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Not sure which of the consultation pieces are new, but the 'Cambridge East' name feels new, and the stabling. Would be curious to see what those plans are - given it is to be something of a terminus on a through line.
A Cambridge East turnback has been mentioned a few times in the main consultation thread, it seemed to first appear in November last year.
 
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The main EWR consultation discussion is now reopened.


Not sure which of the consultation pieces are new, but the 'Cambridge East' name feels new, and the stabling. Would be curious to see what those plans are - given it is to be something of a terminus on a through line.
Cambridge East isn't new. It was first mentioned in the 2024 consultation, which said this:

EWR Co has identified the potential for a new station to the east of Cambridge on the line to Newmarket, which would enable services to turn around and would also provide additional connectivity for this part of Cambridge. A station at Cambridge East is not within the current scope of EWR, but it is recognised this could deliver benefits including supporting wider growth and opportunities for local people in this area of Cambridge. Third-party funding would be required to take forward a scheme in this area.

The You Said We Did document in 2025 said this:

As a result of consultation feedback and discussions with potential funders, developers and key stakeholders, we’re now considering including a new Cambridge East station within our plans for EWR. The station would be near Cambridge City Airport, which is due to be decommissioned, in an area with strong potential for growth and development. We would need to secure funding from a third-party to be able to build the station.

Third party funding is still part of delivering Cambridge East, the 2026 consultation says this:

The inclusion of the Cambridge East follows a review of feedback from our previous consultation and ongoing discussions with a range of stakeholders including local authorities, Network Rail, and other third‑party organisations. The provision of this station would be subject to third party funding.
But the Cambridge Eastern Traincare facility at Fulbourn is new.
 

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To be clear I wasn't saying it was new - more that it felt formalized, that the name felt more permanent (for a while it was Cherry Hinton) and yes the traincare facility. And wires.

Exciting stuff. I wonder if it is will be a new through station plus a bay - or a turnback (seems popular) - as hopefully the Ipswich service will call. If it doesn't become one of these (the fifth tph split at Stewartby for instance!)
 

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Still don't fully understand the logic behind building a new station and turnback at a site just 10 minutes from Cambridge main station by bus/car instead of Cherry Hinton, a place that would benefit a lot more from a fast and frequent rail link. The new airport development would be better served by urban mass transit not a regional service. But the extra planned electrification, the increase to 5tph and the plans to get started on the construction earlier than expected massively outweigh the Cambridge East peculiar decision, so this is definitely a win in my eyes.

Out of all the planned or ongoing rail projects in the country, EWR is the one I have the least doom and gloom about - it's more or less guaranteed to happen (due to the OxCam growth corridor), unlike some other projects (for example NPR, HS2 plus the ones that have already been indefinitely postponed e.g. Leeds trams & MML wiring) which could definitely be cancelled under a potential Reform government.
 

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Still don't fully understand the logic behind building a new station and turnback at a site just 10 minutes from Cambridge main station by bus/car instead of Cherry Hinton, a place that would benefit a lot more from a fast and frequent rail link. The new airport development would be better served by urban mass transit not a regional service. But the extra planned electrification, the increase to 5tph and the plans to get started on the construction earlier than expected massively outweigh the Cambridge East peculiar decision, so this is definitely a win in my eyes.

Out of all the planned or ongoing rail projects in the country, EWR is the one I have the least doom and gloom about - it's more or less guaranteed to happen (due to the OxCam growth corridor), unlike some other projects (for example NPR, HS2 plus the ones that have already been indefinitely postponed e.g. Leeds trams & MML wiring) which could definitely be cancelled under a potential Reform government.
Surely it's big advantage over NPR (formerly HS3 and inheriting the Manchester section of HS2) and the Leeds trams is that EWR has successfully stuck to a well defined project. Both of the other two have tended to involve substantial additions and subtractions from the plan.
 

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To be clear I wasn't saying it was new - more that it felt formalized
Consultation in action!

Still don't fully understand the logic behind building a new station and turnback at a site just 10 minutes from Cambridge main station by bus/car instead of Cherry Hinton, a place that would benefit a lot more from a fast and frequent rail link.
The logic is simple: third party funding. That comes from 10K+ new homes on the airport site, but not from anywhere in Cherry Hinton.
 

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UK government petition "The Government must get the East West Rail Line passenger service running ASAP"

The East West Rail Line was due to open last December for passenger services. It’s still not running. The Government needs to break the deadlock between Chiltern Railways and unions. There needs to be effective negotiation to resolve differences and find a solution. Services need to run urgently.

People moved to the East West Rail Line corridor for work & to use the train for other reasons. Some have lost jobs because of the delay. Others, who expected to take the train, are struggling to battle rush hour traffic to places like Oxford. The Government’s spent over a £1billion on the line. Winslow Station’s stood empty for over 12 months costing £1m a year in security costs. Winslow Station was built not fit for purpose & now it’s been announced, incredibly, the platforms are too short.

Originally I was disappointed that there's not also a demand for a public enquiry into the delay, but, to be fair, one step at a time. Get it open first, and then the public enquiry.
 

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The logic is simple: third party funding. That comes from 10K+ new homes on the airport site, but not from anywhere in Cherry Hinton.

It would be nice in theory for Cambridge East to be closer to Cherry Hinton/Fulborn Hospital there just isn't the available land so the economics don't add up. Hopefully we will see much improved bus services (or even a tram - ha!) in the area.
 

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Not sure what there is to have an enquiry on. The cause is known to be that DfT won't fund guard operation and the unions won't accept DOO. It's dead simple - for it to proceed one of them needs to change their view.
 

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Not sure what there is to have an enquiry on. The cause is known to be that DfT won't fund guard operation and the unions won't accept DOO. It's dead simple - for it to proceed one of them needs to change their view.
It doesn't need a full public inquiry, but the whole farce is certainly deserving of more than a few Parliamentary enquiries.

- Why was a TOC not appointed until the line was basically ready to open?
- Why was the method of operation not agreed by all parties from the start of technical specification?
- Why did Winslow station - an absolutely brand new greenfield design - require remedial work before acceptance by Chiltern?

The fact that there's been absolute silence from the DfT, EWR, Chiltern and Unions suggests to me that there's slightly more to this than the unstoppable force of the DfT with DOO meeting the immovable object of the RMT. It would be good for transparency reasons (considering the amount of public money involved) for people to understand what has gone wrong, and why.

In particular so that they can make an informed decision the next time they go to a polling station.
 

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It would be nice in theory for Cambridge East to be closer to Cherry Hinton/Fulborn Hospital there just isn't the available land so the economics don't add up. Hopefully we will see much improved bus services (or even a tram - ha!) in the area.
There is land near Tesco - maybe some CPO involving Tesco car park and replacing it with decked parking for Tesco to replace the land lost building the station to retain the same level of car parking.
 

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There is land near Tesco - maybe some CPO involving Tesco car park and replacing it with decked parking for Tesco to replace the land lost building the station to retain the same level of car parking.
But it isn't a very good location for a station.

  • There isn't much housing nearby, only the new stuff near the bypass that's outside the city boundary
  • It is quite a long walk to Capital Park
  • Supermarket shoppers with heavily laden trolleys and multi storey car parks don't mix
  • There would be increased risk at the bypass level crossing
  • Where would any third party funding come from?
 

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Crossrail opened four years late and was significantly over budget. Please don't gloss over this.

Four years late is positively punctual compared to HS2, EWR and other major projects. Some of that delay was due to the pandemic which was totally out of the project's control

Since opening it has possibly become the most successful infrastructure project in recent decades. Not perfect, but it shows what can be achieved.
 

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But it isn't a very good location for a station.

  • There isn't much housing nearby, only the new stuff near the bypass that's outside the city boundary
  • It is quite a long walk to Capital Park
  • Supermarket shoppers with heavily laden trolleys and multi storey car parks don't mix
  • There would be increased risk at the bypass level crossing
  • Where would any third party funding come from?
I strongly disagree- it’s an exceptional location for a station. My understanding from extensive discussions is that this location is supported by local people, and by employers at Capital Park and Peterhouse Technology Park. There are lots of jobs nearby and a lot of housing - including the large new development north of Church End. Decked car parks exist on the other side of Cambridge at Eddington - and trolleys work well.

It’s irrelevant that it’s beyond the city boundary. That’s of no consequence - and the housing on Yarrow Road isn’t new - it’s been there for 30 years! I lived there for a period growing up!

The existing proposed location is sub-optimal. There are very few jobs and homes nearby and it’s far too close to Cambridge’s principal station. Buses out to Fulbourn and Gherry Hinton can take up to 45 minutes - even longer in congestion. The site next to Tesco would deliver significant passenger numbers in a way that the proposed location simply won’t. The site near Sainsbury’s simply won’t attract the passenger numbers.
 

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Four years late is positively punctual compared to HS2, EWR and other major projects. Some of that delay was due to the pandemic which was totally out of the project's control

Delays are largely out of EWR's and HS2's control too. The opening issue is nothing to do with EWR. HS2 got its go ahead confirmation late after a review and was hampered by the treasury spending cap in March 2023 which was out of its control too. Most of the delays on these projects are government issues.
 

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The existing proposed location is sub-optimal. There are very few jobs and homes nearby and it’s far too close to Cambridge’s principal station. Buses out to Fulbourn and Gherry Hinton can take up to 45 minutes - even longer in congestion. The site next to Tesco would deliver significant passenger numbers in a way that the proposed location simply won’t. The site near Sainsbury’s simply won’t attract the passenger numbers.
Cambridge East isn't being built for what is there now, it is being built for what will be there in 10 years time, when the railway opens, when the airport is redeveloped, and when the area around the new station is redeveloped. This is what the draft Greater Cambridge Local Plan says about this area:

S/AMC/SCL: South of Coldham’s Lane 1. Development proposals within this policy area, divided into three separate parcels of land, will be supported if they: a. In the area to the north-east: create a positive, balanced and attractive environment, to support the vitality and viability of the area for a range of employment uses with ancillary retail and other facilities along with car and cycle parking;

By the time Cambridge East station opens, it will have both jobs and houses nearby.

Cherry Hinton is better served by buses than most parts of Cambridge, it has 4bph on the 3 and 5bph on the 1. One of the most important flows is to and from the hospital on the 1, and this will always be more direct by bus than train. Cherry Hinton people are also going to be well placed to make use of the new eastern entrance at the main station.

My understanding from extensive discussions is that this location is supported by local people, and by employers at Capital Park and Peterhouse Technology Park.
Are Capital Park and Peterhouse Technology Park supportive to the extent of contributing funding? It is very easy to support something that provides a benefit but isn't going to cost you anything. Capital Park would be much better served by a station further east.

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It’s irrelevant that it’s beyond the city boundary. That’s of no consequence - and the housing on Yarrow Road isn’t new - it’s been there for 30 years! I lived there for a period growing up!
The boundary is relevant and consequential because of the planning history. The housing approved by South Cambridgeshire faces out onto the bypass, whereas the housing approved by Cambridge City faces in towards the High Street.
 
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The boundary is relevant and consequential because of the planning history. The housing approved by South Cambridgeshire faces out onto the bypass, whereas the housing approved by Cambridge City faces in towards the High Street.

True - though Cambridge City Council is likely is disappear in the next few years and be merged with South Cambs as part of the local government reorganisation.
 

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True - though Cambridge City Council is likely is disappear in the next few years and be merged with South Cambs as part of the local government reorganisation.
The two councils are already co-operating on planning, the Greater Cambridge Shared Planning service is already well established. The new draft local plan covers both authorities and hopefully doesn't have Cherry Hinton style boundary consequences.
 

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The two councils are already co-operating on planning, the Greater Cambridge Shared Planning service is already well established. The new draft local plan covers both authorities and hopefully doesn't have Cherry Hinton style boundary consequences.
The point is, the boundary is utterly irrelevant to the siting of the new railway station.

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Cambridge East isn't being built for what is there now, it is being built for what will be there in 10 years time, when the railway opens, when the airport is redeveloped, and when the area around the new station is redeveloped. This is what the draft Greater Cambridge Local Plan says about this area:



By the time Cambridge East station opens, it will have both jobs and houses nearby.

Cherry Hinton is better served by buses than most parts of Cambridge, it has 4bph on the 3 and 5bph on the 1. One of the most important flows is to and from the hospital on the 1, and this will always be more direct by bus than train. Cherry Hinton people are also going to be well placed to make use of the new eastern entrance at the main station.


Are Capital Park and Peterhouse Technology Park supportive to the extent of contributing funding? It is very easy to support something that provides a benefit but isn't going to cost you anything. Capital Park would be much better served by a station further east.

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The boundary is relevant and consequential because of the planning history. The housing approved by South Cambridgeshire faces out onto the bypass, whereas the housing approved by Cambridge City faces in towards the High Street.
it’s clear that the aim is for it to be close to the large new Cambridge East development on Cambridge Airport - if it happens. However, the location of the proposed new railway station is very peripheral - if the proposals do go ahead I expect to the higher density development to be the north of the current airport site and the emerging Local Plan also shows a green corridor stretching out from Coldham’s Common to the east further limiting the number of homes and jobs on the southern part of the airport. It’s simply a poor location for a new railway station.

You’re correct that Cherry Hinton and Fulbourn are relatively (by Cambridge standards) well served by buses but I can assure you having made the painful journey from Fulbourn Tesco to the main railway station how long it can take in morning and evening peaks. A station at Fulbourn Tesco with say a 3 trains per hour westbound and 1 train per hour eastbound frequency initially would after 2 years likely have passenger numbers of circa 300,000 (conservative estimate), whereas a station in the location proposed would probably have fewer than 100,000.
 
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I am fairly "doomy" about it - they are closing my station!

EWR Bletchley-Oxford will open,

Of course Bletchley-Oxford will open
When? ;)

It is completely understandable that people are cynical about this. We have a very expensively built railway line that you can travel along on a heritage tour with a steam train but you cant travel on using one of the nice new trains parked up at Bletchley depot! It is a MASSIVE embarrassment, a reputational disaster and a complete confidence crusher!
 

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It is completely understandable that people are cynical about this. We have a very expensively built railway line that you can travel along on a heritage tour with a steam train but you cant travel on using one of the nice new trains parked up at Bletchley depot! It is a MASSIVE embarrassment, a reputational disaster and a complete confidence crusher!

My prediction remains it will be when Chiltern is nationalised, at which point it'll flip back to WMT with the drivers TUPEd in and Bletchley guards (with a few more recruited to cover). Probably from that point a delay of 3-6 months for driver and guard training on the full route and whatever units end up being used (probably those 196s which are presently being borrowed by the West Midlands for the Camp Hill line).

The situation is almost identical (I don't know if you remember it or hadn't moved here by then?) to the end of Silverlink, when there were weekly strikes (usually Friday I think) over something or other, but no effort was being put in to resolve it as it wasn't worth National Express Group's while to spend money doing so, instead they just sat it out until Govia (London Midland) took over and started talks, and the strikes were quickly over. Arriva have neither the ability (because DfT won't pay for guards and the unions will strike on Chiltern more widely if an attempt is made to force in DOO) nor the will to address the issue.
 

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My prediction remains it will be when Chiltern is nationalised, at which point it'll flip back to WMT with the drivers TUPEd in and Bletchley guards (with a few more recruited to cover). Probably from that point a delay of 3-6 months for driver and guard training on the full route and whatever units end up being used (probably those 196s which are presently being borrowed by the West Midlands for the Camp Hill line).
I think you are right sadly - but the point about about it being an embarrassment and cynicism generator stands.
to the end of Silverlink
that was just before my time down here. it was LM by the time I started.
 

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I think that there's an element of hysteria from the talking heads in the newspaper.

Of course it's disappointing that the opening of Oxford - Milton Keynes has been delayed. There was with Crossrail as well. Yet this was forgotten when passengers took to the line in droves.

Same will be for this, if it turns out yo be another Blythe/Okehampton/Borders etc.

Maybe not so much if it turns out to be a Sinfin Central though :lol:
 

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It won't be another Sinfin. It'll go down really well, and probably up house prices in Bletchley a bit when it becomes a possibility for Oxford commuting (it's grim by car/bus at present).

The one issue I think it will have is that 2-car units won't be enough, and it might stretch the WMT fleet a bit thinly to try to find a couple more 196s so it can be 4-car. Chiltern might be in a better position to spare the odd 165 if they needed to, as the higher diagramming of the Mk5s over the Mk3s will free up a fair few units once complete.
 

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It won't be another Sinfin. It'll go down really well, and probably up house prices in Bletchley a bit when it becomes a possibility for Oxford commuting (it's grim by car/bus at present).

The one issue I think it will have is that 2-car units won't be enough, and it might stretch the WMT fleet a bit thinly to try to find a couple more 196s so it can be 4-car. Chiltern might be in a better position to spare the odd 165 if they needed to, as the higher diagramming of the Mk5s over the Mk3s will free up a fair few units once complete.

Yes, they will need adequate capacity not to stifle it.
 

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Yes, they will need adequate capacity not to stifle it.

I seem to recall there are enough units planned for it for one diagram to be able to be 4-car with one maintenance spare. As you could couple and uncouple I suspect that means you can handle weekdays as you'd be able to do the busiest peak runs as 4-car. The question is which way that would be, as you can't do both ways (edited, sorry, I was being thick).

The real trouble will be Saturday and Sunday where the demand is much more distributed through the day.
 

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