First Rail Stirling (Lumo) Rolling Stock

[Amos390]

Do we know if the 222s can run at the higher MU speeds or the non-EPS speeds? Apologies if already been covered.

Believe it’s 110 on the slows at the moment, but I believe Lumo may have put in a request for 125 like Avanti did with their Everos

 

[FGW_Lad]

Believe it’s 110 on the slows at the moment, but I believe Lumo may have put in a request for 125 like Avanti did with their Everos

Ah thanks for confirming, have been looking everywhere but couldn’t see it confirmed! Would make sense that they are applying for the MU speeds, especially the parent company being First.

 

[D9006]

When lumo get their new bi-modes 805s I guess, whats plans with 222s

 

[Steddenm]

When lumo get there new bi-modes 805s I guess, whats plans with 222s

ScotRail are having them apparently. They may be shuffled about from 6 car to 5 though.

 

[800001]

When lumo get their new bi-modes 805s I guess, whats plans with 222s

What 805s? They do not have any on order for the Lumo Stirling services do they?

They have 14 units on order, for the Carmarthen service, with the remainder to go to Lumo East Coast and Hull Trains if I remember correctly?

 

[Amos390]

When lumo get their new bi-modes 805s I guess, whats plans with 222s

I’ve heard that they’ll keep 601-605 for use on other routes they may make that aren’t electrified, and that they have some ideas on the drawing board (can’t remember what though, I think something to the south-east of London maybe)

 

[hexagon789]

ScotRail are having them apparently. They may be shuffled about from 6 car to 5 though.

Logical home for them really.

They may keep them as 6s, given they'll have the three spare intermediates they could have nine 6-car sets potentially and they would fit anywhere a 2+5 HST can.

 

[JCO1406]

They have 14 units on order, for the Carmarthen service, with the remainder to go to Lumo East Coast and Hull Trains if I remember correctly?

Does anyone know when these are expected? I’m assuming it will be a mix of 802s and 803s instead of a new 80x variant?

 

[D9006]

ScotRail are having them apparently. They may be shuffled about from 6 car to 5 though.

With the 222s from EMR going to Scotland , will they not have more than required to replace HSTs

 

[43102EMR]

ScotRail are having them apparently. They may be shuffled about from 6 car to 5 though.

Lumo are keeping them as far as I’m aware. Even once replaced on the Stirling route they’ll likely be used on other proposed routes

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

ScotRail are having them apparently. They may be shuffled about from 6 car to 5 though.

Apparently? according to who?

 

[cj_1985]

Lumo are keeping them as far as I’m aware. Even once replaced on the Stirling route they’ll likely be used on other proposed routes

that's certainly as I understand it from what's been suggested in the press.
At present they'll be used on the WCML route... IF they can secure a longer term track access agreement, they'll order Hitachi units for the route... with the 222s transferred to a Cardiff to York route (again) if they can a secure Track access agreement

 

[Clarence Yard]

That’s the plan.

 

[Tilting007]

Believe it’s 110 on the slows at the moment, but I believe Lumo may have put in a request for 125 like Avanti did with their Everos

The 222s can run at MU, all signed for for testing and then passenger use prior to service introduction. With the MU only going to Weaver, it is PS north of there…

 

[Peter0124]

Does anyone know what mobile phone coverage is like on these units? Thinking of taking them to London as a cheaper alternative to Avanti, but I've heard the 222s are akin to faraday cages.

 

[Trainman40083]

Does anyone know what mobile phone coverage is like on these units? Thinking of taking them to London as a cheaper alternative to Avanti, but I've heard the 222s are akin to faraday cages.

Well I found them better than the Cross Country units, when I caught them on the St Pancras service.. but not by much..

 

[MCR247]

Does anyone know what mobile phone coverage is like on these units? Thinking of taking them to London as a cheaper alternative to Avanti, but I've heard the 222s are akin to faraday cages.

They are and they don’t have the cell repeater/boosters that Virgin fitted to the 221s and 390s. Not sure if it has been upgraded but the EMT(R) wifi was always pretty unreliable at best

 

[dosxuk]

I'd go further and say unusable at best. Phone signal is also atrocious on the 222's. Consider it to be part of the no-frills airline journey experience and expect no contact with the outside world while travelling.

 

[Bletchleyite]

They appear to be about to install Starlink based wifi though, so that may be rather better!

Lumo to introduce starlink wifi across east coast fleet

www.lumo.co.uk

Leading open access rail operator Lumo is set to introduce revolutionary next-generation Starlink Wi-Fi technology across its 100% electric East Coast Main Line trains this Autumn, marking a significant step forward in onboard connectivity for customers travelling between London King’s Cross, Stevenage, Newcastle, Morpeth, Edinburgh Falkirk and Glasgow.

Starlink provides high-speed, low-latency satellite internet designed to deliver connectivity anywhere, from remote rural areas to dense urban environments. It utilises a network of low Earth orbit (LEO) satellites and reliable antennas.

Working in partnership with train manufacturer, Hitachi, integrated connectivity provider Icomera and rolling stock lease provider Beacon Rail, Lumo will fit the advanced satellite-enabled internet system designed to provide faster, more reliable connectivity throughout customer journeys.

Only East Coast for now but I expect it will make its way west in due course if successful.

 

[Nippy]

222603 was seen on Wembley Intercity Depot today when I was at work.

 

[dan4291]

Looks like 222603 is getting its first run in service today. According to Real Time Trains it's been allocated a path from Wembley then to 1S03 1636 to Stirling.

 

[Merle Haggard]

Possibly too much detail; but does the re-seating involve moving the seat reservation status indicators in the luggage racks? And do the former first areas, now standard, retain the individual lights below the luggage racks? (There was an MF converted to MC by MML long ago which retained the latter in the former first class, so it might be more complicated.
Is this perhaps minor detail a major task to change?

 

[Russel]

Is there a thread discussing Lumo West Coast's services, i.e. what they are actually running at the moment?

Lost track of where they are at...

 

[lrbvoyager]

Is there a thread discussing Lumo West Coast's services, i.e. what they are actually running at the moment?

Lost track of where they are at...

One return a day

 

[hexagon789]

Is there a thread discussing Lumo West Coast's services, i.e. what they are actually running at the moment?

Lost track of where they are at...

One each way Mon-Fri, though weekend services were meant to be running now and are apparently running this weekend.

Supposed to go to two services each way from the 19th.

 

[dan4291]

Is there a thread discussing Lumo West Coast's services, i.e. what they are actually running at the moment?

Lost track of where they are at...

Lumo's website timetable page has all the information on what West Coast services are running and when.

Lumo: Train Timetable | Plan your Journey

www.lumo.co.uk

 

[Russel]

Lumo's website timetable page has all the information on what West Coast services are running and when.

Lumo: Train Timetable | Plan your Journey

www.lumo.co.uk

It also states to "Please check our journey planner to see which services are running." which does cast doubt over the information on that page...

 

[Roger B]

Looks like 222603 is getting its first run in service today. According to Real Time Trains it's been allocated a path from Wembley then to 1S03 1636 to Stirling.

Could anyone kindly provide the set-formation for 603 - and 602, if known?

Many thanks

 

[mikestone1952]

222603 showing on RTT as five cars, so I went to the trouble of watching 1S03 yesterday on railcam and it was six cars, and the discussion on there also seemed to confirm that 222601 had gone to Central Rivers.

 

[Defiance149]

Could anyone kindly provide the set-formation for 603

222603 is 60163, 60446, 60563, 60623, 60553, 60243