Locomotive Services Fleet (LSL) updates

[fgwrich]

As the LSL Fleet ever expands, and as various posts are spread across several different threads, I thought it's worth creating this thread to keep track of LSLs mainline diesel and electric fleet, stock movements and repaints etc.

Class 08:
08493 - Ex GWR BR Black livery.
D3905 / 08737 - BR Green
08780 - Blue.

Class 20:
D8096 / 20096 - BR Green.
D8107 / 20107 - BR Green.
20118 - BR Railfreight
20132 - BR Railfreight

Class 37:
37401 - BR ScotRail
37409 - BR ScotRail
37521 - LNWR Lined Black
37667 - LNWR Lined Black


Class 40:
40013 - BR Green.

Class 43:
43046 - Blue Pullman Nanking Blue + White. Purchased from Porterbrook.
43049 - Blue Pullman Nanking Blue + White. Purchased from Porterbrook.
43050 -
Blue Pullman Nanking Blue + White. Purchased from Porterbrook.
43055 - Blue Pullman Nanking Blue + White. Purchased from Porterbrook.
43058 - Blue Pullman Nanking Blue + White. Purchased from Porterbrook.
43059 -
Blue Pullman Nanking Blue + White. Purchased from Porterbrook.
43083 - Currently in EMT, Spares Donor. Purchased from Porterbrook. At Eastleigh and undergoing scrapping.

Class 45:
45118 - BR Blue

Class 47:
D1944 / 47501 - BR Two Tone Green. Stored, Damaged after a traction motor fire and due to head to Margate.
47593 (790) - BR Intercity Mainline (undergoing overhaul)
47712 - BR ScotRail. On hire from Crewe Diesel Preservation Group
D1935 / 47805 - BR Two Tone Green
D1924 / 47810 - BR Two Tone Green
D1645 / 47830 - BR Two Tone Green
D1733 / 47853 - BR Monastral Blue (undergoing overhaul)

Class 55:
D9000 / 55022 - BR Green

Class 57
57002 - LNWR Lined Black. Named “Winston Churchill”
57003 - BR Trainload Freight (early RFD). Named “Inter City Railway Society 50th Anniversary”
57302 - LNWR Lined Black
57308 - Unbranded DRS Blue “Lady Penelope”
37311 - LNWR Lined Black

Class 86:
86101 - Intercity Swallow

Class 87:
87002 - Intercity Swallow

Class 90:
90001 - Intercity Swallow
90002 - LNWR Lined Black. Now named "Wolf of Badenoch" (previously carried on 87027).
90026 - LNWR Lined Black

Class 121:
121022 - BR Carmine and Cream / Flora / Bar Car.
121034 - BR Green.

Class 141:
141108 - Stored at Eastleigh

Class 142:
142003 - GMPTE Orange, at Crewe
142007 - Regional Railways NW, at Eastleigh

Locomotive support coaches - BR carmine & cream
17015 (71000) - Mk1
21096 (60007) - Mk1
35333 - Mk1
35451 - Mk1
35461 - Mk1
35465 - Mk1
35479 - Mk1

Saphos / Steam Dreams - BR carmine & cream
3045 - Mk1 FO
3091 - Mk1 FO
3100 - Mk1 FO
3107 - Mk1 FO
3122 - Mk1 FO
3125 - Mk1 FO
3140 - Mk1 FO
3148 - Mk1 FO
3330 - Mk1 FO
1863 - Mk1 RMB
1666 - Mk1 RBR
80044 - Mk1 RBR
17013 - Mk1 BFK

Statesman - Pullman Car style
3188 - Mk2 FO
3229 - Mk2 FO
3231 - Mk2 FO
3312 - Mk2 FO
3344 - Mk2 FO
3348 - Mk2 FO
3384 - Mk2 FO
3426 - Mk2 FO
3438 - Mk2 FO
80043 - Mk1 RMB
17056 - Mk2 BFK

Mk. 1s & 2s - misc
1211 - Pullman car
5366 - carmine & cream
5912 - Pullman car
5991 - carmine & cream
9479 - Pullman car
13227 - carmine & cream
6311 - carmine & cream

Chairman's Train - dark red & cream except *
6705
6706
6707
6708
10519
10520
46014
Pegasus
99993
9004 (stored, LSL Southall) - *GWR chocolate & cream
35467

InterCity / ScotRail
11066 - Scotrail - Mk3 FO
11068 - Mk3 FO
11070 - Mk3 FO
11075 - Mk3 FO
11076 - Mk3 FO
11077 - Mk3 FO
11082 - Scotrail - Mk3 FO
11087 - Scotrail - Mk3 FO
11091 - Mk3 FO
11098 - Mk3 FO
10212 - Mk3 RFM
10404 - Scotrail - Mk3 TSOB
10411 - Mk3 TSOB
10416 - Mk3 TSOB
12111 - Scotrail - Mk3 FO
12171 - Scotrail - Mk3 FO
9513 - Mk2 BSO
9707 - Scotrail - Mk2 DBSO
17159 - Mk2 BFK
82127 - Mk3 DVT
82139 - Mk3 DVT

Blue Pullman (All HST Mk3s)
41059
41108
41149
41160
41166
41169
41176
41182
41183
41187
40801
40802
40804
44078
44081

Barrier vehicles - plain dark blue (Mk1)
6393
6394

Mk3 Sleepers:

10520 - Blood and Custard

10504, 10513, 10519, 10648, 10650, 10683, 10688

*All except as noted currently in ex First ScotRail Barbie / Caledonian Sleeper livery.


Spare Mk3 HST Vehicles:
TC - 46006, 46012
TRFB - 40808
TRSMB - 40106
TF - 41167
TS - 42319, 42583

Currently in Eastleigh are:
43083 - Spares Donor and since scrapped.
57007 - Spares Donor and since scrapped.
10416, 46006, 40808, 9804, 9809, 42319, 42353, 41167, 41208 5959, 6036,
142007

All compiled from info from Flickr / Carl Watsons website & @Phil Scott & @37069 - I will update the thread accordingly, and include the Mk1 & Mk2 fleets when and where possible!

 

[Ashley Hill]

I'm a bit ignorant of LSLs operations,what do they plan to do with all of this?

 

[fgwrich]

I'm a bit ignorant of LSLs operations,what do they plan to do with all of this?

Ultimately in the charter market, through his companies Saphos Trains & Statesman Railways.

 

[37114]

I take it the lost excludes items for JH's Margate storage centre, eg 55016?

 

[DBS92042]

Do LSL still operate 08737 and 08780? Also spotted a typo with 47593s other number, should be 47790 not 47791.

 

[47827]

A lot more carriages in the fleet than those listed of the Mk1 and Mk2 varieties including a mix of stored and operational. Apologies, I can't help with numbers but there used to be published lists floating about.

Also 47841 stored at Margate museum and an ex Freightliner 47/8 plus possibly one of the ex DRS ones still at Eastleigh were suggested as joining the fleet a while ago. Not sure on the current status of either or whether that happened though as this year has played havoc with my memory on a few things.

 

[43096]

Currently in Eastleigh are:
43083
5366
46014, 40802, 46006, 40801, 44078.

All compiled from info from Flickr / Carl Watsons website & @Phil Scott . I will update the thread accordingly, and include the Mk1 & Mk2 fleets when and where possible!

I believe 41059/108/162/169/176/182 are also at Eastleigh - arrived on 12 March.

Looking at the list of HST stock at Eastleigh, I'd surmise a first class dining rake is being assembled. Six TFs, two TRFBs, and (as a pure guess) that the two 46xxx trailer composites may be there to donate their first class seating to convert 44078 from a TGS to a TGF.

 

[357]

I believe it should be noted that the Mk3 stock is "ex Greater Anglia" (red and white) and not "ex Anglia" (green) - I'm sure you mean red and white but maybe worth an edit for the avoidance of confusion?

Thanks for putting the list together! They are getting quite the fleet

 

[CW2]

I think 20096 might be freshly repainted in Green. It does a bit of shunting on the depot at Crewe from time to time, but is too far away to be 100% sure of the number.

 

[matt]

Both 20s have reported over on wnxx as now being in Green.

Thanks to putting together a list of what they have

 

[fgwrich]

Both 20s have reported over on wnxx as now being in Green.

Thanks to putting together a list of what they have

They've moved quickly with both of those two then! Thanks all, I'll update the list accordingly. I'm aware of the Margate locos but have decided to keep this one as the mainline fleet for now.

 

[fgwrich]

I believe 41059/108/162/169/176/182 are also at Eastleigh - arrived on 12 March.

Looking at the list of HST stock at Eastleigh, I'd surmise a first class dining rake is being assembled. Six TFs, two TRFBs, and (as a pure guess) that the two 46xxx trailer composites may be there to donate their first class seating to convert 44078 from a TGS to a TGF.

Thanks for that, tiredness finally got the better of me when compiling this list this morning so I'll add those in now.

As for the Eastleigh HST rakes, It certainly would appear to be a full dining style rake. I do wonder about the 408XXs though, as a lot of them were in a pretty rough state when they left Great Western. There is also a few 407XXs which haven't made it into the scrap line and have instead found themselves to be stored undercover so I'm wondering if there will ultimately be a swap in the near future.

 

[ExRes]

Although not an LSL loco for use 60081 is still, I believe, at Toton awaiting treatment before its intended move to the Margate museum

 

[fgwrich]

List now updated to include the current Mk1 / Mk2 fleet.

 

[CW2]

It's an amazing collection of motive power. A bit heavy on ETH 47s, and no Peaks or smaller Sulzers. Lets hope we see plenty of the collection out on the main line.

 

[DBS92042]

It's an amazing collection of motive power. A bit heavy on ETH 47s, and no Peaks or smaller Sulzers. Lets hope we see plenty of the collection out on the main line.

I could be completely wrong in thinking this but is 45118 destined for LSL once its been repaired?

 

[Wyrleybart]

I could be completely wrong in thinking this but is 45118 destined for LSL once its been repaired?

Yes. I have read that too. Difficult to work out the futures of these but I was under the impression 37688 40013 45118 47712 are loans whereas 37190 I believe was a purchase. Also 47811 and 47816 bought from Freightliner for parts then breaking, whereas 47841 from the same source has been vinyled and stored at Margate alongside 55016. Perhaps 47841 has a future or maybe a parts bin too.

More unsure is the movement of HST vehicles. As "43096" suggests, it looks as though a premium rake of HST trailers is being put together at Eastleigh and maybe some of the fleet are parts donors. LSLs seem to have "processed" some Mk3s at their HQ in Crewe before despatching some to Sms at Newport. The HST trailers which were collected from Tyne Yard by 37521+37667 for example - have they been moved on since ?

Lots going on

 

[43096]

More unsure is the movement of HST vehicles. As "43096" suggests, it looks as though a premium rake of HST trailers is being put together at Eastleigh and maybe some of the fleet are parts donors. LSLs seem to have "processed" some Mk3s at their HQ in Crewe before despatching some to Sms at Newport. The HST trailers which were collected from Tyne Yard by 37521+37667 for example - have they been moved on since ?

If you mean the five vehicles from EC64 collected from Tyne Yard, they went to Crewe and subsequently to Sims, Newport on 19 March.

 

[fgwrich]

Yes. I have read that too. Difficult to work out the futures of these but I was under the impression 37688 40013 45118 47712 are loans whereas 37190 I believe was a purchase. Also 47811 and 47816 bought from Freightliner for parts then breaking, whereas 47841 from the same source has been vinyled and stored at Margate alongside 55016. Perhaps 47841 has a future or maybe a parts bin too.

I've noted the locos which are mainline operable and on loan in the list - I probably wont do the Margate fleet for now as the ownership between the 1:1 Collection / LSL / Saphos Trains all seems very fluid for now, indeed the 1:1 Website lists locos in use at Crewe but doesn't list some of the locos going to Margate. I've also not included 45118 yet for two reasons, the first being it isn't currently in the mainline operable fleet and the second - who owns it?

 

[NorthWestRover]

Last week 87 002 was doing light engine movements between Crewe and Preston. I saw it on 8th June just north of Wigan NW and I think it worked 9th and 10th too. Couple of round trips each day. Keeping drivers up to speed?

 

[Skymonster]

It's an amazing collection of motive power. A bit heavy on ETH 47s, and no Peaks or smaller Sulzers. Lets hope we see plenty of the collection out on the main line.

LSL has 45118 (which is missing from the list at the top). It is being worked on and was on the load bank at Barrow Hill a couple of weeks ago.

 

[Mollman]

Why have they only got one HST powercar? Are they planning to buy another?

 

[43096]

Why have they only got one HST powercar? Are they planning to buy another?

Because the one they are getting isn’t available yet perhaps?

 

[Wyrleybart]

If you mean the five vehicles from EC64 collected from Tyne Yard, they went to Crewe and subsequently to Sims, Newport on 19 March.

Yes "43096" it was they. Did they have anything done on them / from them in the short time they were at Crewe, or maybe just a transit stop off.

 

[fgwrich]

Yes "43096" it was they. Did they have anything done on them / from them in the short time they were at Crewe, or maybe just a transit stop off.

They would have just removed the parts they require from them before delivering them for Scrap. I'm not sure what parts, considering the amount of of Ex GW vehicles they have taken on since.

Minor amendment to the list, as Mk1 BCK 21096 is in Margate.

 

[Skymonster]

Why have they only got one HST powercar? Are they planning to buy another?

Some talk elsewhere that this is destined for Margate. It always seemed to be the plan in the past that the LSL HST would be powered by MTUs. Using VP185s would have some advantages, but would make the powercars very much loaners once the EMR fleet is retired.

 

[43096]

It always seemed to be the plan in the past that the LSL HST would be powered by MTUs.

Plan according to who? There were some mighty big assumptions by enthusiasts, but there was never any statement from LSL as to which configuration of vehicles they were taking.

 

[CW2]

Marginally off-topic, LSL steam loco 34046 "Braunton" was fired up on the depot at Crewe today. It went for a spin via Gresty and Basford Hall to turn it on the triangle, accompanied by a BSK support coach. Maybe they are working up to a main line test run some time in the next few days?

 

[47827]

Marginally off-topic, LSL steam loco 34046 "Braunton" was fired up on the depot at Crewe today. It went for a spin via Gresty and Basford Hall to turn it on the triangle, accompanied by a BSK support coach. Maybe they are working up to a main line test run some time in the next few days?

Trains resuming from Mid July so all suitable preparation will be underway by now.

 

[Mollman]

Some talk elsewhere that this is destined for Margate. It always seemed to be the plan in the past that the LSL HST would be powered by MTUs. Using VP185s would have some advantages, but would make the powercars very much loaners once the EMR fleet is retired.

Makes sense, thanks