Lothian Group discussion (Lothian City, Lothian Country Bus and East Coast Buses)

[FlybeDash8Q400]

I’ve only just noticed now that the A Pillars have been wrapped on 471. Looks fine from the outside, but inside it surely looks a bit odd.

 

[Porty]

Other vehicles are not supposed to be parked anywhere along the eastbound carriageway at Waterloo Place from the junction with Leith Street to the junction with Calton Hill. There are cones out and notices on all the roadside poles.

Yes. It's the first time I'd seen the road clear of anything but buses. Perhaps I should have initially removed the word "unauthorised" though I suppose that deliveries are still allowed so they would be authorised to do their business but not "park"?

 

[ScotRail158725]

I’ve only just noticed now that the A Pillars have been wrapped on 471. Looks fine from the outside, but inside it surely looks a bit odd.

Ive just seen it aswell didn’t know it was a full wrap and not just like the other zoo adverts. Surely it wont look any stranger than a wrap covering the rear windows

 

[Busman757]

I’m hearing of a new service 28 from Gilmerton Station to Bellevue, running with singles. Unsure how true.

 

[overthewater]

We can't even get date for the service changes, and Lothian isn't saying either. If it is the Sunday 13th It should mean any details will be out this week? Can anyone confirm if the duties are still holding until that date?

 

[jacoblikesbus]

I don’t know personally hopefully it’s sometime this week tho cause surely Lothian wouldn’t change the duties

 

[buslad1988]

We can't even get date for the service changes, and Lothian isn't saying either. If it is the Sunday 13th It should mean any details will be out this week? Can anyone confirm if the duties are still holding until that date?

Yes. There will be a press release and details this week on the website… change date is 13th September. That’s all I can say.

 

[TheEastCoaster]

I’m hearing of a new service 28 from Gilmerton Station to Bellevue, running with singles. Unsure how true.

So Basically the 8 if it was starting from Bellevue but instead of turning at Moredun it carries on to Gilmerton Terminus? not very inventive if you ask me, but maybe it will go a unique route?

Eitherway if we get an update this week then this is promising news.

 

[ScotRail158725]

So Basically the 8 if it was starting from Bellevue but instead of turning at Moredun it carries on to Gilmerton Terminus? not very inventive if you ask me, but maybe it will go a unique route?

Not very inventive but very much needed, ive advocated for thr 3 to be put back up to a 10 minute frequency for ages

 

[Bus9120UK]

That's 1004 back on the road.

 

[TheEastCoaster]

Not very inventive but very much needed, ive advocated for thr 3 to be put back up to a 10 minute frequency for ages

Then I would just increase the frequency of the 3 then create a whole new route!

To be honest I don't live on the route so I probably shouldn't assume I know best, but I would of maybe tried and take a risk with this and try make a new connection.

 

[overthewater]

Yes. There will be a press release and details this week on the website… change date is 13th September. That’s all I can say.

That's all we need, Until there been rubber stamped its all to play for. I hope there an improvement with Lothian country.

 

[ScotRail158725]

That's 1004 back on the road.

What was the point of bringing that back? Seemed stupid seeing it being off so long

 

[Bus9120UK]

What was the point of bringing that back? Seemed stupid seeing it being off so long

It and 1005-1007 (at least) are at Longstone ahead of the changes. Some Longstone 11 plates are likely to move back over to Central

 

[ScotRail158725]

It and 1005-1007 (at least) are at Longstone ahead of the changes. Some Longstone 11 plates are likely to move back over to Central

Would have been aswell bringing another of the withdrawn Geminis back instead of spending money fixing a bus that will be sold soon anyway

 

[TheEastCoaster]

That's all we need, Until there been rubber stamped its all to play for. I hope there an improvement with Lothian country.

I'm hoping this fixes the issues that were made in February and improve on stuff, like the 73, bit nervous about the future of the X19 however.

I'm hoping we can see some enhances in the East, especially with the 106, I'm not sure how popular it has become as a service, as I can't help but feel like East Coast are forcing folk to use it by having it serve the Western General, plus with it currently being the only East Coast service to run to West End at the moment, plus I'm sure someone came on one of the forums claiming it will be rerouted to Royal Infirmary at one point and then nothing came from that, might of just been someone trying to spice up the rumour mill honestly..

I'm sure these changes are made with the idea of what the services will be like once princes street reopens, and then once the change happens it'll be interesting to see how they cope with the current state of the city

 

[H00V3R]

I'm hoping this fixes the issues that were made in February and improve on stuff, like the 73, bit nervous about the future of the X19 however.

I'm hoping we can see some enhances in the East, especially with the 106, I'm not sure how popular it has become as a service, as I can't help but feel like East Coast are forcing folk to use it by having it serve the Western General, plus with it currently being the only East Coast service to run to West End at the moment, plus I'm sure someone came on one of the forums claiming it will be rerouted to Royal Infirmary at one point and then nothing came from that, might of just been someone trying to spice up the rumour mill honestly..

I'm sure these changes are made with the idea of what the services will be like once princes street reopens, and then once the change happens it'll be interesting to see how they cope with the current state of the city

I wouldn’t be surprised to see another (annual at this point) shakeup of the 106/X6. After Fort Kinnaird they can’t seem to make anything stick, could Cameron Toll/Kings Buildings be on the agenda? The RIE connection i would assume is bogus as Don Prentice already serve this (quite small) market and Lothian seem to be on good terms with them.

 

[LothianBusesPh]

bit nervous about the future of the X19 however.

The X19 is staying in some capacity

 

[TheEastCoaster]

The X19 is staying in some capacity

That means it's either getting the evening journeys cut or it's getting a drastic change

 

[Avenger20]

Not wanting to get in the way of all the juicy service change chat, I'm also eagerly awaiting the news.

Edinburgh to trial 7-7-7 bus lanes on 44 route from Greenside to Duddingston

Second phase, between Haymarket and Balerno, to follow later

www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com

EEN reporting implementation of the 7-7-7 bus lane trial later in the year. Comments on Facebook so far are against it, understandably from motorists who feel that every scheme that comes along is to the detriment of car users. I can see both sides and feel that intervention is needed for the bus service to be more reliable but also feel like bus stop rationalising would be a better option first. I've never seen a bus noticeably slowed down because cars were using the bus lane.

 

[alexf380]

It's mostly a problem because cars and vans park in the bus lane, rather than other cars using it to travel. By removing the obstructions, particularly around Willowbrae Gardens Abercorn Road city bound, there should be a small decrease in journey time.

 

[Scotrail314209]

Not very inventive but very much needed, ive advocated for thr 3 to be put back up to a 10 minute frequency for ages

Would be nice admittedly (living on the Western edge of the route), but think it would need a shake up of routes along Calder Road, quite a lot of 3/25/33 bunching at the minute (and that’s before they closed Princes Street).

 

[buslad1988]

Not wanting to get in the way of all the juicy service change chat, I'm also eagerly awaiting the news.

Edinburgh to trial 7-7-7 bus lanes on 44 route from Greenside to Duddingston

Second phase, between Haymarket and Balerno, to follow later

www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com

EEN reporting implementation of the 7-7-7 bus lane trial later in the year. Comments on Facebook so far are against it, understandably from motorists who feel that every scheme that comes along is to the detriment of car users. I can see both sides and feel that intervention is needed for the bus service to be more reliable but also feel like bus stop rationalising would be a better option first. I've never seen a bus noticeably slowed down because cars were using the bus lane.

If that article is to be believed the 44 is getting re-routed to serve London Road then (instead of Regent Road).

One positive is that the London Road to Jocks Lodge section will also benefit the multiple other routes using those roads including East Coast Buses. Win win.

 

[FlybeDash8Q400]

If that article is to be believed the 44 is getting re-routed to serve London Road then (instead of Regent Road).

One positive is that the London Road to Jocks Lodge section will also benefit the multiple other routes using those roads including East Coast Buses. Win win.

I wonder if they’ll opt to reroute all the Lothian routes away from Regent Road, leaving just the ECB ones.

Mind you, the 26 and 44 would have to go back to serving York Place. Leith Street is already far too congested and I suppose putting the 26 back would detriment the 19’s successful extension.

 

[Avenger20]

I'm not sure the article implies that, but when this idea first came about the 44 operated via York Place so I suspect it's simply regurgitated slightly.

The congestion issues at Picardy Place would negate any benefit of the bus lane changes.

 

[TheEastCoaster]

I wonder if they’ll opt to reroute all the Lothian routes away from Regent Road, leaving just the ECB ones.

Mind you, the 26 and 44 would have to go back to serving York Place. Leith Street is already far too congested and I suppose putting the 26 back would detriment the 19’s successful extension.

Honestly it would make sense if this was the direction it went, its what made ECB more special that it bypassed York Place, the 19 would be fine as it is already a practically different enough route to the 26 with it serving Lochend, the only downside would be that Portobello would lose it's fast bus outside the X26.

My question would be about the fate of the 15? as it partially terminates on Regent Road for most of it's journeys, i guess that could be the sole exception.

Unless they just leave it altogether and keep these Lothian services on Regent Road to avoid anymore confusion.

 

[Bus9120UK]

The latest Traveline National Dataset servicereport.csv file seems to have exposed the route terminus changes specifically for Lothian Country, no maps or timetables but the route detail/name itself has changed. They now show, where the title has changed:

• X18 - Edinburgh - Whitburn Heartlands
• X19 - Edinburgh - Livingston via Winchburgh
• 72 - Broxburn - Fauldhouse

I am seeing these from bustimes.org which has the data from today. I don't see anything relevant appearing from Lothian or East Coast Buses pages but these may have not updated yet. As I say, no timetables or routing available to view at the moment, but I presume this might appear in the next day or so.

 

[TheEastCoaster]

The latest Traveline National Dataset seems to have exposed the route terminus changes specifically for Lothian Country, no maps or timetables but the route detail/name itself has changed. They now show, where the title has changed:

• X18 - Edinburgh - Whitburn Heartlands
• X19 - Edinburgh - Livingston via Winchburgh
• 72 - Broxburn - Fauldhouse

I am seeing these from bustimes.org which has the data from today. I don't see anything relevant appearing from Lothian or East Coast Buses pages but these may have not updated yet. As I say, no timetables or routing available to view at the moment, but I presume this might appear in the next day.

Okay so my understanding of this is, the X19 will cover the 72 section between Winchburgh and Livingston so the link still remains covered one way or another, on the plus side, it gives Corstorphine and Glasgow Road a service to Livingston once again from Lothian Country, plus this brings back the Link between Kirkliston and West Lothian that was lost when the 72 was changed, hopefully the frequency is improved for this.

Guessing the 72 will turn at Kilpunt Roundabout then?

About time the X18 went into the Heartlands too!

 

[computerSaysNo]

About time the X18 went into the Heartlands too!

I've thought this for ages too. It means the workers at the Services have another option to get to work. It would be good if the 900 served those stops too, it should only take a few extra minutes and would mean that that whole area would suddenly have very fast connections to both Edinburgh and Glasgow.

 

[Auld reekie]

If that article is to be believed the 44 is getting re-routed to serve London Road then (instead of Regent Road).

One positive is that the London Road to Jocks Lodge section will also benefit the multiple other routes using those roads including East Coast Buses. Win win.

It’ll be tested in September when the 26/44 will be rerouted with Waterloo Place closing west bound for 11 weeks.