Great British Railways - First Train in New Livery

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I saw a GBR-liveried train at Selhurst depot when on a Thameslink down to Haywards heath on 25th July. Sadly couldn't get phone out or remember what train it was.

Likely just 387172, unless they’ve decided to get a move on.

 

[mq90]

Likely just 387172, unless they’ve decided to get a move on.

Very likely, it did look like it was the one.

 

[Russel]

I think the thing is that some people didn't "cope" before. I know from personal experience that for those with impaired vision things like this are incredibly important. Just because it's "fine" for normal people doesn't mean some people will struggle / be put off using.

In this case though, red and gray are very clearly contrasting colours so is a bit of a non issue.

 

[BuhSnarf]

In this case though, red and gray are very clearly contrasting colours so is a bit of a non issue.

Whilst it may be obviously contrasting for us, two people with the same eye condition may see colour in a completely different way. I don't personally suffer with sight loss, so yes it looks fine to me, but in work that I've done what sometimes looks obviously fine to me can often cause issues with my customers. That's why the rules are in place as those of us with sight can't always tell if it'll be a problem.

 

[WombleGuard]

The SWR unit has no signage on the exterior to indicate wheelchair area, bicycle or pram spaces.

 

[XCTurbostar]

I would treat any and all GBR liveries as media specials and not yet refined.
We have seen this many times whether it was with SWR's initial 444040 and 450111 liveries or West Midlands train's 172339 livery.
The finally livery will be a refinement of all this and hopefully will also take into account maintenance and usability. No livery is ever static as found with TPE adding yellow stripes..

 

[150249]

I would treat any and all GBR liveries as media specials and not yet refined.
We have seen this many times whether it was with SWR's initial 444040 and 450111 liveries or West Midlands train's 172339 livery.
The finally livery will be a refinement of all this and hopefully will also take into account maintenance and usability. No livery is ever static as found with TPE adding yellow stripes..

And to a lesser extent, GWR's DMU repaints following exams.

 

[442Haz]

Whilst it may be obviously contrasting for us, two people with the same eye condition may see colour in a completely different way. I don't personally suffer with sight loss, so yes it looks fine to me, but in work that I've done what sometimes looks obviously fine to me can often cause issues with my customers. That's why the rules are in place as those of us with sight can't always tell if it'll be a problem.

That’s fair enough and you make fair points. Hopefully in that case it’ll be addressed in good time

 

[wls1]

357201 is out on the network, unit 3 in GBR livery

 

[720144]

357201 is out on the network, unit 3 in GBR livery

Also 357202 unit 4 in GBR Anglia returned back to East Ham from Ilford under 5R39 yesterday.

 

[saismee]

357201 is out on the network, unit 3 in GBR livery

720501 as well. It was out on Tuesday.

 

[720144]

720501 as well. It was out on Tuesday.

144 made it out yesterday in passenger service holding the livery.

 

[saismee]

144 made it out yesterday in passenger service holding the livery.

Is your username an odd coincidence?

 

[99009]

Here's the latest list then after the gen from posts 999 and 1000. I've not personally seen any images or videos of 357201 and 357202 but it probably won't be long until that changes once they're out and about.

357008 - GBR Anglia
357020 - GBR Anglia
357201 - GBR Anglia
357202 - GBR Anglia
387172 - GBR Southern
701006 - GBR South Western
720144 - GBR Anglia
720501 - GBR Anglia

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Here's the latest list then after the gen from posts 999 and 1000. I've not personally seen any images or videos of 357201 and 357202 but it probably won't be long until that changes once they're out and about.

357008 - GBR Anglia
357020 - GBR Anglia
357201 - GBR Anglia
357202 - GBR Anglia
387172 - GBR Southern
701006 - GBR South Western
720144 - GBR Anglia
720501 - GBR Anglia

Thanks for this

 

[martin2345uk]

I overtook one of the GBR c2c units between Rainham and Dagenham yesterday, I thought it looked really smart in the bright sunshine. Look forward to seeing a GA one in the wild.

 

[saismee]

I overtook one of the GBR c2c units between Rainham and Dagenham yesterday, I thought it looked really smart in the bright sunshine. Look forward to seeing a GA one in the wild.

They do indeed. I really quite like the blue as I think the current GA 720 livery is quite boring, though inoffensive.

 

[150249]

They do indeed. I really quite like the blue as I think the current GA 720 livery is quite boring, though inoffensive.

Theres only so much you can do with Greater Anglia's colour scheme to be fair.

 

[XCTurbostar]

I find the decision to brand these solely as the 'incoming operator' strange as the GBR company - legally - does not exist yet.

 

[jamster47]

I believe a third c2c has rolled out today in GBR livery looking good. 357 201

I wondered why the 357s don’t have GBR and the double arrow like the other units. An evolution of the design?

 

[Russel]

I find the decision to brand these solely as the 'incoming operator' strange as the GBR company - legally - does not exist yet.

It may not legally exist but we all know it's happening, so in the case of the 357s, why would you paint them in anything other than the incoming operator livery?

 

[XCTurbostar]

It may not legally exist but we all know it's happening, so in the case of the 357s, why would you paint them in anything other than the incoming operator livery?

That is not the point. The livery is of an operator which does not exist, operates no trains, has no staff and cannot be searched for online. Rebranding at scale is the wrong option when C2C and Greater Anglia are still the fronts to the public. C2C is especially odd since it now has three liveries for its fleet.

Ultimately, unless you watch the news actively, less than 10% of the public know what GBR is.. but they do know their local operator as C2C or GA.

 

[Russel]

That is not the point. The livery is of an operator which does not exist, operates no trains, has no staff and cannot be searched for online. Rebranding at scale is the wrong option when C2C and Greater Anglia are still the fronts to the public. C2C is especially odd since it now has three liveries for its fleet.

Ultimately, unless you watch the news actively, less than 10% of the public know what GBR is.. but they do know their local operator as C2C or GA.

GBR Branding and publicity is starting to appear all over the place, the livery raises brand awareness too.

If the trains are being painted anyway, they may as well go into GBR rather than C2C just to be vinyl into GBR livery in 12 months time.

 

[vuzzeho]

That is not the point. The livery is of an operator which does not exist, operates no trains, has no staff and cannot be searched for online. Rebranding at scale is the wrong option when C2C and Greater Anglia are still the fronts to the public. C2C is especially odd since it now has three liveries for its fleet.

Ultimately, unless you watch the news actively, less than 10% of the public know what GBR is.. but they do know their local operator as C2C or GA.

The majority of the fleet says C2C/GA. The announcements say C2C/GA, as do ticketing sites, station displays, journey planning apps, and basically every other interface passengers will have with the service and its providers. If you book the 10:28 GA service, and at the station the 10:28 GA service is announced, and at 10:28 a train that says Anglia pulls in, then most would be able to tell. They've been able to with the more out there special liveries on other parts of the network.

After a point, the rollout will reach a pace where it'll be worth considering changing the public facing brand from GA to GBR Anglia. But chances are, by that point the Bill will have reached Royal Assent and GBR will be making more of a nationwide effort to brand and get it out there. GBR is now in the phase of moving into delivery of the brand under DFTO instead of DfT, which should hopefully mean more consistency.

 

[GoneSouth]

Here's the latest list then after the gen from posts 999 and 1000. I've not personally seen any images or videos of 357201 and 357202 but it probably won't be long until that changes once they're out and about.

357008 - GBR Anglia
357020 - GBR Anglia
357201 - GBR Anglia
357202 - GBR Anglia
387172 - GBR Southern
701006 - GBR South Western
720144 - GBR Anglia
720501 - GBR Anglia

All very South east centric. What happened to the midlands, southwest, Yorkshire, the northwest. They have railways too (although today wouldn’t have been a great day to launch one).

Northern are government run and are still churning out repaints in Northern livery. If they’re waiting for some shiny new trains to rebrand northern to GBR I think we’re in for a long wait. Maybe they should have incorporated rust into the colour scheme to be inclusive of the Northern fleet.

I am joking, I’m sure a 195 or 33 whatever it is will appear later this years. It will be good to see the white go, they always looked filthy.

 

[Leyland Bus]

All very South east centric. What happened to the midlands, southwest, Yorkshire, the northwest. They have railways too (although today wouldn’t have been a great day to launch one).

Northern are government run and are still churning out repaints in Northern livery. If they’re waiting for some shiny new trains to rebrand northern to GBR I think we’re in for a long wait. Maybe they should have incorporated rust into the colour scheme to be inclusive of the Northern fleet.

I am joking, I’m sure a 195 or 33 whatever it is will appear later this years. It will be good to see the white go, they always looked filthy.

According to others (and written elsewhere on this forum) Northern units coming back from overhaul are now doing so deviod of any branding, just in base NTL livery and GBR branding will start to appear over the coming months, so the GBR livery appearing here can't be far off...

 

[RUK]

Here's the latest list then after the gen from posts 999 and 1000. I've not personally seen any images or videos of 357201 and 357202 but it probably won't be long until that changes once they're out and about.

357008 - GBR Anglia
357020 - GBR Anglia
357201 - GBR Anglia
357202 - GBR Anglia
387172 - GBR Southern
701006 - GBR South Western
720144 - GBR Anglia
720501 - GBR Anglia

Thank you for the list - I think it would be informative if dates were added to it, though there are 2 possible dates - first seen (from “spy” photos/videos in depot - the Class 387 leaked early, and the Class 720s were seen while they were still partially undergoing vinyling), and first seen in public. Plus also if it were in date order, so the Class 387 first, then the Class 701, then the Class 720s and then the Class 357s. The Class 720/5 sub-class were actually built before the Class 720/1 sub-class (which were originally intended to be 10-car trains), I believe.

 

[dosxuk]

That is not the point. The livery is of an operator which does not exist, operates no trains, has no staff and cannot be searched for online. Rebranding at scale is the wrong option when C2C and Greater Anglia are still the fronts to the public. C2C is especially odd since it now has three liveries for its fleet.

Ultimately, unless you watch the news actively, less than 10% of the public know what GBR is.. but they do know their local operator as C2C or GA.

Where do you stand on trains being branded as Thameslink or Southern? Or more locally, when Stansted Express stock was branded separately?

 

[720144]

Here's the latest list then after the gen from posts 999 and 1000. I've not personally seen any images or videos of 357201 and 357202 but it probably won't be long until that changes once they're out and about.

357008 - GBR Anglia
357020 - GBR Anglia
357201 - GBR Anglia
357202 - GBR Anglia
387172 - GBR Southern
701006 - GBR South Western
720144 - GBR Anglia
720501 - GBR Anglia

Here’s the next batch of 357’s at Ilford in for the GBR repaint according to rtt.

357203
357210
357205.

 

[martin2345uk]

Does anyone know if the GA 720s in the new livery are only operating on the west anglia side or might we see them over on the great eastern?