Locomotive Services Fleet (LSL) updates

[50002Superb]

Just passing Long Eaton

 

[Scotrail344Lad]

Just passing Long Eaton

Lovely weather for it!

 

[50002Superb]

They looked and sounded great although I’m not sure those on board would have heard that much!?

 

[neil65]

LSL/Saphos have fitted aircon to a Mk1 coach. It's the first time aircon has been fitted to a Mk1. As a result the sliding windows have all been sealed to prevent them from being opened. This is a trial they are running with this one coach. If it works they will roll it out to all the Mk1s. So the days of opening windows on Saphos tours may be coming to an end.

 

[xotGD]

LSL/Saphos have fitted aircon to a Mk1 coach. It's the first time aircon has been fitted to a Mk1. As a result the sliding windows have all been sealed to prevent them from being opened. This is a trial they are running with this one coach. If it works they will roll it out to all the Mk1s. So the days of opening windows on Saphos tours may be coming to an end.

The most retrograde step imaginable.

 

[Isle of Mull]

LSL/Saphos have fitted aircon to a Mk1 coach. It's the first time aircon has been fitted to a Mk1. As a result the sliding windows have all been sealed to prevent them from being opened. This is a trial they are running with this one coach. If it works they will roll it out to all the Mk1s. So the days of opening windows on Saphos tours may be coming to an end.

Perhaps the most stupid decision for money ever

 

[CW2]

I can only assume this is the work of a marketing manager who feels people will find the old rolling stock more attractive if they fit air conditioning.

For a very significant portion of the market, the attraction of the stock is the fresh air opening windows, with the ability to hear the loco performance.

This is a truly terrible idea.

 

[Harpo]

LSL doesn’t seem that bothered with the diesel enthusiast sector anyway given the number of times they’ve operated excursions that would have been superb railtours outright if the traction had been advertised up front.

 

[Nym]

Perhaps the most stupid decision for money ever

Since when are LSL ever “not stupid” with money?

 

[Rail Quest]

LSL/Saphos have fitted aircon to a Mk1 coach. It's the first time aircon has been fitted to a Mk1. As a result the sliding windows have all been sealed to prevent them from being opened. This is a trial they are running with this one coach. If it works they will roll it out to all the Mk1s. So the days of opening windows on Saphos tours may be coming to an end.

Wait a minute, doesn't this revert the very appeal of using MK1s? I can see the benefits on the really hot days (provided the reliability of said air con over 30 degrees is sufficient), but for most of the year, the opening windows are exactly what I want to hear the sounds of the leading loco, whether it be steam or diesel.

Is it possible this is a safety thing? Perhaps the ORR are trying to look into ways to get rid of all opening windows of this sort.

 

[Isle of Mull]

Is it possible this is a safety thing? Perhaps the ORR are trying to look into ways to get rid of all opening windows of this sort.

surely a small bar on the window or window only letting it open slightly can fix this

 

[amahy]

Is it possible this is a safety thing? Perhaps the ORR are trying to look into ways to get rid of all opening windows of this sort.

And of course, we all know that a 25+ degree sealed tube with no ventilation at all is extremely safe, and does not cause passengers to pass out at all!

On a more serious note, this is essentially what passengers will be subjected to when the air-con inevitably fails.

 

[37069]

LSL/Saphos have fitted aircon to a Mk1 coach. It's the first time aircon has been fitted to a Mk1. As a result the sliding windows have all been sealed to prevent them from being opened. This is a trial they are running with this one coach. If it works they will roll it out to all the Mk1s. So the days of opening windows on Saphos tours may be coming to an end.

Do you know which vehicle?

 

[Chris125]

Seems those onboard worked out how to open the windows, we'll have to see if this is allowed going forward.

 

[neil65]

Seems those onboard worked out how to open the windows, we'll have to see if this is allowed going forward.

If LSL deem it, i imagine a more permenant way of sealing the windows shut will be found

 

[Iskra]

If LSL deem it, i imagine a more permenant way of sealing the windows shut will be found

I think even the regular Saphos customers will be unimpressed by that. I can’t see it having a positive effect on bookings at all. People are paying big money for an authentic experience, and that isn’t it.

 

[HertiageFan]

47712 is assisting 60007 today. 60007 will swap for 47805.

 

[neil65]

I think even the regular Saphos customers will be unimpressed by that. I can’t see it having a positive effect on bookings at all. People are paying big money for an authentic experience, and that isn’t it.

I sincerely hope they do not go down this road Mk 1’s are meant to have opening windows!!

 

[Mainliner]

Seems those onboard worked out how to open the windows

…which shows what the customers thought of the trial, and that at least a proportion of them would likely not remain customers if all windows were permanently sealed.

 

[Chris125]

…which shows what the customers thought of the trial, and that at least a proportion of them would likely not remain customers if all windows were permanently sealed.

There are definitely times when the heat in a mk1 can be totally excessive, and if the ORR insist on restricting window opening even further it may be unavoidable. Hopefully some kind of compromise can be found where it's only used above a certain temperature threshold, or at certain times maybe?

 

[47286Dan]

Sunday afternoon movements

47712 LSLO B LYDEARD 835Z071K31 E CREWE HS N
98898 (SNG) LSLS B LYDEARD 835Z071K31 E CREWE HS N
Support coach: 35465

47805 LSLO WOLVHMPTN 655Z101M31 E CREWE HS N
Coaches
3091 3140 1666 3107 3125 3148 3100 80044 3122 3045 17013

Dan

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Wednesday morning movements

37667 LSLO CARLSLTMD 095Z211B03 E CREWE HS N
With 121022

98832 LSLO CREWE 421Z451A03 U CARLISLE N
57302 LSLO CREWE 421Z451A03 U CARLISLE N

47805 LSLO CREWE HS 425Z471D03 E DONCWSTYD N
47810 LSLO CREWE HS 425Z471D03 E DONCWSTYD N

Dan

 

[Jacob Porrett]

Sunday afternoon movements

47712 LSLO B LYDEARD 835Z071K31 E CREWE HS N
98898 (SNG) LSLS B LYDEARD 835Z071K31 E CREWE HS N
Support coach: 35465

47805 LSLO WOLVHMPTN 655Z101M31 E CREWE HS N
Coaches
3091 3140 1666 3107 3125 3148 3100 80044 3122 3045 17013

Dan

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Wednesday morning movements

37667 LSLO CARLSLTMD 095Z211B03 E CREWE HS N
With 121022

98832 LSLO CREWE 421Z451A03 U CARLISLE N
57302 LSLO CREWE 421Z451A03 U CARLISLE N

47805 LSLO CREWE HS 425Z471D03 E DONCWSTYD N
47810 LSLO CREWE HS 425Z471D03 E DONCWSTYD N

Dan

Which loco is doing runs from Crewe to Hereford and back today please?

 

[47286Dan]

Which loco is doing runs from Crewe to Hereford and back today please?

0Z32/0Z33 not allocated yet

Dan

 

[Jacob Porrett]

0Z32/0Z33 not allocated yet

Dan

Please let me know when you know

Kind regards.

 

[47286Dan]

Thursday morning tour

47805 LSLO PETERBORO 451Z471604 U WEYMOUTH N
47810 LSLO PETERBORO 451Z471604 U WEYMOUTH N
Coaches
3344, 1863, 3426, 3312, 3438, 80043, 3231, 3229, 17056

Dan

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LSL movement today

37403 RAJV CARLISLE 091Z451606 U * OBAN N
45118 LSLO CARLISLE 091Z451606 U OBAN N
Coaches
3150, 3115, 3096, 1730, 3112, 35185, 1859, 4856, 4832

Dan

 

[D9016_Highland]

Does anyone know what's happening with 40012? Last I heard it had been moved to Crewe but that was in December and I've not heard anything since.

 

[Supercoss]

Currently at Swietelsky HN Rail traction depot at Worksop

 

[Isle of Mull]

Currently at Swietelsky HN Rail traction depot at Worksop

Will it be returned to the mainline do you know

 

[Supercoss]

Last viewed it on May 29th, didn’t have group standard headlight or current style OLE warning stickers so some work to be done externally - in cab status, radio fitment , data recorder , TPWS fitment etc not known but it is in the dry undercover always a bonus.

 

[Forty29]

Correct me if I'm wrong but 40012 is owned by Andania Engineering, don't think part of LSL?
I heard some financial irregularities over the sale from the former owner but not sure what's going on to tbh.