1Y17 Leeds to Nottingham 04.05.26

[dodecahedron67]

Where is the source for this information? Also, where did the latter one you quoted allegedly happen? There is nothing to suggest any ongoing investigations on the RAIB website.

Internal. I’m not publicly revealing anything more about the latter one as it’s not in the public domain.

 

[ModernRailways]

Where is the source for this information? Also, where did the latter one you quoted allegedly happen? There is nothing to suggest any ongoing investigations on the RAIB website.

RAIB don’t instantly post something, they tend to gather information then mention they’re investigating etc.
I will say the information they have given is accurate, but is internal only. It would be wrong to say anything else considering the circumstances and the potential for this incident to have been a lot worse (not just the incident train). Let the relevant bodies do their work and I am sure we will see details made public at some point.

If the back working was cancelled presumably the train would have been downloaded at Sheffield or Leeds. I think it’s useful for people to clarify whether they have the information from a reputable source or whether it is pure speculation based on, for example, messroom gossip. We all know how these things can get exaggerated, so I’m genuinely interested to see what comes of both alleged overspeeds.

195s can be downloaded remotely and contain a lot of data. The initial report gives a quick breakdown of the immediate incident and to brief staff about it without going into anything else other than what to do. The back working would be cancelled as the crew would be unfit for duty. Relief crew would go down to bring the unit back to a depot out of service.

To clarify, this situation has definitely not been exaggerated, if anything it has been the opposite.

 

[LCC106]

Thank you. This is why I asked for clarification, so we can understand that it is from a reputable source rather than the lick your finger and stick it in the air approach we sometimes get from people on here. As I say, I’ll be interested to hear if any relevant findings.

 

[pigeoncaller]

Hi all! I am the one who posted on reddit! I was quite shook up when I wrote that too. Has anyone heard anything about it since? My partner has emailed EMR but we are still waiting to hear back from them. I have honestly never been so scared in my life, it was awful. I am getting a train again next week and I am very nervous.
I remember the ticket person came down the carriages looking really shook up herself and she was telling us that 'the train collided with something'. And when we got off the train medical teams were everywhere.

 

[skyhigh]

My partner has emailed EMR

It's nothing to do with EMR, Northern were the operator and they need to contact them.

 

[LCC106]

As Skyhigh says, you would need to contact Northern. Events like this are rare. Please don’t let it make you fearful of rail travel.

 

[edwin_m]

Hi all! I am the one who posted on reddit! I was quite shook up when I wrote that too. Has anyone heard anything about it since? My partner has emailed EMR but we are still waiting to hear back from them. I have honestly never been so scared in my life, it was awful. I am getting a train again next week and I am very nervous.
I remember the ticket person came down the carriages looking really shook up herself and she was telling us that 'the train collided with something'. And when we got off the train medical teams were everywhere.

The investigators might be interested in a first hand account of what took place (enquiries@raib.gov.uk).

 

[cats_five]

Hi all! I am the one who posted on reddit! I was quite shook up when I wrote that too. Has anyone heard anything about it since? My partner has emailed EMR but we are still waiting to hear back from them. I have honestly never been so scared in my life, it was awful. I am getting a train again next week and I am very nervous.
I remember the ticket person came down the carriages looking really shook up herself and she was telling us that 'the train collided with something'. And when we got off the train medical teams were everywhere.

Can understand you feeling like that, but remember that these are very rare events and travelling by train is statistically several times safter than by car. However that's not much comfort when you encounter what is a very rare event. Safe journey next week.

 

[Tram Inn SB]

Probably shouldn't speculate this early, but it seems like an overspeeding incident to me.

Probably should speculate, but I’m going to anyway classic lol

 

[saismee]

Probably should speculate, but I’m going to anyway classic lol

Seemed more like an educated guess, and it was correct.

 

[Starmill]

Hi all! I am the one who posted on reddit! I was quite shook up when I wrote that too. Has anyone heard anything about it since? My partner has emailed EMR but we are still waiting to hear back from them. I have honestly never been so scared in my life, it was awful. I am getting a train again next week and I am very nervous.
I remember the ticket person came down the carriages looking really shook up herself and she was telling us that 'the train collided with something'. And when we got off the train medical teams were everywhere.

If you felt shaken by the experience you should absolutely ensure that you contact the operator of the train you were on, this is best done by emailing enquiries@northernrailway.co.uk.

If you still have your ticket, it would be useful for you to include a copy of this to send to them. There is no need to ask about compensation or raise a complaint (unless you feel you should have some) but I would strongly recommend just explaining what happened from your perspective and how it made you feel.

I'm very thankful to hear your party weren't injured beyond being shaken up.

 

[PupCuff]

I’ll be honest, the talk of RAIB investigating is possible but unlikely. There are enough of these happening at the moment to be a big concern nationally and often these are more serious than the ones noted in this thread which aren’t being investigated by RAIB or indeed the subject of a safety digest. Junction/TSR overspeed is one of the big operational safety priorities at the moment alongside SPADs. NR in at least one region has started issuing overspeed alerts in the same way as they do for SPADs.

 

[Geeves]

I think folks seem to be going down the conspiracy route. Internally it was reported and dealt with through the appropriate channels, an investigation has been completed and it's available for employees to read about and learn from.

If RAIB wanted/needed to be involved they would be.

 

[LCC106]

I think folks seem to be going down the conspiracy route. Internally it was reported and dealt with through the appropriate channels, an investigation has been completed and it's available for employees to read about and learn from.

If RAIB wanted/needed to be involved they would be.

Precisely. If they investigated for every one I’ve heard about locally they absolutely haven’t published anything about them! That’s not minimising anything though.

 

[ModernRailways]

I think folks seem to be going down the conspiracy route. Internally it was reported and dealt with through the appropriate channels, an investigation has been completed and it's available for employees to read about and learn from.

The investigation is not complete.
The Safety Brief posted was the basic facts from the train download (speed, PBC percentages/inputs) and then a reminder of methods to prevent distraction and hopefully prevent it reoccurring. It does give some hints to other things, such as ensuring incidents are reported but I can't/won't go into any other detail on a public forum.

If RAIB wanted/needed to be involved they would be.

RAIB is involved.

 

[Geeves]

The investigation is not complete.
The Safety Brief posted was the basic facts from the train download (speed, PBC percentages/inputs) and then a reminder of methods to prevent distraction and hopefully prevent it reoccurring. It does give some hints to other things, such as ensuring incidents are reported but I can't/won't go into any other detail on a public forum.


RAIB is involved.

Happy for the correction! That will please other posters on this thread.

 

[Amos390]

How like do u reckon until RAIB will have the report (initial or full) ready to release to the public?

 

[hexagon789]

How like do u reckon until RAIB will have the report (initial or full) ready to release to the public?

If there's important learning to be had, a so-called Safety Digest outlining the brief facts may be published in a few weeks or months and outlining immediate action(s) to be taken.

A full report could be a year or two typically, from date of incident to publication, hence the use of Safety Digests as a means to quickly outline any important steps to be taken if such action is deemed necessary during an active investigation.

 

[43096]

How like do u reckon until RAIB will have the report (initial or full) ready to release to the public?

They might decide they don't need to investigate further. Or it may be a safety digest. Or a full report. All depends on what they find.

 

[skyhigh]

RAIB investigation announced:

Train overspeeding at Trowell

Investigation into a train overspeeding at Trowell, Nottinghamshire, 4 May 2026.

www.gov.uk

Train overspeeding at Trowell
Investigation into a train overspeeding at Trowell, Nottinghamshire, 4 May 2026.

From:
Rail Accident Investigation Branch
Published
21 May 2026
At around 13:47 on 4 May 2026, the 12:09 Leeds to Nottingham service, operated by Northern, was involved in an overspeeding incident at Trowell North and South Junctions in Nottinghamshire.

At these junctions, the train was routed over five sets of points for a diverging route which had a permitted speed of 30 mph (48 km/h). The train traversed the first set of points at 70 mph (112 km/h) and was still travelling at 45 mph (72 km/h) when it reached the last set of points. The signals on the approach to the junctions were displaying the correct indications for the diverging route.

The train’s speed over the junctions caused it to lurch sideways. This led to some passengers being thrown from their seats and others falling to the floor, resulting in a number of minor injuries. The train did not derail during the incident.

Our investigation will seek to identify the sequence of events which led to the overspeeding. It will also consider:

the way in which the train was driven
any factors which may have influenced the actions of the driver of the train
the condition of the signalling system at the time of the incident
the nature of the reported injuries
any underlying management factors.
Our investigation is independent of any investigation by the railway industry or by the industry’s regulator, the Office of Rail and Road.

We will publish our findings, including any recommendations to improve safety, at the conclusion of our investigation. This report will be available on our website.

 

[Purple Train]

RAIB investigation announced:

Train overspeeding at Trowell

Investigation into a train overspeeding at Trowell, Nottinghamshire, 4 May 2026.

www.gov.uk

Interesting to note that it is yet another incident in which the applicable feather indication is horizontal.

 

[Tazi Hupefi]

Even if the signalling systems are ultimately found to be a contributing cause, some of it must at least be attributable to:

1) Training / Competence - lots of drivers retired, and we probably have more "new" drivers than for decades. Loss of experience, probably trained in very different ways too, with greater emphasis on cost/speed of getting them through the course.
2) Quality of Recruitment - I'm unconvinced psychometric tests are fit for purpose these days - some of the interview processes I've heard about are not too dissimilar to working in a shop or restaurant etc - and being shortlisted/ interviewed by non-operational staff at some of the stages, with no train driving experience.
3) Diagram formation - i.e. are staff being worked more intensively with higher fatigue?

Not like these signals and routes haven't already been around for decades in most cases - with no similar issues prior.

 

[800002]

Interesting to note that it is yet another incident in which the applicable feather indication is horizontal.

Is this routing not, though, the regular routing of this (and every other) stopping/ non-stopping passenger service between Chersterfield and Nottingham (via Ilkston)?

I thought the other recent examples were off 'normal routes / routings' that the driver(s) routinely experienced?
(Happy to be corrected / clarified).

 

[Purple Train]

Is this routing not, though, the regular routing of this (and every other) stopping/ non-stopping passenger service between Chersterfield and Nottingham (via Ilkston)?

I thought the other recent examples were off 'normal routes / routings' that the driver(s) routinely experienced?
(Happy to be corrected / clarified).

Off the top of my head, yes you're right. It just struck me as an odd coincidence.

 

[ModernRailways]

Even if the signalling systems are ultimately found to be a contributing cause, some of it must at least be attributable to:

1) Training / Competence - lots of drivers retired, and we probably have more "new" drivers than for decades. Loss of experience, probably trained in very different ways too, with greater emphasis on cost/speed of getting them through the course.
2) Quality of Recruitment - I'm unconvinced psychometric tests are fit for purpose these days - some of the interview processes I've heard about are not too dissimilar to working in a shop or restaurant etc - and being shortlisted/ interviewed by non-operational staff at some of the stages, with no train driving experience.
3) Diagram formation - i.e. are staff being worked more intensively with higher fatigue?

Not like these signals and routes haven't already been around for decades in most cases - with no similar issues prior.

The driver involved was experienced, and in no way ‘new’.

I will also say from a Northern perspective drivers aren’t ‘rushed’ through training. If anything driver training has tightened up for newer starters with much more emphasis on defensive driving and taking time versus in the past.

Fatigue and diagramming is I’m sure something that will be looked into by the RAIB, but at a guess this will simply be a reminder of fatigue management rather than any meaningful change. Diagrams and rostering are more intensive than they were in years gone by but must still follow Hidden etc.

Interesting to note that it is yet another incident in which the applicable feather indication is horizontal.

Is this routing not, though, the regular routing of this (and every other) stopping/ non-stopping passenger service between Chersterfield and Nottingham (via Ilkston)?

I thought the other recent examples were off 'normal routes / routings' that the driver(s) routinely experienced?
(Happy to be corrected / clarified).

The route this driver was taking is the only route they sign to/from Nottingham. They do not sign via Toton.

 

[800002]

The route this driver was taking is the only route they sign to/from Nottingham. They do not sign via Toton

I thought that may be the case.
Thank you.

I think i shall leave it there. Nothing else I can add here beyond (unhelpful) speculation.

 

[Amos390]

The route this driver was taking is the only route they sign to/from Nottingham. They do not sign via Toton.

Could just be a lack of judgement then, put on the throttle out of Ilkeston station and forgotten to take it back down?

 

[LCC106]

Even if the signalling systems are ultimately found to be a contributing cause, some of it must at least be attributable to:

1) Training / Competence - lots of drivers retired, and we probably have more "new" drivers than for decades. Loss of experience, probably trained in very different ways too, with greater emphasis on cost/speed of getting them through the course.
2) Quality of Recruitment - I'm unconvinced psychometric tests are fit for purpose these days - some of the interview processes I've heard about are not too dissimilar to working in a shop or restaurant etc - and being shortlisted/ interviewed by non-operational staff at some of the stages, with no train driving experience.
3) Diagram formation - i.e. are staff being worked more intensively with higher fatigue?

Not like these signals and routes haven't already been around for decades in most cases - with no similar issues prior.

Quite a lot of speculation there and a lot of it seems to be wild, unless you can base your opinion on proper facts, backed up?

 

[35B]

Quite a lot of speculation there and a lot of it seems to be wild, unless you can base your opinion on proper facts, backed up?

Strongly agreed - these incidents are still very rare, which would not be the case if those theories were correct. At the same time, with Spital Jn (2), Grantham, Hitchin and now this, there is a change of pattern.

 

[LCC106]

Edit: Deleted my comment as it was a link to RAIB but I can’t post the wording as per forum rules… ignore!