TT-ONR-NRN
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As the forum's resident 390 fanboy, I'll take that - though you just know they'll stick a fat GBR in between the cab door and cab window.
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Great British Railways - First Train in New Livery
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Bletchleyite
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It looks a lot better without the white around the cab window, but I still find the "arrow" of the livery jarring against a curved nose.
NSEWonderer
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Again Ai but as said, the Flirt might not look bad at all
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RUK
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Were the original Inter-City 125 and Network SouthEast logotypes not set in Rail Alphabet? Do you not like those, either?
Bletchleyite
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They were much more utilitarian liveries as per my note about SBB and also a product of their time. But no, to be honest, I didn't really like that either. I much preferred the later INTERCITY with the swallow.
Not absolutely terrible but it still doesn't lend itself to the curved nature of the train compared to more boxy rolling stock. I expect the final result won't look too different aside from the driver door not being standout and the yellow remaining as it is now rather than bringing back the smile which suits it better.
CR165022
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Would be better if people edited images themselves to put this (admittedly already terrible) livery on trains instead of using AI, which is just lazy and always looks terrible.
TT-ONR-NRN
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No one's stopping you!
150249
Established Member
I think most liveries would suit the Flirts. I am a big fan of this look.
NSEWonderer
Established Member
Agreed them, Iets and Aventras seem to be the most versatile.
All I'm seeing is a 720 with a Flirt cab front!
99009
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As long as no one else is doing it (and with the caveat I might not see news of every unit repaint immediately so some patience would be needed), I would be happy to volunteer to keep track and post updates here regularly. I just don't know if it should be in this thread or a new thread and which section of the forum it should go in.
TastyMaltesers
Member
I actually think it looks more cohesive for long sets with the red and white applied to both ends of every car like this
NSEWonderer
Established Member
I’m pretty much against AI and LLMs in most cases, but this is precisely the sort of application where its use shouldn’t be frowned upon. It’s just to give an idea of what something could look like, it’ll be swept away in one day by lots of new messages so it really doesn’t make any sense to use several hours of one’s life to end up with a similar result.
AI has gotten quite good at this sort of stuff (and that’s why it’s a threat but that’s another subject).
I still think we’ve got a problem here with commuter trains looking the same as intercity ones. I can’t think of any country where they dress up every train to look the same and don’t make this differentiation.
I’m hoping the new liveries will be pretty limited for now, essentially as PR for each TOC changing to GBR, so something a bit for cohesive can be brought in once GBR is actually up and running.
I’m hoping the new liveries will be pretty limited for now, essentially as PR for each TOC changing to GBR, so something a bit for cohesive can be brought in once GBR is actually up and running.
Fully agreed!
TastyMaltesers
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It's nothing new and I wouldn't call it a problem that commuter and Inter-City trains have the same colours. I'm thinking of TOCs like GA, GWR and SWR (and there's probably more...) that run commuter and Inter-City services with the same liveries. I can't forget, of course, the BR of old putting everything into blue and grey... In reality, the design of the trains themselves are a pretty good tell of what's a commuter train and what's a fast long-distance train.
Northerngirl
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RUK
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It seems that those regions getting the GBR livery are those where Network Rail have been integrated with the TOCs, I believe, to form the structures which will be like how GBR ends up - Southern, South Western, and Anglia. Are there any other regions where Network Rail has been integrated with the TOCs yet? Because that may indicate which regions and hence TOCs/fleets we’ll see the GBR livery appearing on next. They all happen to be in the South of England - might GBR/the DfT want to change the perception of the South getting the new livery sooner, and opt for a TOC in the North or the Midlands next? Or is there any time-table for the future integration of Network Rail regions/routes, so we know when we might be able to expect to see the first GBR-liveried trains for those regions/routes?
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tfw756rider
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South Eastern Railway?
One MD said internally that GBR/DfT want 1 train at every TOC in GBR livery by the end of August, although declined to say whether that TOC would have it done by then.
On the plus side, GBR lanyards and name badges from September! Woooo!
TastyMaltesers
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Presumably that's '1 train from every TOC that's currently under DfT control' and not '1 from every TOC in England', given that GWR have just put a 175 in green...
They way it was said was more like 1 from every English TOC, but the TOC in question is indeed nationalised.
RUK
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Thank you for the information! Hmm, I wonder what counts as a TOC? Technically, GTR is a single TOC, but GBR will keep the separate Southern (which has already been done), Thameslink, and Great Northern brands. I presume that Thameslink and Great Northern might get their own units in GBR livery - the Class 700s are already getting an external refresh now, and the Class 379s are still in National Express East Anglia blue, rather than having the Southern green doors as the Class 387s do, which is still part of the same TOC. They might hold off on the Great Northern Class 717s, since they might be becoming part of London Overground anyway. I suppose the 2 TOCs, as were, within Anglia both got their own units.
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Number 10 north will be full steam ahead from Monday so not only will all the trains have been painted into GBR by the end of August, every station from Merseyside to Tyneside will have level boarding by the end of the year!
Or maybe not.
I’m liking the GBR livery, it certainly beats Thameslink, WM, XC and Northern. GWR had it sussed already, it will be sad to see that go (probably not for several years though).
I also thought intercity needed to be different to regional/local, but then I remembered GWR where it works perfectly well. A see of red white and blue at new street will be a bit of a change from the multicoloured mess it currently is.
RUK
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I suppose going back to the Big Four days pre-British Railways, they didn’t really have that strict distinction either.
I'm sure it's no secret by now that I like the GBR livery. I think it looks good on the Anglia units - the 'more blue' look is growing on me. Especially that stunning navy... I love that. We're entering a really fun era for the railways as the GBR livery is rolled out, tweaked, and we see their idea of special liveries. Imagine a GBR Pride livery!
One thing I do wonder though, is whether this means c2c as a brand is finally being wound down. If there's multiple 357s to be repainted in GBR blue then surely there'll be a point where they have to start notifying regular passengers that C2C will stop existing and their trains will now be GBR Anglia. I suppose this is true to a lesser extent with GA.
One thing I do wonder though, is whether this means c2c as a brand is finally being wound down. If there's multiple 357s to be repainted in GBR blue then surely there'll be a point where they have to start notifying regular passengers that C2C will stop existing and their trains will now be GBR Anglia. I suppose this is true to a lesser extent with GA.
I still agree somewhat (at least have a subtle difference) but I guess it'll work, and these days with digital displays and automated announcements, the livery difference matters the least it ever has.
RUK
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I was on an ex-Greater Anglia service the other day between Southend Victoria and Prittlewell and/or vice-versa on a Class 720, and noticed that the audio announcements said, “This is a … service to London Liverpool Street/Southend Victoria”, with a longer blank space where the TOC name would be, so I guess the Greater Anglia branding is already being removed in that way. I wonder if they’ll replace it with “Great British Railways Anglia”, which is a bit of a mouthful, or “GBR Anglia”, or “GBR”, or just not put in a new TOC name. They don’t really need a TOC name in this case, because it’ll be the same TOC name for the 2 lines going to Southend, so it doesn’t provide a useful distinction in terms of which tickets are valid - but there will be a useful name difference between, say, Anglia and Great Northern going between London and Cambridge.
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