Charing Cross area closed for 22 days this summer (26th July to 16th August 2026)

[brad465]

Thanks for the summary. This looks the big cut, 50% reduced service at peak time with no scope to lengthen the services. The peak time extras to Blackfriars might be longer, Orpington & Bromley South passengers could switch to the Tunbridge Wells - Victoria services, but unsure if that's enough.

The Beckenham Jct peak services are normally 5-car in the morning at 2tph frequency, and 4-car in the evening at 1tph frequency (2 return trips). The latter used to be 6-car, but I'm guessing the lack of 466s has impacted this.

There's scope to lengthen both to 8-car, although it's a shame the evening peak frequency isn't being increased in this period. I wouldn't be surprised if the Tunbridge Wells' extras are reduced from 10 to 8-car during this, as some platforms at Victoria can't take more than 8-car, and the ones that do will likely be taken already, especially during this period.

I suspect though the reduced Orpington-Victoria frequency won't just free up paths, but will also allow other services into London Bridge to be lengthened. I can see more 12-car diagrams for sure, especially as Cannon St and London Bridge don't have the issues found at Charing X.

The timetable is put together partially on the basis of those turnarounds at Charing Cross. London Bridge is 7 minutes down the road making a 10 minute turnaround grow to 24 minutes at London Bridge.

That will be a big limitation alongside working within the existing timetable. Platform 9 has 4tph making 10tph total and each must use that single line once either arriving or departing.

Fair points.

 

[TrenHotel]

Can anyone say if there has been a longer closure of this route in recent times or if this is new behaviour?

Not really “recent”, but I remember a three-week closure of Charing Cross in the mid-90s, possibly to lengthen platforms to take 12-car trains.

I can recall some strange rush-hour stopping patterns on those trains (one evening one being fast from Westcombe Park to Woolwich Arsenal for some reason)

 

[Stephen42]

The Beckenham Jct peak services are normally 5-car in the morning at 2tph frequency, and 4-car in the evening at 1tph frequency (2 return trips). The latter used to be 6-car, but I'm guessing the lack of 466s has impacted this. There's scope to lengthen both to 8-car, although it's a shame the evening peak frequency isn't being increased in this period. I wouldn't be surprised if the Tunbridge Wells' extras are reduced from 10 to 8-car during this, as some platforms at Victoria can't take more than 8-car, and the ones that do will likely be taken already, especially during this period.

I suspect though the reduced Orpington-Victoria frequency won't just free up paths, but will also allow other services into London Bridge to be lengthened. I can see more 12-car diagrams for sure, especially as Cannon St and London Bridge don't have the issues found at Charing X.

Woolwich Dockyard is a constraint on the Cannon Street side. For the schedules in so far, only 1 metro Cannon Street set of schedules avoids Woolwich Dockyard entirely (2C81 0645 Dartford to Cannon Street 0744). There might be some detaching at Cannon Street that doesn't show up on the schedules, but nothing obvious. My somewhat dodgy code that pieces together schedules thinks there's only 9 possible metro 12-car diagrams.

There might be a lot more tens on some routes than usual. The Hayes to Blackfriars can't be ten car which would displace some and several of the removed peak services are ten cars. The platforms at Victoria for the Tunbridge Wells (not really extras, just diverted Charing X) allow for ten car though would agree eight seems more likely displacing some 466s.

 

[brad465]

Woolwich Dockyard is a constraint on the Cannon Street side. For the schedules in so far, only 1 metro Cannon Street set of schedules avoids Woolwich Dockyard entirely (2C81 0645 Dartford to Cannon Street 0744). There might be some detaching at Cannon Street that doesn't show up on the schedules, but nothing obvious. My somewhat dodgy code that pieces together schedules thinks there's only 9 possible metro 12-car diagrams.

There might be a lot more tens on some routes than usual. The Hayes to Blackfriars can't be ten car which would displace some and several of the removed peak services are ten cars. The platforms at Victoria for the Tunbridge Wells (not really extras, just diverted Charing X) allow for ten car though would agree eight seems more likely displacing some 466s.

I think the Sidcup and Hayes' line London Bridge terminators might be candidates for additional 12-car diagrams; they don't appear to go onto the Woolwich line, and Hayes in particular only has half its services going into London Bridge. The Sidcup line appears to have avoided notable frequency deductions, but may have 12-car by virtue of alternating with Hayes' if that line needs them, plus to compensate for reductions in Bexleyheath line services to/from Dartford. The Sevenoaks' stoppers are mostly 12-car anyway so suspect these will remain as such.

 

[Snow1964]

Network Rail has issued media update on closure today, (13th May)
There is video on the link
Sounds like there will be weekend closures either side of main closure too

London Charing Cross and Waterloo East stations will close for 22 days this summer to allow the South Eastern Railway to deliver a £20 million programme of essential railway upgrades.

The closure will run from Sunday 26 July to Sunday 16 August 2026, plus some weekends either side, and will allow railway engineers to replace nearly two kilometres of 36-year-old track, rebuild sections of platform at Charing Cross, upgrade track drainage systems and carry out structural repairs to both the Waterloo East to London Waterloo pedestrian link bridge and the Hungerford Bridge, which takes the railway over the Thames to Charing Cross.

Charing Cross and Waterloo East to close for 22 days for £20m railway upgrade

Customers advised to plan ahead and check before they travel ahead of the closure.

www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk

 

[brad465]

Could the "rebuild sections of platform at Charing Cross" allow for 12-car non-SDO operation in all six platforms? IIRC platforms 4-6 are 11-car only due to the last bit of platform being an improper metal walkway.

 

[Horizon22]

Hayes Line

Trains that normally run between Hayes and Charing Cross will start/terminate at London Bridge or run to London Blackfriars.

Interesting, are they going to use Metropolitan Junction to go into the bays at Blackfriars from London Bridge? Don't think Southeastern have done that for a long while.

 

[Man of Kent]

Interesting, are they going to use Metropolitan Junction to go into the bays at Blackfriars from London Bridge? Don't think Southeastern have done that for a long while.

Journey Planner shows they turn left at Lewisham and run via Elephant.

 

[Horizon22]

Journey Planner shows they turn left at Lewisham and run via Elephant.

Ah via Nunhead. Fair enough.

 

[Stephen42]

Could the "rebuild sections of platform at Charing Cross" allow for 12-car non-SDO operation in all six platforms? IIRC platforms 4-6 are 11-car only due to the last bit of platform being an improper metal walkway.

The root cause is insufficient width, a rebuild wouldn't address that. Platform 3 is not compliant with standards, but non-SDO is permitted with signs encouraging going forward and prohibiting boarding in that area. Electrostars should only open 11 coaches for all platforms in sectional appendix and wouldn't be surprised if any new metro stock went down to 11 as well.

Interesting, are they going to use Metropolitan Junction to go into the bays at Blackfriars from London Bridge? Don't think Southeastern have done that for a long while.

It's no longer physically possible to go directly into the bays at Blackfriars from London Bridge.

 

[Mikey C]

The root cause is insufficient width, a rebuild wouldn't address that. Platform 3 is not compliant with standards, but non-SDO is permitted with signs encouraging going forward and prohibiting boarding in that area. Electrostars should only open 11 coaches for all platforms in sectional appendix and wouldn't be surprised if any new metro stock went down to 11 as well.

As a terminus station there are no operational difficulties from running 12 car trains and only opening 11 cars, as the train will be sitting there for 15 minutes anyway.

 

[Mattplans]

Vic-Orp is really an unnecessary casaulty of these works in my opinion. I don't see why there needs to be an additional service between Victoria and TWells when they don't even run this during the normal timetable.

I wonder if there will be any scope to divert one of the 'Cannon St-Dartford via WoolA/Lewisham' services via Bexleyheath as TL have cuts coinciding during the same period. Would be rather helpful since the services via Bexleyheath are otherwise poorly timed.

 

[Horizon22]

Vic-Orp is really an unnecessary casaulty of these works in my opinion. I don't see why there needs to be an additional service between Victoria and TWells when they don't even run this during the normal timetable.

It will be about line capacity and the higher reduction of this by stopping services during the diversions. That Victoria - Tunbridge Wells service basically replaces the Charing Cross services.

 

[Stephen42]

Vic-Orp is really an unnecessary casaulty of these works in my opinion. I don't see why there needs to be an additional service between Victoria and TWells when they don't even run this during the normal timetable.

As above the Tunbridge Wells are diverted, similar to the Maidstone East to Charing Cross services also diverted. The other Orpington to Victoria pair conflict with both of these diverts.

The line via Kent House will have 4tph stopping and 8tph fast. If had the other pair of Orpington to Victoria that would be 14tph total or 18tph in each direction through Herne Hill. Even if prepared to make the fast trains run at the pace of the stoppers the timetable will be hard to make compliant and a reliability nightmare.

There aren't many other options. At Nunhead there are 11tph passenger and would struggle to have another 4tph fast either via Catford or Lewisham then Nunhead. London Bridge "terminating" platforms are full due to the layout. Cannon Street has 21 terminating in peak hour and wouldn't fit another 4 due to throat capacity.

The option at peak looks to be either halve the Orpington to Victoria service or both the services at Maidstone East or Tunbridge Wells. Off peak capacity elsewhere improves though would be more confusing customer messaging for both service groups.

 

[frankmoh]

Hayes
2tph run to London Bridge 6-9, 2 tph will run to Blackfriars (calling at E&C only) Peak time extras are cancelled.

Is it going via Nunhead to Blackfriars? Can't see any other way it would get to E&C.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

As above the Tunbridge Wells are diverted, similar to the Maidstone East to Charing Cross services also diverted. The other Orpington to Victoria pair conflict with both of these diverts.

The line via Kent House will have 4tph stopping and 8tph fast. If had the other pair of Orpington to Victoria that would be 14tph total or 18tph in each direction through Herne Hill. Even if prepared to make the fast trains run at the pace of the stoppers the timetable will be hard to make compliant and a reliability nightmare.

Thats pretty ambitious with 4 tph Thameslink each way across the jcns at Herne Hill as well

There aren't many other options. At Nunhead there are 11tph passenger and would struggle to have another 4tph fast either via Catford or Lewisham then Nunhead. London Bridge "terminating" platforms are full due to the layout. Cannon Street has 21 terminating in peak hour and wouldn't fit another 4 due to throat capacity.

The option at peak looks to be either halve the Orpington to Victoria service or both the services at Maidstone East or Tunbridge Wells. Off peak capacity elsewhere improves though would be more confusing customer messaging for both service groups.

To be fair to SE there going above and beyond to provide alternative services. OK they have the luxury of more terminals than most operators but too many others dont try very hard so all credit to them

 

[Mattplans]

That Victoria - Tunbridge Wells service basically replaces the Charing Cross services.

which only runs during peak hours, but suddenly when there's reduced capacity, it's become a necessity to divert it all day to Victoria and halve stopping services as a result.

Considering Hastings and Tonbridge retain services to London Bridge and peak extras to Cannon Street, I'm not entirely sure it's necessary to sacrifice Vic-Orp in favour of a service which only runs for half the day in the normal timetable anyway.

Vic-orp are heavily used services, and besides: passengers between Orpington and Tunbridge Wells have a large range of other services to London, users of the Vic-Orp will now face extended wait times and lack access to strong alternatives. I'm not convinced it is a good tradeoff at all

There aren't many other options.

Not running Vic - Tunb W is an option?

 

[Stephen42]

Not running Vic - Tunb W is an option?

As I said, you have to halve the Maidstone East peak service as well (it uses an Orpington path at Herne Hill). That line has higher usage than pre-pandemic and is why the service levels have increased substantially there in recent years. The Tunbridge Wells services themselves are heavily used by Orpington commuters and make them standing room only. The Grove Park line has a third fewer trains at peak as well which won't help.

I'm not saying the Orpington to Victoria line will be a pleasant experience and I personally doubt how well it will work peak Tuesday to Thursdays. You could FOI Southeastern for their assessment on whether the Orpington Victoria route would have sufficient capacity and alternatives considered. Looking at the schedules it's hard to see how they could run without taking out more trains than putting back and reducing overall capacity as a result.

 

[Mastermind88]

Stations between bromley and london via herne hill have many other options to travel including southern and LO to choose as an alternative method during this closure.

Both the diverted charing cross services call at Bromley South.

Are you seriously suggesting to only run these in the peaks and then run the off peak orp-vic services during the quieter less used times of the day? Sounds like a comms and passenger info nightmare to me.

SE have tried to provide a service that balances the needs of every route fairly in my opinion so kudos to them.

GTR aren't helping matters with their reduced summer timetable so if anyone needs to be reanalysed for what they are providing it should be them!

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As I said, you have to halve the Maidstone East peak service as well (it uses an Orpington path at Herne Hill). That line has higher usage than pre-pandemic and is why the service levels have increased substantially there in recent years. The Tunbridge Wells services themselves are heavily used by Orpington commuters and make them standing room only. The Grove Park line has a third fewer trains at peak as well which won't help.

I'm not saying the Orpington to Victoria line will be a pleasant experience and I personally doubt how well it will work peak Tuesday to Thursdays. You could FOI Southeastern for their assessment on whether the Orpington Victoria route would have sufficient capacity and alternatives considered. Looking at the schedules it's hard to see how they could run without taking out more trains than putting back and reducing overall capacity as a result.

Orpington to Victoria's have plenty of capacity if you allow for standing, when people say they are crush loaded they mean at the specific time they want to travel and that they want a seat.

 

[Mattplans]

Are you seriously suggesting to only run these in the peaks and then run the off peak orp-vic services during the quieter less used times of the day? Sounds like a comms and passenger info nightmare to me.

No, I am not. I did not suggest or say that.

Stations between bromley and london via herne hill have many other options to travel including southern and LO to choose as an alternative method during this closure.

My point was that the passengers of the services which have been diverted to Victoria have stronger alternatives from the same station, which is true.

 

[Mastermind88]

No, I am not. I did not suggest or say that.



My point was that the passengers of the services which have been diverted to Victoria have stronger alternatives from the same station, which is true.

But not everyone is going to fit on the services which can go to London Bridge and these are mandated to have seated passenger requirements so providing an alternative for people that are accepting of that might sway them to go that way.

Anything to try and spread the load away from London Bridge during this critical time

 

[Kumquat]

I'm sure closing the line from London Bridge to Charing Cross is necessary, but I only use that route in the summer - because it's mostly air-conditioned, as are Thameslink trains to LB.

In cooler weather I'll get the tube to the West End, from Brixton or Elephant, and use buses, but certainly over the last couple weeks I've avoided those as much as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of passengers change their routes during heatwaves.

 

[Geogregor]

which only runs during peak hours, but suddenly when there's reduced capacity, it's become a necessity to divert it all day to Victoria and halve stopping services as a result.

Considering Hastings and Tonbridge retain services to London Bridge and peak extras to Cannon Street, I'm not entirely sure it's necessary to sacrifice Vic-Orp in favour of a service which only runs for half the day in the normal timetable anyway.

Vic-orp are heavily used services, and besides: passengers between Orpington and Tunbridge Wells have a large range of other services to London, users of the Vic-Orp will now face extended wait times and lack access to strong alternatives. I'm not convinced it is a good tradeoff at all


Not running Vic - Tunb W is an option?

There is still a mindset in Southeastern that metro services are less important that services from down in Kent. It was always that way, or at least in the last 20 years, since I moved to SE London.

Metro service with 2TPH is a joke by world standards. Even on weekends, but let's not even start on that subject...

 

[brad465]

Three of the four Sundays during these works (26th July, 9th and 16th August) also have the line closed through Parks Bridge to Petts Wood and Sidcup, which I suspect will be to help advance the Lewisham area resignalling. Makes sense that these are progressed at the same time Charing X is shut as that's efficient closure timings.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Three of the four Sundays during these works (26th July, 9th and 16th August) also have the line closed through Parks Bridge to Petts Wood and Sidcup, which I suspect will be to help advance the Lewisham area resignalling. Makes sense that these are progressed at the same time Charing X is shut as that's efficient closure timings.

Yes and no. They had Lewisham/Parks bridge shut for over a week to transfer control to Three Bridges a few years back then the whole of Lewisham was shut to renew the junction. So now we have these closures and no doubt a pretty extensive closure to commission it as long gone the days when signal commissionings were done over a weekend. All these renewals need doing but im not convinced the industry delivers the most cost effective solution doing it piecemeal.

 

[brad465]

Yes and no. They had Lewisham/Parks bridge shut for over a week to transfer control to Three Bridges a few years back then the whole of Lewisham was shut to renew the junction. So now we have these closures and no doubt a pretty extensive closure to commission it as long gone the days when signal commissionings were done over a weekend. All these renewals need doing but im not convinced the industry delivers the most cost effective solution doing it piecemeal.

The resignalling in question is due to go live over a 4-day Christmas closure at the end of this year. I'm pretty sure the transfer to Three Bridges ended up occurring at the height of covid, so it took over a week because covid restrictions meant working protocol was different in a less efficient way.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

The resignalling in question is due to go live over a 4-day Christmas closure at the end of this year. I'm pretty sure the transfer to Three Bridges ended up occurring at the height of covid, so it took over a week because covid restrictions meant working protocol was different in a less efficient way.

OK four days is good going but presumably its just Lewisham interlocking thats being commissioned. The general point stands though is one off blitz's of coordinated infrastructure renewals would be far more efficient overall and given the change in commuting habits longer closures should be more tolerable especially in public transport dense area like London.

 

[brad465]

OK four days is good going but presumably its just Lewisham interlocking thats being commissioned. The general point stands though is one off blitz's of coordinated infrastructure renewals would be far more efficient overall and given the change in commuting habits longer closures should be more tolerable especially in public transport dense area like London.

Someone like @Bald Rick will be better-placed on this, but I imagine the resources don't exist to do every job in this way, combined with a certain threshold of planned disruption which can't be crossed. While it would be good if the resignalling was done in one big chunk at the same time as the Charing X closure, given the huge resources being allocated to Charing X, I expect there are not enough leftover to do Lewisham anymore than the 3 days they appear to be working during this time. It could also be the case that the acceptable threshold of planned disruption is surpassed if both jobs were done at the same time for that same duration, even though a decent overlap in affected area exists. This level of disruption though would definitely not fly if it was a standalone blockade at a different time to the other blockades like Charing X this summer and Dartford in February.

Resignalling is probably also one of those jobs that can be spread out more easily, whereas major track renewal and bridge maintenance is something that once started has to carry on until completed.

 

[hwl]

Someone like @Bald Rick will be better-placed on this, but I imagine the resources don't exist to do every job in this way, combined with a certain threshold of planned disruption which can't be crossed. While it would be good if the resignalling was done in one big chunk at the same time as the Charing X closure, given the huge resources being allocated to Charing X, I expect there are not enough leftover to do Lewisham anymore than the 3 days they appear to be working during this time. It could also be the case that the acceptable threshold of planned disruption is surpassed if both jobs were done at the same time for that same duration, even though a decent overlap in affected area exists. This level of disruption though would definitely not fly if it was a standalone blockade at a different time to the other blockades like Charing X this summer and Dartford in February.

Resignalling is probably also one of those jobs that can be spread out more easily, whereas major track renewal and bridge maintenance is something that once started has to carry on until completed.

Having Lewisham open is also needed to keep the remaining trains running into Cannon Street, those turned short at London Bridge, those running to Victoria and some of those diverted to Victoria (not via Herne Hill).

Lewisham interlocking covers quite close to Nunhead so there may be comissioning impacts on the Catford Loop. So this summer propably isn't a good time to do it...

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Someone like @Bald Rick will be better-placed on this, but I imagine the resources don't exist to do every job in this way, combined with a certain threshold of planned disruption which can't be crossed. While it would be good if the resignalling was done in one big chunk at the same time as the Charing X closure, given the huge resources being allocated to Charing X, I expect there are not enough leftover to do Lewisham anymore than the 3 days they appear to be working during this time. It could also be the case that the acceptable threshold of planned disruption is surpassed if both jobs were done at the same time for that same duration, even though a decent overlap in affected area exists. This level of disruption though would definitely not fly if it was a standalone blockade at a different time to the other blockades like Charing X this summer and Dartford in February.

I wasn't intending to associate Lewisham with the CX closure more to shine a spotlight on the multiple interventions that have taken place at Lewisham over the last few years and propose that a one hit blockades would be a better approach. It has been done for example on East London Line and Gospel Oak Barking. Yes you could rightly say the traffic levels arent as high but then neither are alternative forms of nearby public transport. SE IBU are certainly being bold with the CX closure and are actually putting in a very comprehensive alternative train plan that other operators could do well to emulate.

Resignalling is probably also one of those jobs that can be spread out more easily, whereas major track renewal and bridge maintenance is something that once started has to carry on until completed.

Preparation can certainly be achieved in advance but resignalling has to completed once youve disconnected the old signalling.