Wyrleybart
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Then wait for the 0330 call from Central Rivers with the last minute set swaps sue to coupling issues or late off exam stuff !!
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021 left Litchurch Lane for Voyagerland yesterday. Not sure which has replaced it.
CR165022
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220008. Have amended the list.
The use of the 5 extra units would have allowed for (not trying to work out for parts of Diagrams, as that gets complex, how've needless to say would show a larger chance of pairs of units):
Diagram A (was 4 coach) to be run by no.1 of the new 5 coach sets
Diagram B (was 4 coach) to swap with Diagram C to be a 5 coach set
Diagram C (was 5 coach) to be run as 4+4
Diagram D (was 4 coach) to be run by no.2 of the new 5 coach sets
Diagram E (was 4 coach) to swap with Diagram F to be a 5 coach set
Diagram F (was 5 coach) to be run as 4+4
Diagram G (was 4 coach) to be run by no.3 of the new 5 coach sets
Diagram H (was 4 coach) to swap with Diagram I to be a 5 coach set
Diagram I (was 5 coach) to be run as 4+4
Diagram J (was 4 coach) to be run by no.4 of the new 5 coach sets
Diagram K (was 4 coach) to swap with Diagram L to be a 5 coach set
Diagram L (was 5 coach) to be run as 4+4
Diagram M (was 4 coach) to be run by no.5 of the new 5 coach sets
Diagram N (was 4 coach) to swap with Diagram O to be a 5 coach set
Diagram O (was 5 coach) to be run as 4+4
That's 15 Diagrams, which is likely to be up to 60 different trains (assuming each diagram can run A to B, B to A, A to B and B to A again, which isn't always the case).
Although, that is enough for around 30% of the 220's in pairs.
However, even if each Diagram only goes and then comes back that's quite a few extra seats available (I'll count total extra) across the day that's an extra 2,460 seats.
Obviously you have to factor in the loss of the HST sets. That's a loss of 45 seats compared to the 4+4 trains (although that's split by class of 28 fewer standard and 17 fewer first class seats, the latter probably being felt less keenly).
Doing the same (2 trips per day for each of the 5 sets) that's 890 seats "lost" bringing the total of extra seats to 1,570 across the day (minimum).
However that's against (again based on 2 services a day per unit) 25,900 total seats (+6.06%).
However, with around 170 services a day run by the 22x fleets and only having 59 units, it's closer to an average of 3 trips per unit per day which would increase that capacity increase a little, especially if the former HST's didn't previously do 3 trips.
As I said at the start if parts of routes (i.e. are pairs in the core but single units for the outer reaches) are strengthened then that would show a larger increase.
Whilst not significant (and obviously not evenly spread) a sightly better than 5% increase (even when compared against the with HST's, and assuming only two trips per unit) in total seating isn't too bad.
Obviously, this is fairly rough and ready, as I'm not accounting for spares, or which services are run by what length of train, etc. However, it should help illiterate that it appears that the 5 extra 221's will be sightly better than have keeping the HST's.
One final point, for each extra 221 brought into use for XC from now onwards (if that were to be a thing and as it wouldn't have to replace the HST's seating capacity) that would see daily seating capacity rise by 1.9% when compared to the baseline of the seats in use when the HST's were in use (so one extra would bring the total to +7.9% whilst 5 would be +15.5%).
FlybeDash8Q400
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220021 is back out. Looks to have re-entered service yesterday.
Amos390
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What replaced it in Litchurch?
FlybeDash8Q400
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220008 as above.
XC has about 70 units, and a refurbished unit is currently been released every couple of weeks, so it's going to take a couple of years to get through them all, even if the rate is accelerated.
Seems to be one a week for the 220s, with 2 to 3 units at Litchurch Lane at any given time. There’s a small possibility it could take little longer for the 221s given the extra vehicle, but given the rate Alstom are getting through them I’d expect most of the fleet to be refurbished by October - certainly Alstom have completed 10 out of 34 already.
One a week appears optimistic given post 2021. And only 6 complete according to the list in post 2037, unless you now different?
FlybeDash8Q400
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I think we’re talking about a unit being swapped in and out each week. It’s taking about 3 weeks to do each one. The first few always take way longer and then after that it’s basically a mini production line with as suggested, one finished every week.
By October though, the chances of getting a refurb unit, even at the current rate will probably be well over 50%.
FlybeDash8Q400
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I don’t think it will be. There’s only about 20-25 weeks until that particular day in October, depending on when it was. Litchurch Lane also has its annual shut down towards the end of the summer, as this is what made The Greatest Gathering possible in the first place.
I made a suggestion in a previous post that the end of the year for the completion for the 220’s is more realistic. I would probably stick with that as a rough idea. The 34 220’s alone make up about 50% of the units. There are 36 221’s in XC’s fleet.
ValentaFan1974
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That's in line with my thinking in post 2050 (which got shot down as too conservative).
Makes sense, I didn't know about the annual shutdown, that seems a very old fashioned thing to do.
Probably because we have much less of the type of industry for which it makes a lot of sense for the company, as opposed to trying to work around large proportions of your employees being off over a six week period whilst keeping the production line going.
sabanda
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220001 had its first outing today post-refurb.
voyagerdude220
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Are the refurbishments causing set shortages? Looking on the Cross Country journey check page, it seems like a few Voyager diagrams a short formed today, with 4/5 cars instead of a double set.
That’s just a normal XC day !
At least they can use the refurb program as an excuse for a while!
CR165022
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Another swap today, I believe it's 220003 going into Derby.
The_Train
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Did anything come out?
CR165022
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Yes, presumably 006 as that was the first one in out of the three that were there at the time
sabanda
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It was 007 which went into Derby on Saturday, not 003.
The_Train
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Any confirmation of 006 coming out please?
BillStampy
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Saw it on RA's Facebook post, 006 number of the refurbished one.
The_Train
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Thanks Bill
