Given its clearly computer generated (and pretty sure has done the rounds atleast once before already) this won't be the uniform and we can (hopefully!) expect something different and probably more along the lines of what TOC staff have already...
I don't think that's real.
Is this suggesting that GWR and its Sleeper service will be separated?
I think from what was said, it is just the branding on the vehicles rather than creating a new sub-brand.
I like the belt buckle! I’m not sure about the lighter shade of blue, though. And why only a clip-on tie, and not also the option for a proper one?
With a few exceptions clip-on ties have been pretty standard for front line staff for decades.
Why is Southern staying as Southern but Northern is shortened to North? That's a weird inconsistency.
Heathrow Express is an Open Access so that wouldn't be included here.
I guess they want to change the branding slightly for those 2 operators who have had a poor reputation for their train services over recent years.
All done: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/class-376-refurbishment-2025-2026.267101/page-13
Thanks!
I was thinking exactly the same. Inconsistent and doesn't immediately make any sense.
GBR uses two different shades of blue. I have no idea which shade is supposed to be the primary one.
Not part of GBR.
That was only Geoff guessing. The other blue, that appears extensively in the livery, is paler.
That's run by the Scottish Government and so is devolved like ScotRail.
The implementation of this livery is a joke. The logo isn’t in RA2 typeface. Vehicle and unit numbers are in yet another different typeface.
I do agree with him though on that darker blue being used as the main blue for the design. On the livery I think it is being treated as the "base colour" (featured extensively ofc at the front of the units and at the top of each carriage) with the lighter blue (and rest) layered ontop. It is confusing though as the darker blue features a lot more on the non-livery branding (e.g. their logo asset and the teased app mockup for example) as I'm assuming they tried to mimic the union jack colours more through the darker blue + red combo) with the lighter blue an embelishment. I guess if they release a TfL style design standards briefing set we will know for sure
Having seen 701006 yesterday the impression I got was that the lighter blue was the main blue colour, hence the confusion. There's also two shades of red, but it's clearer that the darker shade is the main one.I do agree with him though on that darker blue being used as the main blue for the design. On the livery I think it is being treated as the "base colour" (featured extensively ofc at the front of the units and at the top of each carriage) with the lighter blue (and rest) layered ontop. It is confusing though as the darker blue features a lot more on the non-livery branding (e.g. their logo asset and the teased app mockup for example) as I'm assuming they tried to mimic the union jack colours more through the darker blue + red combo) with the lighter blue an embelishment. I guess if they release a TfL style design standards briefing set we will know for sure
I love the livery but THIS you've mentioned here, is what really annoys me.
I'd have expected London Northwestern to revert to "London Midland".
I wonder if Govia has any rights to the name London Midland that would stop DfT using it.
Good point.
You probably need to align brands alongside the existing ticketing structure to begin with. All that's happening now is some minor rebranding - some changed names and paint to mark that "things are changing."
Network Rail Scotland isn't fully. It'll be interesting to see how that works out.
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