TheManOnThe172
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Another example of some “clever wheeze” not being thought through properly. Interesting to see how long it will take to rectify.It looks like the via... description has migrated from the Departures board
There are Aberdeen to Glasgow Queen Street trains that have "via Perth" on the display despite that being the only direct route.Given there is only one route from Birmingham to Derby the arrival only needs to say Birmingham New Street as where the train is from.
That is, however useful for people who are unfamiliar with routings and may not know that. The examples above are simply incorrect.There are Aberdeen to Glasgow Queen Street trains that have "via Perth" on the display despite that being the only direct route.
Yes it's often used, helpfully in my view, to help identify a major station that isn't the destination. I think, from memory, LNER to say Harrogate are advertised as "Via Leeds" at Kings Cross for example. Clearly on this occasion however it's deeply unhelpful!That is, however useful for people who are unfamiliar with routings and may not know that. The examples above are simply incorrect.
The point is that it is not only unhelpful, it is untrue. Each time someone sees a message that they know is untrue the less likely they are to believe ones which are (and may be safety relevant).Yes it's often used, helpfully in my view, to help identify a major station that isn't the destination. I think, from memory, LNER to say Harrogate are advertised as "Via Leeds" at Kings Cross for example. Clearly on this occasion however it's deeply unhelpful!
More a problem going the other way but there has been many a Perth bound traveller caught out by accidentally boarding the one Dundee train that goes via FifeThere are Aberdeen to Glasgow Queen Street trains that have "via Perth" on the display despite that being the only direct route.
Technically there are three other routesGiven there is only one route from Birmingham to Derby the arrival only needs to say Birmingham New Street as where the train is from.
Certainly that now at Euston is next to useless. It just shows where the trains are coming from, and their expected arrival time. No platform numbers. No indication of the scheduled arrival times. So if you are waiting for someone coming in on a train from Birmingham due in at a particular time, you can take your pick of the various trains coming from Birmingham around about that time - and even if you do guess the correct train, still be none the wiser which platform.I wonder if arrivals boards aren't just an anachronism and the solution is to get rid of them.
I suspect that each train has the same "via xxxx", where it would make sense.I’d love to see the departures board and what that shows.
I think you misunderstand, so proving the OP's point. The trains shown as arriving "via Birmingham" haven't come from Birmingham at all - that is where they are headed to!Given there is only one route from Birmingham to Derby the arrival only needs to say Birmingham New Street as where the train is from.
The younger of the two staff members I spoke to at Derby appeared not to realise that Doncaster and Reading were in opposite directions (is there no basic Railway Geography training/testing?) The older staff member seemed to be of the opinion that it wasn't confusing because he knew what it meant.I should imagine that the station staff have just learnt to ignore the via information on the display.
Have you raised a complaint to EMT? If no-one does, it's probably never going to be fixed.The younger of the two staff members I spoke to at Derby appeared not to realise that Doncaster and Reading were in opposite directions (is there no basic Railway Geography training/testing?) The older staff member seemed to be of the opinion that it wasn't confusing because he knew what it meant.
That’s what I wondered. If it’s a southbound XC early in its journey, ie north of York, it might make sense to deal with the via Leeds or via Doncaster option as the ‘route displayed’, as getting the wrong train is a hassle, but it’s going to be covered in the detailed calling points list anyway.Have you raised a complaint to EMT? If no-one does, it's probably never going to be fixed.
I suspect that what has happened is that XC have changed the way their trains are encoded, without realising the effect it will have on EMT's arrivals board. And the EMT staff at Derby are just shrugging it off as a XC problem.
Good point - I have now done so. Previous experience of raising issues with EMR does not fill me with hope that they will take the trouble to understand the issue, let alone fix it - but perhaps this time will be different.Have you raised a complaint to EMT? If no-one does, it's probably never going to be fixed.
I've never understood the point. I personally couldn't care less when my train arrives.I wonder if arrivals boards aren't just an anachronism and the solution is to get rid of them.
Back when I was younger, I often used to wait for my grandparents to arrive at Euston. The arrivals board was a godsend, as I told me how late their train was due in, and what platform to wait at.I've never understood the point. I personally couldn't care less when my train arrives.
They're not, although they are often not placed in the suitable position for where people should wait to meet people arriving off trains.I wonder if arrivals boards aren't just an anachronism and the solution is to get rid of them.
Useful to do what with the information on them though? I genuinely don't know what they're useful for. If you're meeting someone, "everyone" has a mobile phone nowadays so they'll let you know if they're delayed. It's mainly larger stations only which (sometimes) have an arrivals board, and they're more likely to have barriers or otherwise prevent you from access to the arrival platform to give assistance.They're not, although they are often not placed in the suitable position for where people should wait to meet people arriving off trains.
Arrivals boards are useful even with the modern plethora of apps and websites, especially when trains are running late (as is quite common with XC).
It is (or should be) the a business’s responsibility to provide information to the public in a way that does not rely on anyone being in possession of, or with the skill to use any device or technology (beyond things like glasses). I accept that smartphones are on the way to being in the same category, but we’re not there yet.Useful to do what with the information on them though? I genuinely don't know what they're useful for. If you're meeting someone, "everyone" has a mobile phone nowadays so they'll let you know if they're delayed.
The person you're meeting may not know they're running late, or may be told it's only a few minutes so not mention it, or may have put their phone in their bag or pocket while getting ready to alight at their stop. Also, many people live a decent drive away from their nearest major station (especially if it's in a city centre with one-way traffic systems) and may choose not to connect their phone to their car so can't take a call. Most stations only give 20 mins free parking for pick up and drop off, so having an arrivals board visible from the pickup area lets people know if they will need to pay for parking (or leave and return in 10 mins time) rather than getting caught out by waiting for 22 mins because the train was just that little bit later.Useful to do what with the information on them though? I genuinely don't know what they're useful for. If you're meeting someone, "everyone" has a mobile phone nowadays so they'll let you know if they're delayed. It's mainly larger stations only which (sometimes) have an arrivals board, and they're more likely to have barriers or otherwise prevent you from access to the arrival platform to give assistance.
Whatever next? Do away with all station departure boards as well on the basis that "everyone" has a mobile phone nowadays?!Useful to do what with the information on them though? I genuinely don't know what they're useful for. If you're meeting someone, "everyone" has a mobile phone nowadays so they'll let you know if they're delayed. It's mainly larger stations only which (sometimes) have an arrivals board, and they're more likely to have barriers or otherwise prevent you from access to the arrival platform to give assistance.
Even if you assume "everyone" has a mobile phone (they don't, of course), mobile coverage is pretty patchy on the rail network, and often non-existent when you are in some of the black spots for congestion delays, such as the approach through a city to a major station.Useful to do what with the information on them though? I genuinely don't know what they're useful for. If you're meeting someone, "everyone" has a mobile phone nowadays so they'll let you know if they're delayed. It's mainly larger stations only which (sometimes) have an arrivals board, and they're more likely to have barriers or otherwise prevent you from access to the arrival platform to give assistance.
In the Euston example even if the arrivals board their gave full information, what is anybody going to do with that information?
Where does it say 'Birmingham via Leeds'?If a train is due to run Birmingham-Derby-Leeds, is there really no better description possible on the Derby arrivals board than "Birrningham via Leeds"?
The staff at Derby didn't think this at all confusing:
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Where does it say 'Birmingham via Leeds'?
And whilst it doesn’t say Birmingham via Leeds, every single ‘via’ point shown in the image is wrong due to the issue the OP describes.I wrote the post first, and added the photo later. In the mean time, "Birmingham via Leeds" had scrolled off the screen. But "Reading via Doncaster" shown as due 08:59 is just as daft.
My stepson when to Perth via Dundee recently.More a problem going the other way but there has been many a Perth bound traveller caught out by accidentally boarding the one Dundee train that goes via Fife
The whole ‘via…’ is quite unnecessarily unless there is more than one route. It’s ok forIf a train is due to run Birmingham-Derby-Leeds, is there really no better description possible on the Derby arrivals board than "Birrningham via Leeds"?
The staff at Derby didn't think this at all confusing:
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