First Rail Stirling (Lumo) Rolling Stock

[DaveyJones]

Looks like the ECS never left Barton-under-Needwood. Was scheduled for an 06:07 departure.

It was still there at 07:15

 

[InvHst]

Apparently return working scheduled to run....

 

[CR165022]

Apparently return working scheduled to run....

222601 got allocated to it but it's now been cancelled too anyway

 

[InvHst]

222601 got allocated to it but it's now been cancelled too anyway

Oh deary me

 

[dk1]

222601 got allocated to it but it's now been cancelled too anyway

One of those days.

 

[DaveyJones]

There's a path from Central Rivers tomorrow (Monday 1st June) to Carlisle where 222601 should pick up the service path to Euston (1M01).

Realtime Trains | 5Z01 0607 Barton Under Needwood Rsmd to Carlisle | 01/06/2026

Real-time train running information for 5Z01 0607 departure from Barton Under Needwood Rsmd to Carlisle on 01/06/2026. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

There's also a path from Widnes to Central Rivers on the same day which should be the next refurbished unit, 222603 based on earlier posts in this thread.

Realtime Trains | 5Z95 1508 Widnes Transport Tech to Barton Under Needwood Rsmd | 01/06/2026

Real-time train running information for 5Z95 1508 departure from Widnes Transport Tech to Barton Under Needwood Rsmd on 01/06/2026. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

The Widnes - Central Rivers path doesn't seem to have left either

 

[LancasterRed]

Lumo's website says it is cancelled throughout with either road replacement transport or ticket acceptance in place on alternative services.

Nothing about the return London to Stirling working mind you.

I'll be on the return London to Stirling (as far as Preston) - Avanti have had to step in to get people home

 

[scosutsut]

Is this and the thread on EMR's issues with the class 222s an indication that these things coming to ScotRail will be an absolute goat rodeo and things will be worse than with the HSTs! Certainly the 222 threads on this forum do not fill me with hope for the future with regards the inter7city services!

Hopefully ScotRail's more extensive sounding refurb will handle a lot of it, and recent painful experience in taking on and learning a new fleet (when they took the HSTs on) will influence how good a support package they take on and how realistic they are about introducing them to traffic.

Removing them from Hitachi's care will help no end too as that seems to be the root cause of all the issues.

 

[LancasterRed]

I'll be on the return London to Stirling (as far as Preston) - Avanti have had to step in to get people home

Needless to say, 1S82 (Euston to Glasgow, 9 car) that's going 6 minutes before the cancelled Lumo is rammed

 

[lrbvoyager]

Needless to say, 1S82 (Euston to Glasgow, 9 car) that's going 6 minutes before the cancelled Lumo is rammed

Oh no! I bet avanti are already demented with Lumo. I suppose LNER won’t be best pleased either!

 

[class 9]

Is there a thread about XC getting more Vomiters?

A business case was submited earlier this year to the DfT for the remaining 5 units that are still off lease, the company is stll waiting for a response.

 

[InvHst]

Extra VST path was put in for 1710 departure to Polmadie however hasn't moved as yet......

 

[lrbvoyager]

So is it safe to assume that tomorrows services will be cancelled aswell?

 

[InvHst]

And that paths now been cancelled! Don't know how true but apparently might be a few more days of issues

 

[Some guy]

It’s running now. Although extremely late

 

[cats_five]

I've lost track. What has caused all the cancellations of a new, trumpeted, service?

 

[GW43125]

I've lost track. What has caused all the cancellations of a new, trumpeted, service?

They have only one unit available at present. 222s haven't exactly been famed for their reliability recently, so it has, predictably, failed with no spare.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

I've lost track. What has caused all the cancellations of a new, trumpeted, service?

Their singular train is having issues.
Their second one has not yet left Widnes (where they are being refurbished and re-coloured).

No train = no service.

 

[GordonT]

Their singular train is having issues.
Their second one has not yet left Widnes (where they are being refurbished and re-coloured).

No train = no service.

So who determined that launching the service in advance of any conceivable in house backup was a great plan? And should not the infrastructure provider or rail regulator or both have been crying foul?

 

[cats_five]

Thanks both.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

So who determined that launching the service in advance of any conceivable in house backup was a great plan?

Well it worked on day 1 to 3, just not day 4, now it's back out today on day 8.

222601 looks to be headed out this morning, so the service should run.

 

[ScotsRail]

So is it safe to assume that tomorrows services will be cancelled aswell?

It was sat in Stirling station this morning as I passed through, it wasn't there yesterday but there was a lonely looking lady in a Yellow Lumo jacket looking lost.

 

[mikestone1952]

The move from Ditton is en route 24 hours late.

 

[Amos390]

Just noticed there appeared to be a flow run from Widnes to Central Rivers today operated by Lumo, presuming a new 222 has been sent out, which unit would this be: https://live.rail-record.co.uk/train/?c=80029&d=2026-06-02

 

[Andy Pacer]

Just noticed there appeared to be a flow run from Widnes to Central Rivers today operated by Lumo, presuming a new 222 has been sent out, which unit would this be: https://live.rail-record.co.uk/train/?c=80029&d=2026-06-02

What is a "flow run"?

 

[800001]

What is a "flow run"?

I presume just means 'path'.

 

[Amos390]

What is a "flow run"?

Yeah, flow being service, run just means run, basically saying a service operated

 

[dk1]

Yeah, flow being service, run just means run, basically saying a service operated

I have never heard it call that. I thought it was a plumbing term.

 

[Andy Pacer]

Yeah, flow being service, run just means run, basically saying a service operated

Yes, as above, a path.

 

[FGW_Lad]

Do we know if the 222s can run at the higher MU speeds or the non-EPS speeds? Apologies if already been covered.