Back in the day...

[D1511]

Friday 1st June 1984

1C87 11.10 Edinburgh - Carstairs 47327 xos BR Haymarket - Carstairs
1G53 13.03 Carstairs - Edinburgh 40168 vi LO Carstairs - Haymarket

 

[D1537]

That was what I liked about those original 20......my username is a bit of a giveaway....

I remember having 47404 on the old 1E58 FO 0005 Plymouth-York overnight from Bristol, not sure what was wrong with it but the shutters never closed and the racket under the roof at Temple Meads and New Street was excellent!

(Also, for those who remember, Butcher was the guard and accepted a Heart of England out of Bristol...)

 

[xotGD]

1C87 11.10 Edinburgh - Carstairs 47327 xos BR Haymarket - Carstairs

Haymarket somehow managed to get hold of random 47s from the other end of the country all the time.

 

[D1511]

Haymarket somehow managed to get hold of random 47s from the other end of the country all the time.

Indeed, we've mentioned this before on here. Some of these were dispatched from Millerhill when Haymarket were short, and because it was a short run to or from Carstairs, they didn't seem to bother if they had train heat or not..... You used to get pretty random things on Dundees, but it was mostly the Carstairs portions that turned up the most freakish things. As you'll see later, 327 worked around Edinburgh all the following week! They probably sent 47271 to Bath Road in exchange in the hope they'd repair it!
Motherwell used to send relief locos to Carstairs when needed too, but there wasn't a single loco with train heat allocated there! I reckon they thought that on the short hop from Carstairs to Edinburgh, there wasn't enought time for the train to cool down or heat up after the Edinburgh portion had been detached.
We were certainly the beneficiaries of their erratic loco allocations plenty of times back then anyway.....they were great times!

 

[D1511]

I remember having 47404 on the old 1E58 FO 0005 Plymouth-York overnight from Bristol, not sure what was wrong with it but the shutters never closed and the racket under the roof at Temple Meads and New Street was excellent!

I had a very similar experience on a very muggy summer night on that overnight from KX to Newcastle that left after midnight (1N20 maybe?) with 412. It roared like a 83 all the way to the Toon!

 

[D1511]

Just had a quick squizz at the old moves and gen book from May 1984, and Carstairs portions featured the following locos that month....

26002/007 (failure of 47/7)
37045
37056
37110
37119
37144
37175
37199
40028
40047
40152
40168
40192
47013
47049
47074
47125
47148
47156
47194
47203
47206
47213
47225
47241
47266
47302
47327
47333
47361
47375

as well as a bunch of ETH duffs and the occasional 47/7

 

[D1537]

Haymarket somehow managed to get hold of random 47s from the other end of the country all the time.

In 85/86 when they were very short of ScR 47s with working steam-heat, they used to kidnap LMR/ER ones that turned up north of the border and keep them. In early '86 I remember 47191 and 47213 working for weeks, and 47194 and 47205 putting in a good stint whilst being held against their will too.

 

[D1537]

I had a very similar experience on a very muggy summer night on that overnight from KX to Newcastle that left after midnight (1N20 maybe?) with 412. It roared like a 83 all the way to the Toon!

Great train! 1N12 in the early 80s, then 1N20 from 83-85, then 1N16 from 85-87, then extended to Edinburgh as 1S29 for a year before the overnights ended. Even when the MkIs ended it got Mk2a/b/c stock in the seated section.

We won't mention the night I was waiting for it at Grantham and it turned up with a no-heat 31.

 

[xotGD]

Just had a quick squizz at the old moves and gen book from May 1984, and Carstairs portions featured the following locos that month....

26002/007 (failure of 47/7)
37045
37056
37110
37119
37144
37175
37199
40028
40047
40152
40168
40192
47013
47049
47074
47125
47148
47156
47194
47203
47206
47213
47225
47241
47266
47302
47327
47333
47361
47375

as well as a bunch of ETH duffs and the occasional 47/7

There's only one word for that lot: Dreadful!

 

[D1537]

4/6/88

47331 1V51 Bolton-Paignton and the usual suspects (and the guard!) at Bristol TM
photo by Christopher Paul

47512 1O02 Birmingham NS-Bournemouth (via WCML, Kenny O, Gatwick, Hove Curve)
47662 1M88 Bournemouth-Birmingham NS
47331 1V51 Birmingham NS-Exeter SD
47288 1V12 Exeter SD-Teignmouth
47331 1E37 Teignmouth-Birmingham NS
47654 1V99 Birmingham NS-Coventry

 

[QJ]

Saturday 05 June 1976 - don't seem to have posted this before

Nedding between Plymouth and Exeter forgetting about O-levels and the heatwave found me enjoying the following haulages.

46054 GD 1E30 0810 Plymouth - Leeds (Plymouth to Newton Abbot)
45017 HO 1E20 0900 Paignton - Newcastle (Newton Abbot to Teignmouth)
45051 TO 1M00 ???? ????? - ?????? (Teignmouth to Exeter Saint Davids)
37169 TI piloting 47089 Amazon OC 1V69 0925 Birmingham New Street - Paignton (Exeter Saint Davids to Newton Abbot)
37169 TI ???? Paignton - Birmingham New Street (Newton Abbot to Exeter Saint Davids)
33204 HG 1V13 London Waterloo - Exeter Saint Davids (Exeter Central to Saint Davids)
25217 LA piloting 46029 GD 1V87 ???? Newcastle - Plymouth (Exeter Saint Davids to Newton Abbot)
D1053 LA 1B64 1515 Penzance- Bristol Temple Meads (Newton Abbot to Exeter Saint Davids)
46006 LA 1V92 ???? Edinburgh - Plymouth (Exeter Saint Davids to Newton Abbot)
D1041 LA 1B19 1735 London Paddington to Penzance (Newton Abbot to Plymouth)

A quiet day.

 

[xotGD]

What could be more natural than a Tinsley 37 at Paignton?

 

[SuspectUsual]

What could be more natural than a Tinsley 37 at Paignton?

A Saltley driver in the chair?

 

[D6130]

A Saltley driver in the chair?

 

[Harpo]

A Saltley driver in the chair?

Maybe a freight driver (Gloucester, Westbury, Tunnel?) who’d arrived with that inbound conducted west of Exeter?

 

[47403]

Ahh Mr D1537, What a great pic 47331 is a bit of a biggie, mind.you, so was 47288.
There's some superb moves to read about. Keep it going lads.

 

[D1511]

Apologies, I've been away, so I'll do yesterday as well

Friday 4th June 1982
1E21 17.10 Edinburgh - Newcastle 47409 xd GD Edinburgh - Berwick
1S15 17.16 Newcastle - Edinburgh 40158 xi LO Berwick - Edinburgh

Monday 4th June 1984
1C87 11.10 Edinburgh - Carstairs 47564 xe CF Edinburgh - Carstairs
1G53 Carstairs - Edinburgh 47327 xos BR Carstairs - Edinburgh (again!)

Saturday 5th June 1982
1S12 08.36 York - Aberdeen 47411 xd GD Edinburgh - Dundee
1G80 13.50 Aberdeen - Edinburgh 47557 xe GD Dundee - Edinburgh
1E21 17.10 Edinburgh - Newcastle 47557 xe GD Edinburgh - Berwick
1S51 15.12 Scarborough - Glasgow QS 40074 xb HM Berwick - Edinburgh

 

[Peter Sarf]

Saturday 05 June 1976 - don't seem to have posted this before

Nedding between Plymouth and Exeter forgetting about O-levels and the heatwave found me enjoying the following haulages.

46054 GD 1E30 0810 Plymouth - Leeds (Plymouth to Newton Abbot)
45017 HO 1E20 0900 Paignton - Newcastle (Newton Abbot to Teignmouth)
45051 TO 1M00 ???? ????? - ?????? (Teignmouth to Exeter Saint Davids)
37169 TI piloting 47089 Amazon OC 1V69 0925 Birmingham New Street - Paignton (Exeter Saint Davids to Newton Abbot)
37169 TI ???? Paignton - Birmingham New Street (Newton Abbot to Exeter Saint Davids)
33204 HG 1V13 London Waterloo - Exeter Saint Davids (Exeter Central to Saint Davids)
25217 LA piloting 46029 GD 1V87 ???? Newcastle - Plymouth (Exeter Saint Davids to Newton Abbot)
D1053 LA 1B64 1515 Penzance- Bristol Temple Meads (Newton Abbot to Exeter Saint Davids)
46006 LA 1V92 ???? Edinburgh - Plymouth (Exeter Saint Davids to Newton Abbot)
D1041 LA 1B19 1735 London Paddington to Penzance (Newton Abbot to Plymouth)

A quiet day.

Awww, two magic numbers there for me.

I so badly miss the thousands.

 

[xotGD]

Friday 4th June 1982
1E21 17.10 Edinburgh - Newcastle 47409 xd GD Edinburgh - Berwick
1S15 17.16 Newcastle - Edinburgh 40158 xi LO Berwick - Edinburgh

We swapped trains - I did:

40158 Newcastle - Chathill 1S15
47409 Chathill - Newcastle 1E21

 

[xotGD]

Saturday 5th June 1982

1S51 15.12 Scarborough - Glasgow QS 40074 xb HM Berwick - Edinburgh

I missed out on that, but there was another 40 up that bit of the ECML that afternoon...

40015 Newcastle - Cramlington 1S15

 

[D1511]

We swapped trains - I did:

40158 Newcastle - Chathill 1S15
47409 Chathill - Newcastle 1E21

We seem to have been on the same services a lot.......although quite rarely at the same time!

I missed out on that, but there was another 40 up that bit of the ECML that afternoon...

40015 Newcastle - Cramlington 1S15

It was about a 50/50 split amongst our lot on the platform at Berwick.

*Sigh*.......the days when you could choose which 40 to take.......

 

[D1537]

Fri 6 June 1986

Having arrived at Crewe on the York mails with 47538, jumped on the Holyhead to go home for a wash and brush up before another overnight on the Friday. Woke up in London.

81005 1A04 Crewe-Euston
43026+43033 1B?? Paddington-Reading
47429 1M03 Reading-Coventry

Finally made it.

47615 1M14 Coventry-Crewe
47545 1O12 Crewe-Oxford
47629 1M63 Oxford-Stockport

 

[Johnnie2Sheds]

Awww, two magic numbers there for me.

I so badly miss the thousands.

Me too chap. Just think if we had had realtime trains with us in the 1970s. We could have halved the wasted milage.

 

[The exile]

Just had a quick squizz at the old moves and gen book from May 1984, and Carstairs portions featured the following locos that month....

26002/007 (failure of 47/7)
37045
37056
37110
37119
37144
37175
37199
40028
40047
40152
40168
40192
47013
47049
47074
47125
47148
47156
47194
47203
47206
47213
47225
47241
47266
47302
47327
47333
47361
47375

as well as a bunch of ETH duffs and the occasional 47/7

Inspired by your apparent encyclopaedic knowledge of the portion workings, I'm going to be cheeky - do you (or does anyone else) happen to know what worked any of the following:

13/5/1977: 14.55 Edinburgh - Carstairs
15/5/1977: 15.40 C - E
3/8/1977: 09.36 E - C
17/11/1978: 17.35 E - C
19/11/1978: 20.20 C - E
27/03/1979: 09.53 E - C (may have run through to Carlisle as Penmanshiel diversion)
05/04/1979: Carstairs - E leg of 09.30 Euston - Edinburgh
15/08/1979: 16.24 C - E
15/07/1980: 07.17 E - C
30/5/1981: 1C90 07.17 E - C
2/6/1981: 17.12 C - E
6/6/1981: 1C90 07.17 E - C
6/6/1981: 19.35 C - E
8/6/1981: 07.30 E - C
8/6/1981: 19.40 C - E
30/10/1981: 1C87 E - C
21/07/1982: 07.06 E - C
06/01/1983: 18.13 C - E
09/06/1990: 1M12 23.05 E - C

Suspect they were all "run of the mill" - hence not recorded - but what was "run of the mill" 40+ years ago looks different from today!

Thanks in advance if anyone can assist.

 

[D1511]

Inspired by your apparent encyclopaedic knowledge of the portion workings, I'm going to be cheeky - do you (or does anyone else) happen to know what worked any of the following:

13/5/1977: 14.55 Edinburgh - Carstairs
15/5/1977: 15.40 C - E
3/8/1977: 09.36 E - C
17/11/1978: 17.35 E - C
19/11/1978: 20.20 C - E
27/03/1979: 09.53 E - C (may have run through to Carlisle as Penmanshiel diversion)
05/04/1979: Carstairs - E leg of 09.30 Euston - Edinburgh
15/08/1979: 16.24 C - E
15/07/1980: 07.17 E - C
30/5/1981: 1C90 07.17 E - C
2/6/1981: 17.12 C - E
6/6/1981: 1C90 07.17 E - C
6/6/1981: 19.35 C - E
8/6/1981: 07.30 E - C
8/6/1981: 19.40 C - E
30/10/1981: 1C87 E - C
21/07/1982: 07.06 E - C
06/01/1983: 18.13 C - E
09/06/1990: 1M12 23.05 E - C

Suspect they were all "run of the mill" - hence not recorded - but what was "run of the mill" 40+ years ago looks different from today!

Thanks in advance if anyone can assist.

There are a few books missing, and 1977 and 1990 are too early and late for me, respectively, but I will take a look for 1980-1983. I quite often find things that aren't in railgen from that era.

 

[The exile]

There are a few books missing, and 1977 and 1990 are too early and late for me, respectively, but I will take a look for 1980-1983. I quite often find things that aren't in railgen from that era.

Thank you!

 

[Ant1966]

Keep meaning to post on this thread with the one and only 'big trip' that Ive kept any records for! Covers a lot of the country with some epic overnights.

A few days out of date (always away on hols early June it seems) and mostly spotting with a few haulages noted (no idea of train headcodes etc.) so a little different from the rest of the thread! Hope Ok Mods (if not feel free to put into a new thread)

Hope of interest to someone, if only to marvel at the variety and number of locos around. For some reason Ive noted the times very accurately, but not the details of the trains taken. No idea why.
Anyway, here goes; end of term trip after my 1st year at Bristol Uni in June 1985 with a mate called Andy from Cov. Will note tickets bought (and costs!) at end of the 5 days.

Monday 3rd June 1985

Bristol TM 21:00
08819/483/900/935
31273/452/231
33031/025/012/007
37227/129
43023/151/126/029
47489/257/086
50022
56036/047
Depart 21:20 Haulage 33007

passing
STJ 21:44
09654/848/951/778
25245/173
31245/284
37241/293
47240/285/320/351
45033

passing
Newport 21:54
08354/444
37253

Cardiff Central arr 22:12
08940
25089
31154
33048/031/006/015
37303/235/165/217/294/239/244/214/149/218/304/197/167/204/142/210/251/231/179/189/205
43027/179/016/148/037/130/126/029/018
47152/193/532/238/060/236/328/347/130/068/589/119/628/287/285/242/557
56054/038/050/053

Depart 05:34 Haulage 33006

 

[xotGD]

Keep meaning to post on this thread with the one and only 'big trip' that Ive kept any records for! Covers a lot of the country with some epic overnights.

A few days out of date (always away on hols early June it seems) and mostly spotting with a few haulages noted (no idea of train headcodes etc.) so a little different from the rest of the thread! Hope Ok Mods (if not feel free to put into a new thread)

Hope of interest to someone, if only to marvel at the variety and number of locos around. For some reason Ive noted the times very accurately, but not the details of the trains taken. No idea why.
Anyway, here goes; end of term trip after my 1st year at Bristol Uni in June 1985 with a mate called Andy from Cov. Will note tickets bought (and costs!) at end of the 5 days.

Monday 3rd June 1985

Bristol TM 21:00
08819/483/900/935
31273/452/231
33031/025/012/007
37227/129
43023/151/126/029
47489/257/086
50022
56036/047
Depart 21:20 Haulage 33007

passing
STJ 21:44
09654/848/951/778
25245/173
31245/284
37241/293
47240/285/320/351
45033

passing
Newport 21:54
08354/444
37253

Cardiff Central arr 22:12
08940
25089
31154
33048/031/006/015
37303/235/165/217/294/239/244/214/149/218/304/197/167/204/142/210/251/231/179/189/205
43027/179/016/148/037/130/126/029/018
47152/193/532/238/060/236/328/347/130/068/589/119/628/287/285/242/557
56054/038/050/053

Depart 05:34 Haulage 33006

Great stuff - thanks for posting.

Looking forward to the rest of the trip...

 

[Ant1966]

Tuesday 4th June 1985

Cardiff Central Depart 05:34 Haulage 33006

passing
Hereford 06:38
08481
37225

Shrewsbury arr 07:42
20080/094
25032/285/051/064
40013
47555/618
dep 07:50 Haulage DMU

passing
Wrexham 08:55
47196

Chester arr 09:55?
08635
25195
31259
45112
47240,225,233,559,564,440
dep 10:42 Haulage 45112

Warrington BQ arr 11:15
08884/838/688
20164/142/194/140/197/136/158/001/016/060/160/133/134
25190/072/209/181/315/325
31176/125
45142/127
47135/326/545/371/359/142/377/050/352/196/339/254/564/366
56085/090/071/072
81002/004/008
85032/019/018
86004/426/237/224/229/223/204/253/236/209/255/102/103/311
87019/028/015/023/027/003/007/034/010/022/032
dep 17:09 Haulage 47545

Manchester Victoria arr 17:45
08676
25034/109
31160/198
37010/238
45138/001/128
47436/095/529/545
56090
dep 19:10 Haulage DMU

Wigan Wallgate arr 20:00
walk to
Wigan NW
08815
25078
45131
47191/417
86208/248/322
87024
dep 20:47 Haulage 86208

Preston arr 21:01
08925
47012/472/447/444/501/546
81004/012
86005/311/038/034/250/036
87019/009/027
56072
dep 22:30 Haulage 87009

Carlisle arr 23:51
08808/912/844
25259/303
20117/169
26025/038
27060/050
31290
37097
40122
47283/599/422/623/221
81022/012/002
85019/035/038
86323/031/006/312/241/039/035
87023/019/008/003/027
dep 05:16 Haulage 86103

 

[xotGD]

47555

Just had to crop up somewhere!