private sector.
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