UK switching to electric vehicles discussion

[styles]

Oh, and without going into detail about how, my new car has, to press, cost me a shade over 0.5p/mile in fuel. That won't last beyond January but even if that cost TRIPLES........

Easy to see how to achieve this. Apart from charging at home with e.g. solar, I know that if I took out a company car EV it would come with 4,000 miles of free charging each year. Not to mention a free home charger, fully comp insurance, MOT, servicing, maintenance, tyres/brakes, certain damage repair, etc. It is a lease, rather than an outright purchase, but when I've run the numbers it looks like a very competitive offering.

 

[Noddy]

I'm not sure it's as simple as that. Certainly in the early days Tesla supercharging was subsidised as a way to sell cars - eg free supercharging for life. My understanding is that discharging is cheaper now because Tesla builds their own charging requirement, so it's all vertically integrated and means they can deploy much more cheaply than others.
Prices are creeping up because wholesale electricity prices are rising.

Tesla don't make public profits just from their Supercharger network alone, but estimates suggest it remains profitable as a stand alone section of the overall business.

Supercharging has been directly subsidised in the past eg Free supercharging, but it is also still indirectly subsidised as a result of all the direct support that the supercharging arm received over the last 15 years that other charging firms simply didn’t benefit from. Even today they are benefiting from Tesla vast cash reserves and exceptionally low interest loans to invest in R+D, staff, factory and sites, etc etc. We know that overall the supercharging arm of Tesla does make a profit but there is no country by country breakdown. I suspect it makes huge profits in the USA and Canada, is marginally loss making or just about breaks even in Western European countries where energy costs are much higher, and is heavily loss making in new markets as it develops them. But perhaps most interestingly if you look at third party CPO (eg EV On The Move) that have superchargers run by Tesla they are typically the same prices as the CPOs non-Tesla sites which says a lot.

Because heavy cars are not nice to drive? More body roll through corners not very dynamic
They have less range than an ICE, you cannot use heating in winter because it uses too much power
The boot space is reduced compared to ICE as the space is taken up by the big heavy batteries.

Heavy cars wear tyres and brakes more quickly, that's just physics. More weight on the tyre material and more car to stop which puts more strain on the brakes.

You are paying more money for a compromised car. There is not an EV I would willingly buy in the market right now even if I had the money for one. They are dull heavy uninspiring cars to drive. There are a few brand new ICE cars I would buy however.

This is before you get to slow charging, public chargers that are more expensive than petrol. There is literally zero reason for me to even consider EVs right now. The cars need to get a lot better. They only make sense as a second car if you live in a big house with a driveway and cheap home charging.

I am not against them in concept, my local bus route has converted to EVs and they are fantastic.

I know anecdotally someone who has just bought a used 3.0L Jaguar to replace their EV because it is cheaper to run and they're not paying leasing costs

You might have got away with saying this nonsense when this thread was started in 2022. But four years and 243 pages later and a whole multitude of experienced EV drivers on this thread have already told you multiple times that most of what you are saying is factually wrong. Not using heating in winter come on

 

[Mawkie]

But perhaps most interestingly if you look at third party CPO (eg EV On The Move) that have superchargers run by Tesla they are typically the same prices as the CPOs non-Tesla sites which says a lot.

Thankfully the OTM sites are able to be excluded in the Tesla route planning software.

Not using heating in winter come on

Indeed. Some of us are not only heating whilst we drive, we are also heating before we even get in the car! Likewise cooling - the days of me getting into my car at 50C are over.

 

[Bald Rick]

As this was addressed to me I ought to reply, albeit in much the same wayas others

Because heavy cars are not nice to drive? More body roll through corners not very dynamic

Mrs BRs EV is rather nicer to drive than what it replaced. Much less roll through the corners, and in every sense, electric to drive.

They have less range than an ICE

Within the next year or so I shall replace my ICE that needs filling every 280-320 miles with it’s exact EV equivalent that has a range of 440 miles. Cost of the replacement will be less, allowing for inflation, than the ICE was when I bought it on a like for like basis. Other examples are of course available.

you cannot use heating in winter because it uses too much power

Of course you can use it, that’s nonsense. I don’t know how powerful EV car heaters are, but even if they use 1kW and is on permanently, which would be a lot, it would take 20 miles range off a five hour drive.

The boot space is reduced compared to ICE as the space is taken up by the big heavy batteries.

Not in mine it isn’t. In fact theres more space than it’s ICE predecessor as there’s no Adblue tank, fuel pipe or exhaust system inthe way.

Heavy cars wear tyres and brakes more quickly, that's just physics. More weight on the tyre material and more car to stop which puts more strain on the brakes.

As said repeatedly, you barely use the brakes on an EV, the motors stop you through regen. I have no doubt I won’t be replacing them on Mrs BRs car even if she keeps it for a decade.


What exactly is your mission here?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Of course you can use it, that’s nonsense. I don’t know how powerful EV car heaters are, but even if they use 1kW and is on permanently, which would be a lot, it would take 20 miles range off a five hour drive.

It's not universal in cheaper EVs but quite a lot of them are air-source heat pumps* and so don't consume an awful lot of energy.

Of course an ICE consumes that energy in waste heat whether you pipe it into the cabin or not.

* Perhaps we should wait for the inevitable backlash on that, but that backlash always ignores that every single home contains an air source heat pump, we just call it "the fridge".

 

[DiscoSteve]

Because heavy cars are not nice to drive? More body roll through corners not very dynamic
They have less range than an ICE, you cannot use heating in winter because it uses too much power
The boot space is reduced compared to ICE as the space is taken up by the big heavy batteries.

Heavy cars wear tyres and brakes more quickly, that's just physics. More weight on the tyre material and more car to stop which puts more strain on the brakes.

You are paying more money for a compromised car. There is not an EV I would willingly buy in the market right now even if I had the money for one. They are dull heavy uninspiring cars to drive. There are a few brand new ICE cars I would buy however.

This is before you get to slow charging, public chargers that are more expensive than petrol. There is literally zero reason for me to even consider EVs right now. The cars need to get a lot better. They only make sense as a second car if you live in a big house with a driveway and cheap home charging.

I am not against them in concept, my local bus route has converted to EVs and they are fantastic.

I know anecdotally someone who has just bought a used 3.0L Jaguar to replace their EV because it is cheaper to run and they're not paying leasing costs

What absolute uninformed tripe - its this kind of nonsense spread by mostly petrolheads that needs to be snuffed out - about the ONLY reason that anyone would complain about getting an EV if they lived in a flat or a tiny terraced house with no offstreet parking for a home charger. For literally EVERYONE else its a no brainer

 

[Bletchleyite]

What absolute uninformed tripe - its this kind of nonsense spread by mostly petrolheads that needs to be snuffed out - about the ONLY reason that anyone would complain about getting an EV if they lived in a flat or a tiny terraced house with no offstreet parking for a home charger. For literally EVERYONE else its a no brainer

I don't get why people attempt to justify not wanting an EV for emotional reasons with strawman arguments. "I don't want an EV because I enjoy driving a petrol" is a perfectly valid argument. Or "I don't want an EV because I don't like change". Falsehoods are not.

 

[cactustwirly]

As this was addressed to me I ought to reply, albeit in much the same wayas others



Mrs BRs EV is rather nicer to drive than what it replaced. Much less roll through the corners, and in every sense, electric to drive.



Within the next year or so I shall replace my ICE that needs filling every 280-320 miles with it’s exact EV equivalent that has a range of 440 miles. Cost of the replacement will be less, allowing for inflation, than the ICE was when I bought it on a like for like basis. Other examples are of course available.



Of course you can use it, that’s nonsense. I don’t know how powerful EV car heaters are, but even if they use 1kW and is on permanently, which would be a lot, it would take 20 miles range off a five hour drive.




Not in mine it isn’t. In fact theres more space than it’s ICE predecessor as there’s no Adblue tank, fuel pipe or exhaust system inthe way.



As said repeatedly, you barely use the brakes on an EV, the motors stop you through regen. I have no doubt I won’t be replacing them on Mrs BRs car even if she keeps it for a decade.


What exactly is your mission here?

So EVs are completely perfect in every way?

Every car review I watch reveals all their flaws.
What Car doing direct comparisons and finding the pure ICE always wins on cost savings and experience

I feel like the EV brigade also peddle mistruths, they come from privilege backgrounds with 5 bed detached houses with acres of driveway for home charging and pay a ridiculously low amount. Good for you.

For most normal people in the southeast a house with a driveway is a luxury

 

[Harpers Tate]

Are ICEs perfect in every way? Every car review I watch reveals all their flaws.
Of course not is the answer - in both cases.

There is a big difference between an actual factual mistruth* and differing opinion and/or use-case scenarios. And, no, I don't have a 5-bed house with acres of driveway. I do have a driveway, and a garage. I'm not in the South East, but there are many properties such as you suggest (driveway is a luxury) nearby.

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* Such as faster tyre or brake wear, inability to heat the car, etc.

 

[Bletchleyite]

For most normal people in the southeast a house with a driveway is a luxury

This is just not true. A very large proportion of the housing in the South East has some form of off road parking. There are 1970s Barratt estates everywhere, there was a big expansion push around then.

Within Greater London maybe but you then start to wonder if any car is justifiable.

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So EVs are completely perfect in every way?

Nobody is saying they are, just that the specific arguments you are using are false.

Why not use truthful ones, like that you just prefer how a manual petrol drives? That is a totally valid argument.

 

[Snow1964]

I was in a council car park today and as I walked past the EV spaces a none EV drove in and parked up. It was then I noticed the recharging points have all been removed and a termination box installed. That suggests no demand for charging in that town centre car park, not what I would expect.

Quite good timing on this point, and seems to be postcode lottery.

Close Brothers Motor finance surveyed 17 Councils

Northumberland does remote monitoring and keeps 97% working
4 of the 17 had no idea how many worked because outsourced

Hampshire was very poor, had only 151 chargers, of which quarter (39) weren't working, and that included 27 deliberately switched off due to low utilisation

England’s public charging network is a postcode lottery, with some councils checking every charger by the hour while others confess they have no idea whether theirs are working at all.​

That is the picture painted by a Freedom of Information investigation from Close Brothers Motor Finance, which put questions to 17 English county councils and found everything from 97 per cent uptime in the best-run counties to a “data black hole” in Lancashire, West Sussex, Nottinghamshire and Essex, where authorities hold no fault or reliability data whatsoever.

EV charger postcode lottery exposed as councils admit data black hole

An EV charging postcode lottery is exposed in England, with a quarter of one county's chargers down and major councils holding no reliability data at all.

evpowered.co.uk

Nationally there are currently about 123,000 public chargers, of which 29,300 are rapid (50-149 kW) or ultra rapid (150+ kW)

 

[jon0844]

Some of us are not only heating whilst we drive, we are also heating before we even get in the car! Likewise cooling - the days of me getting into my car at 50C are over.

My old petrol car took a long time to warm up so cold mornings were a pain. Clearing windows took ages and so I was sat in my driveway able to do nothing but wait.

My diesel was even worse, albeit with a heated windscreen and seats. Still took ages for hot air to come through the vents.

My EV? Well besides the fact it gives out hot air almost immediately, I can turn the heating on from my phone indoors. Or just set a schedule so it does it automatically.

At most it might see me lose 1% battery so it's on 99% when I head off.

And in the summer, just so the same to cool the car.

I know some ICE cars can do this too, but most don't and it will still take longer to heat up.

 

[trebor79]

So EVs are completely perfect in every way?

No. But they are much less imperfect than inefficient ICE spewing carcinogenic combustion products into the air we breathe.

Every car review I watch reveals all their flaws.
What Car doing direct comparisons and finding the pure ICE always wins on cost savings and experience

Total piffle. ICE is many times more expensive to run, and awful to drive compared to electric.

I feel like the EV brigade also peddle mistruths, they come from privilege backgrounds with 5 bed detached houses with acres of driveway for home charging and pay a ridiculously low amount. Good for you.

Hyperbolic nonsense is not helping your argument.

Have you actually driven an EV?

 

[Bald Rick]

So EVs are completely perfect in every way?

Of course not, and I didn’t say they were.

But some of the arguments you have made, repeatedly, don’t stand up to any level of scrutiny. Many of them are patently untrue.

I feel like the EV brigade also peddle mistruths, they come from privilege backgrounds with 5 bed detached houses with acres of driveway for home charging and pay a ridiculously low amount. Good for you.

Well, I don’t come from a privileged background, nor do I have a 5 bedroom detached house. I do have a driveway, but as yet no charger. When the charger is installed, I will be paying 26p kW/h, as that is what is cheapest for our use. For what it’s worth, I‘d happily pay at least the same as I pay per mile for petrol, as the driving experience of the EV is so much better, and because I am now ‘doing my bit’ for the environment.

You didn’t answer the question re what your mission is in this, ie consistently writing things suggesting they are fact, when they are not. As far as I can tell it can only be:

1) work for the motor or fossil fuel industry and are on a campaign / have a vested interest
2) posting them for fun to deliberately provoke responses / wind up other posters
3) genuinely can’t / won’t accept facts that are contrary to your own beliefs
4) intentionally trying to make yourself look silly

any of them are fine, but I’m just interested which it is.

 

[Noddy]

Hampshire was very poor, had only 151 chargers, of which quarter (39) weren't working, and that included 27 deliberately switched off due to low utilisation

I think it should be pointed out that this is Hampshire County Council branded/supported chargers, and not public chargers installed in Hampshire. Instavolt just for example have 44 chargers installed at a single site near Winchester, and there will be 1000s of public chargers across the county. This applies to all the county figures in this report.

I would very strongly argue that councils shouldn’t really be getting involved in public charging. All they should be doing is allowing CPOs access to spaces and lampposts and charge rent or a profit share. We’ve seen in Scotland that goverment run charging point operators, however well intended, simply don’t work in this market and cause more problems than they solve.

 

[Minilad]

Because heavy cars are not nice to drive? More body roll through corners not very dynamic
They have less range than an ICE, you cannot use heating in winter because it uses too much power
The boot space is reduced compared to ICE as the space is taken up by the big heavy batteries.

Heavy cars wear tyres and brakes more quickly, that's just physics. More weight on the tyre material and more car to stop which puts more strain on the brakes.

You are paying more money for a compromised car. There is not an EV I would willingly buy in the market right now even if I had the money for one. They are dull heavy uninspiring cars to drive. There are a few brand new ICE cars I would buy however.

This is before you get to slow charging, public chargers that are more expensive than petrol. There is literally zero reason for me to even consider EVs right now. The cars need to get a lot better. They only make sense as a second car if you live in a big house with a driveway and cheap home charging.

I am not against them in concept, my local bus route has converted to EVs and they are fantastic.

I know anecdotally someone who has just bought a used 3.0L Jaguar to replace their EV because it is cheaper to run and they're not paying leasing costs

I've read plenty of utter bobbins on this forum over the years but this is right up there with the worst of them

 

[gswindale]

I feel like the EV brigade also peddle mistruths, they come from privilege backgrounds with 5 bed detached houses with acres of driveway for home charging and pay a ridiculously low amount. Good for you.

For most normal people in the southeast a house with a driveway is a luxury

Try asking my colleague about EVs.

Lives in a terraced house somewhere in Berkshire with no off street parking and can't always park outside their house.

Has an EV Vauxhall (Grandland i think), charges it at home via a cable popped into a gully on the pavement and makes frequent trips to North Yorkshire.

From talking to them, there is no way they'll be switching back to an ICE.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I've read plenty of utter bobbins on this forum over the years but this is right up there with the worst of them

There's nothing wrong with deciding something based on emotion or enjoyment or just because you think it looks nice - that's part of being human. What's not sensible is making stuff up to justify that. If someone emotionally wants a petrol and can't justify that objectively that's fine, buy one. Pretty much no sports car purchase (for instance) can be justified objectively, it's an entirely emotional purchase. And there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Snow1964]

https://supercharge.info/map shows the generation and number of Tesla superchargers on site. Its shows sites that are under construction, planned or being voted upon.

Not just Tesla that are building large ultra rapid charging hubs

Eg Instavolt is building one near Chicklade on A303, the main route to South West (between where A36 and A350 to/from Southampton & Poole cross) on site of former petrol station, with what appears to be large farm shop

Once complete, the Superhub will feature 30 x 240kW EV charging spaces, with provision for an additional 12, alongside 60 ICE parking bays and two 2MW battery energy storage systems (BESS) to supplement grid supply. Drivers will be welcomed by an exceptional 10,000 sq ft food and beverage offering showcasing fresh local produce, an in-house bakery, butchery and deli, set within beautifully landscaped outdoor space and a new footpath connecting the site to the village of Chicklade. Improvements to access on the A303 will further enhance the experience for drivers arriving at the site.

It is clearly moving the goalposts on quality and provision of charging on some of the non-motorway long cross country routes

....or in this case could use a old diesel class 159 with no catering on competing rail route

Chicklade's charging destination of the future starts to take shape! - InstaVolt

instavolt.co.uk

 

[cactustwirly]

This is just not true. A very large proportion of the housing in the South East has some form of off road parking. There are 1970s Barratt estates everywhere, there was a big expansion push around then.

Within Greater London maybe but you then start to wonder if any car is justifiable.

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Nobody is saying they are, just that the specific arguments you are using are false.

Why not use truthful ones, like that you just prefer how a manual petrol drives? That is a totally valid argument.

A lot of those houses are unaffordable for most normal people (they are half a million or more) you need to be on a 6 figure salary to afford a mortgage for one. Compared to flats and terraced houses with communal parking without affordable charging infrastructure

 

[jon0844]

I've read plenty of utter bobbins on this forum over the years but this is right up there with the worst of them

Even when this thread was created almost everything said was wrong for then, let alone now.

 

[cactustwirly]

Of course not, and I didn’t say they were.

But some of the arguments you have made, repeatedly, don’t stand up to any level of scrutiny. Many of them are patently untrue.



Well, I don’t come from a privileged background, nor do I have a 5 bedroom detached house. I do have a driveway, but as yet no charger. When the charger is installed, I will be paying 26p kW/h, as that is what is cheapest for our use. For what it’s worth, I‘d happily pay at least the same as I pay per mile for petrol, as the driving experience of the EV is so much better, and because I am now ‘doing my bit’ for the environment.

You didn’t answer the question re what your mission is in this, ie consistently writing things suggesting they are fact, when they are not. As far as I can tell it can only be:

1) work for the motor or fossil fuel industry and are on a campaign / have a vested interest
2) posting them for fun to deliberately provoke responses / wind up other posters
3) genuinely can’t / won’t accept facts that are contrary to your own beliefs
4) intentionally trying to make yourself look silly

any of them are fine, but I’m just interested which it is.

So you are saying the reviews of established motoring journalists comparing running costs between like for like ICE and EVs are untrue? They are lying?
The reporting of a 2 tier society, those who can charge an EV themselves and those who can't are well reported

Are you denying that EVs are weighing in at almost 2 tonnes, sometimes even more for bigger ones?

You are saying that I am peddling untruths but offer no evidence whatsoever to change my viewpoint.

I know people with an EV who are being crippled with running costs after their workplace started charging for charging and they are not allowed by their council to fit a charger as it's communal parking.
They bought a 3.0 Diesel Jaguar because it was cheap - EV is still on lease and cannot afford to lease 2 cars. When playing ULEZ the Jaguar is cheaper than charging the EV at a public charger.

My situation is similar, no public chargers except Sainsbury's charging 74p/kWh.
It is not viable for me to fit a charger as my parking space is away from the house, and have to dig up neighbours land to lay a cable. Which will cost thousands.

I am simply answering the original question. No an EV in it's current form is not feasible.
I am not paying a fortune each month to lease a heavy car, that offers no practical improvement over any of the ICE cars that are on the market, has a higher price, and costs a lot more to run if you don't have a driveway.

Another friend did look at an EV, but they live in a terraced house, he worked out it is cheaper overall to buy and run a new petrol than charge an EV

I haven't seen any Tesla superchargers anywhere near my house.

I don't see how it is feasible for people like us to switch anytime soon.
EV cars need to get a lot better, and charging needs to get a lot more accessible and significantly cheaper to be genuinely feasible

You see it in the sales data, Petrol cars still outsell EVs, manufacturers are struggling to hit their EV sales targets. On the used market EVs depreciate hard. You have 100k Audi E-Trons that are 3 years old basically being given away

 

[jon0844]

There are many EVs under 1500Kg, some under 1000Kg. I really don't know where you are getting your information from.

 

[Darandio]

Are you denying that EVs are weighing in at almost 2 tonnes, sometimes even more for bigger ones?

As far as I can see nobody has tried to deny that? Yet some ICE cars weigh nearly 2 tonnes, some bigger ICE cars exceed it. Therefore i'm not sure of your point?

What I am seeing is that you earlier claimed there would be excessive brake wear on EV's related to this weight. This is demonstrably false but you've refused to acknowledge the multiple people who have put you right on it.

 

[Harpers Tate]

Are you denying that EVs are weighing in at almost 2 tonnes, sometimes even more for bigger ones?

No. Mine weighs almost 2 tonnes. However the rest of your assertion that accompanied that is what is untrue. They don't handle or perform worse than often much lighter ICEs*. They don't roll more; less in reality (for most designs). They don't wear brakes as they are not used to anything like the same extent and (in my experience of three EVs) don't wear tyres any faster than any prior ICE I had.

* How many ICEs of any type do you know of that
- you can buy a used example , 2 years old, with a remaining mfg. warranty up to 7 years, under 15k miles for well under £20k (according to autotrader).....
- that can do 0-60 in under 4 seconds (430 bhp) ?
(Extreme example.)

 

[trebor79]

So you are saying the reviews of established motoring journalists comparing running costs between like for like ICE and EVs are untrue? They are lying?

They are selectively using the most expensive public charging they can find. Even away from home a lot I never pay the 90p/kWh these guys base it on.

So not exactly lying, but cherry picking.

They also conveniently ignore the basically zero servicing costs

Are you denying that EVs are weighing in at almost 2 tonnes, sometimes even more for bigger ones?

So what? Modern cars weigh more than a Model T Ford. Perhaps we should all drive a Model T, because weight. What's that? But a modern car is much better you say? Well, blow me down with a feather!

You are saying that I am peddling untruths but offer no evidence whatsoever to change my viewpoint.

You've been offered plenty you are just ignoring them and repeating the same nonsense.

I know people with an EV who are being crippled with running costs after their workplace started charging for charging and they are not allowed by their council to fit a charger as it's communal parking.

Average AC charger is about 30-40p/kWh. That's still much cheaper than petrol.

I haven't seen any Tesla superchargers anywhere near my house.

Have you looked?

I don't see how it is feasible for people like us to switch anytime soon.

Because you don't want to

EV cars need to get a lot better, and charging needs to get a lot more accessible and significantly cheaper to be genuinely feasible

Again, as someone doing 35,000 miles a year there's absolutely no way I'd ever go back to ICE. EV drives better, is cheaper to run, leaves me less tired and doesn't kick out poisonous gases and soot.

You see it in the sales data, Petrol cars still outsell EVs,

Not for much longer.

manufacturers are struggling to hit their EV sales targets. On the used market EVs depreciate hard. You have 100k Audi E-Trons that are 3 years old basically being given away

All cars depreciate hard.

 

[Bald Rick]

So you are saying the reviews of established motoring journalists comparing running costs between like for like ICE and EVs are untrue? They are lying?

I would question some of them, yes. I have read reviews in the Telegraph for example, and some have presented a very slanted assessment. In the same way you get people comparing an Anytime return from Newcastle to London with a flight from Newcastle to London via Amsterdam or similar.

Conversely, are you saying that the lived experience of people writing on this thread that have compared actual running costs between like for like between ICE and EV that find EVs much cheaper, are untrue? Or that established motoring journalists that have done the same are also lying?

The reporting of a 2 tier society, those who can charge an EV themselves and those who can't are well reported

Are you suggesting that the people in this thread who have stated they own an EV and either live in a terraced house or can’t charge at home are lying then? See how many EVs there are on the streets of east London, and see how many houses there are there with driveways.

Are you denying that EVs are weighing in at almost 2 tonnes, sometimes even more for bigger ones?

Nope, and I never had.

Are you denying that, actually, with the power an EV provides, the regen capability it has, and the better weight distribution compared to an ICE, that the extra weight doesn’t matter to the driver/owner? As I said, the EV Mrs BR has (a regular hatchback) handles really well, indeed better than any car I’ve ever had (and that includes a Golf GTi and an Audi TT)

You are saying that I am peddling untruths but offer no evidence whatsoever to change my viewpoint.

I, and others, have repeatedly provided evidence, which you have evidently not read.

I am simply answering the original question. No an EV in it's current form is not feasible.

Please try and differentiate “not feasible”, with “not practical for me, now”. They are very different propositions.

Besides the original question was “Do you think the UK switching to electric vehicles is realistic (not ‘feasible’)

Given that 42% of new vehicles sold last month came with a charging cable, I’d say the answer is unequivocally ‘yes’, it is realistic.

I am not paying a fortune each month to lease a heavy car, that offers no practical improvement over any of the ICE cars that are on the market, has a higher price,

You have 100k Audi E-Trons that are 3 years old basically being given away

So EVs are “a fortune”, yet “basically being given away”. I’m confused, are they too expensive or too cheap?

 

[jon0844]

So EVs are “a fortune”, yet “basically being given away”. I’m confused, are they too expensive or too cheap?

They're so expensive they have to be given away, obviously!

 

[Noddy]

I think at this point you're just trolling to be honest.

@Mawkie called this user out back in April. If they’re not trolling, frankly they must be unbelievably stupid.

 

[E27007]

I don’t know how powerful EV car heaters are, but even if they use 1kW and is on permanently, which would be a lot, it would take 20 miles range off a five hour drive.

1kW that may be too low, 2 or 3kW may be right, where the ZEV uses resistive heater elements to warm the cabin and not by an air-heat pump. Does anyone know the typical draw in Kw?