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East-West Rail (EWR) Cambridge - Bletchley - Oxford speculative thread

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No more of the route will be built.
The railway has blotted its copy book.
HS2 is a farce.
What exists of EWR has been destroyed by Red Robbo. Jobs for the boys, or nobody.
May aswell just build a dirty great motorway, at least they can't argue about who'll be opening the doors.
 
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vuzzeho

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No more of the route will be built.
The railway has blotted its copy book.
HS2 is a farce.
What exists of EWR has been destroyed by Red Robbo. Jobs for the boys, or nobody.
May aswell just build a dirty great motorway, at least they can't argue about who'll be opening the doors.
I love when people say things like this but are quiet about projects like Crossrail, the Northumberland line, and the ongoing (going well!) TRU. EWR Bletchley-Oxford will open, and will (more than likely) be very successful. I'm surprised people still think like this in 2026.
 

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No more of the route will be built.
The railway has blotted its copy book.
HS2 is a farce.
What exists of EWR has been destroyed by Red Robbo. Jobs for the boys, or nobody.
May aswell just build a dirty great motorway, at least they can't argue about who'll be opening the doors.

I love when people say things like this but are quiet about projects like Crossrail, the Northumberland line, and the ongoing (going well!) TRU. EWR Bletchley-Oxford will open, and will (more than likely) be very successful. I'm surprised people still think like this in 2026.
For any project like this, there will be people who are "glass half empty" and people who are "glass half full". Here are lots of reasons for the "glass half full" view:

Cambridge Children's Hospital and Cambridge Cancer Research Hospital are coming on the biomedical campus:


The East of England needs a specialist children's hospital. It's the only region in the country without one. Plans to right this are now moving at speed.


Cambridge Cancer Research Hospital (CCRH) is uniquely poised to radically transform patient care, delivering hope and better health outcomes for millions of people across the globe. The vision for this ground-breaking hospital has been in the works for over a decade, and now it is becoming a reality.

Astra Zeneca continues to expand on the biomedical campus:


AstraZeneca could build a new six-storey block at Cambridge Biomedical Campus (CBC) to house offices and a conference centre.
The biopharmaceutical company submitted plans to Cambridge City Council for the proposed development in Francis Crick Avenue, Cambridgeshire.
The building would include offices for up to 736 staff, a 200‑person conference centre, a 450‑seat auditorium and a 110-cover restaurant.
Planning documents submitted to the city council, external said: "The proposed facility would enhance collaboration, both internally and with their campus partners, and meet growing demand for larger event spaces."
It came after the company started construction on the Rosalind Franklin Building, a new office building on the campus, at the start of 2025.

The Discovery Drive development on the biomedical campus is progressing rapidly on what is usually called the phase 2 land:


Over 300,000SF of flexible, multi occupancy Life science space being brought forward. The buildings are designed to accommodate wet and dry laboratories alongside office and write up space.

Looking further ahead, green belt land is allocated for biomedical campus phase 3 in the existing South Cambridgeshire local plan, and for both phase 3 and phase 4 land in the draft Greater Cambridge local plan. The phase 3 and phase 4 land is owned by the county council and they signed a deal on developing the land only a few weeks ago.


Today (Thursday, 5 February), the Assets and Procurement Committee at Cambridgeshire County Council agreed its partnership with Prologis to support the future expansion of Cambridge Biomedical Campus.

The committee heard that 67 acres of land, owned by Cambridgeshire County Council, is being put forward to allow the Campus’ next phase of growth, aligned with delivery of the UK’s Modern Industrial Strategy.

Councillors approved the land deal with Prologis, as development partner, for the next two phases of expansion at the Cambridge Biomedical Campus (CBC), marking an important milestone in the long-term evolution of Europe’s foremost life sciences campus. The proposed expansion would significantly increase its scale and capability, strengthening its international role as one of the most important centres for biomedical innovation.

The decision enables Prologis to progress preparatory work on Phases three and four of CBC, representing up to £3 billion ($4 billion) of private investment over the next two decades. The ambition is to double the size of CBC, whilst delivering significant economic, social and infrastructure benefits for Cambridgeshire.

The draft Greater Cambridge local plan also includes a much bigger expansion of Cambourne:


Future Cambourne​

An ambitious spatial framework for the continued expansion of Cambourne in Cambridgeshire​


Tempsford is top of the list of the government's New Towns, and Milton Keynes is also on the list:


Subject to the outcome of this consultation, we are proposing to take forward seven locations in our New Towns Programme:

  • Tempsford
  • Crews Hill and Chase Park, Enfield
  • Leeds South Bank
  • Manchester Victoria North
  • Thamesmead, Greenwich
  • Brabazon and the West Innovation Arc, South Gloucestershire
  • Milton Keynes

The government recently consulted on establishing a Development Corporation for Greater Cambridge, with more development in addition to the draft local plan:


This consultation is published by the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government and seeks views on establishing a new development corporation in Greater Cambridge, to be known as the Greater Cambridge Development Corporation (“the Development Corporation”).

All of this only works with East West Rail linking the new employment on the biomedical campus with the new houses in Cambourne and Tempsford.
 

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Well. I'm not aware of any planned Cambridge - Bedford Motorway, but the A428 upgrade is steaming ahead. And going by what's been achieved so far it will probably be finished and open before EWR's Development Consent Order lands on a government desk !

There was the proposed Cambridge to Oxford "Expressway" but that was scrapped by the previous government mainly due to opposition at the Oxford end.

Once Blackcat is sorted out there will be an excellent (if not motorway) connection between Cambridge, Bedford and Milton Keynes which will then dump you onto backroads to Oxford,

Just a shame that EWR and the Expressway couldn't have been planned as a single integrated project...
 

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I love when people say things like this but are quiet about projects like Crossrail, the Northumberland line, and the ongoing (going well!) TRU. EWR Bletchley-Oxford will open, and will (more than likely) be very successful. I'm surprised people still think like this in 2026.
I'm sure it will. But how much is it costing the taxpayer in the meantime ?

And the reason "people think like this in 2026" is because the world has changed and most people look at cost before looking at anything else (I've certainly witnessed this change in my working lifetime, everything is run by accountants even if in the long run trying to save money actually means it costs more).

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There was the proposed Cambridge to Oxford "Expressway" but that was scrapped by the previous government mainly due to opposition at the Oxford end.

Once Blackcat is sorted out there will be an excellent (if not motorway) connection between Cambridge, Bedford and Milton Keynes which will then dump you onto backroads to Oxford,

Just a shame that EWR and the Expressway couldn't have been planned as a single integrated project...
I am fully aware of that thank you. As I do live in the area that the A428 and EWR affects.
 

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I love when people say things like this but are quiet about projects like Crossrail, the Northumberland line, and the ongoing (going well!) TRU. EWR Bletchley-Oxford will open, and will (more than likely) be very successful. I'm surprised people still think like this in 2026.
Crossrail opened four years late and was significantly over budget. Please don't gloss over this.
 

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I suggest they procure trains without doors for the second phase; would prevent the farcical situation of the Oxford-Bletchley section from being repeated
 

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I suggest they procure trains without doors for the second phase; would prevent the farcical situation of the Oxford-Bletchley section from being repeated
Or perhaps just liaise with industry workers, procure rolling stock to match their service aspirations and build infrastructure with associated equipment appropriate to the desired method of dispatch BEFORE completion.
You know… all of those things that EWR should have done, but didn’t.
 

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No more of the route will be built.
The railway has blotted its copy book.
HS2 is a farce.
What exists of EWR has been destroyed by Red Robbo. Jobs for the boys, or nobody.
May aswell just build a dirty great motorway, at least they can't argue about who'll be opening the doors.
Whose Red Robbo??
 

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Whose Red Robbo??
Red Robbo was a militant trade unionist back in the days of British Leyland, but the name has become used for anyone a bit too far left of the commentating persons position. Some could regard the intended slur instead as a badge to be worn with pride.

From Wikipedia
Derek Robinson (1927–2017) was a British trade unionist. For much of the 1970s, he was a convenor and shop steward at the British Leyland car manufacturing company. He was commonly referred to in the press as "Red Robbo".
 

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Red Robbo was a militant trade unionist back in the days of British Leyland, but the name has become used for anyone a bit too far left of the commentating persons position. Some could regard the intended slur instead as a badge to be worn with pride.

From Wikipedia
I’m well aware of Derek Robinson but not sure who you would be suggesting is the Red Robbo in this particular situation
 

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Red Robbo was a militant trade unionist back in the days of British Leyland, but the name has become used for anyone a bit too far left of the commentating persons position. Some could regard the intended slur instead as a badge to be worn with pride.
More specifically, Derek Robinson was union convenor at the British Leyland car factory at Longbridge. He held outdoor mass meetings of members on nearby Cofton Common where strikes would be decided by show of hands.
 

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I’m well aware of Derek Robinson but not sure who you would be suggesting is the Red Robbo in this particular situation
I didn't make the suggestion but I surmise the poster was referring to the union position on DOO (driver only operation) and its suggested connection to the lack of passenger service on the currently completed section of EWR.

The DOO debate has been thrashed to death several times, gets very acrimonious and positions are so entrenched it is probably entirely pointless rehashing it yet again. Particularly on a thread about EWR consultation. Unless the consultation specifically raises the issue that is.
 

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Lots of negative comments in the Cambridge News
Going back to the original post in this newly spun-off thread, and studiously avoiding any mention of industrial relations, the Cambridge News article represents an apogee for modern journalism, which is the ability to take a few comments on social media and turn that into the story itself.

Based solely on this story, nobody knows if these comments are from a few passionate but unconnected opponents EWR, the results of a more co-ordinated campaign by local "Stop EWR" groups, or a more widespread consensus, or Russian bots for that matter.

I certainly understand scepticism, but there is so much government political capital behind it now as noted above, that there are also a different reason for Doom and Gloom. If there's a real risk the next Government may cancel EWR, that can create a headlong rush to get contracts awarded, shovels in the ground and past the point of no return before the next general election. A root cause of HS2's issues is said to be that they rushed to start before designs were properly matured. This also gives a large construction site that politicians can tour wearing some hi-viz, and Labour would probably like to have that in Spring 2029.
 

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No more of the route will be built.
The railway has blotted its copy book.
HS2 is a farce.
What exists of EWR has been destroyed by Red Robbo. Jobs for the boys, or nobody.
May aswell just build a dirty great motorway, at least they can't argue about who'll be opening the doors.
Who is 'Red Robbo'?

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Some could regard the intended slur instead as a badge to be worn with pride.
Some like me.
 

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the Cambridge News article represents an apogee for modern journalism, which is the ability to take a few comments on social media and turn that into the story itself.
I have been reading the Cambridge News on and off for more than half a century. Compared to other local rags it has always been dire, but got much worse in the internet age. Like other local newspapers its advertising income has been hammered, in the pre-internet age its main business was the jobs, property and motoring pages.

If there's a real risk the next Government may cancel EWR, that can create a headlong rush to get contracts awarded, shovels in the ground and past the point of no return before the next general election. A root cause of HS2's issues is said to be that they rushed to start before designs were properly matured.
I think this is an unfair criticism of East West Rail. We have had previous consultations in 2019, 2021 and 2024, this will be the fourth consultation prior to the DCO application. East West Rail also slotted in some extra consultation, via the You Said We Did report, for parts of the project with significant changes from the 2024 consultation. That ought to be enough to get designs that are properly matured. For me, the main outstanding issues for the 2026 consultation are related to the construction period, not what the railway will be when it is completed.
 

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Its a dig at the unions.
Yes, I gathered as much later. I remember Red Ken (Livingstone), and Red Derek (Hatton), also the latter is a racehorse! Foaled 6 April 2016. I don't know whether to post a link here to Billy Bragg singing the Internationale on Youtube... probably not.
 

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The shambles over the delayed Bicester to Bletchley section hardly helps the case for the rest of the line, or indeed for future railway expansion or reopenings.
 

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The shambles over the delayed Bicester to Bletchley section hardly helps the case for the rest of the line, or indeed for future railway expansion or reopenings.

But then the Camp Hill Line and Northumberland Line have opened without problems. This is simply a classic DOO dispute, no different from the one GTR had a while back in principle, but different in the sense that as the line hasn't opened the TOC can hold out for as long as they want as nobody can complain to the same extent about a strike* on something that hasn't operated in the last 50 odd years.

* Not technically an actual strike of course.
 

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But then the Camp Hill Line and Northumberland Line have opened without problems. This is simply a classic DOO dispute, no different from the one GTR had a while back in principle, but different in the sense that as the line hasn't opened the TOC can hold out for as long as they want as nobody can complain to the same extent about a strike* on something that hasn't operated in the last 50 odd years.

* Not technically an actual strike of course.
The public though, having seen the money spent, and all for nothing yet, will hardly think "let's spend some more money on the railways". Especially with the horrendous Botley Road shambles nearby.
 

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But then the Camp Hill Line and Northumberland Line have opened without problems. This is simply a classic DOO dispute, no different from the one GTR had a while back in principle, but different in the sense that as the line hasn't opened the TOC can hold out for as long as they want as nobody can complain to the same extent about a strike* on something that hasn't operated in the last 50 odd years.

* Not technically an actual strike of course.
Camp Hill wasn't exactly on time though, by a number of years.
 

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I love when people say things like this but are quiet about projects like Crossrail, the Northumberland line, and the ongoing (going well!) TRU. EWR Bletchley-Oxford will open, and will (more than likely) be very successful. I'm surprised people still think like this in 2026.

Of course Bletchley-Oxford will open, and completely agree it will be successful and the delay in opening will soon be forgotten. Nonetheless, the farce isn’t a good look for politicians and the rail industry as a whole.

Northumberland Line hasn’t helped itself either with likes like “nice for us to have a station here in Seaton Delaval, shame we can’t actually get on the 2-car trains”. Seems like that will get solved and hopefully be forgotten about in due course, but again it just doesn’t look good.
 

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Of course Bletchley-Oxford will open, and completely agree it will be successful and the delay in opening will soon be forgotten. Nonetheless, the farce isn’t a good look for politicians and the rail industry as a whole.
Well, I think it especially isn't a good look for the unions. In an environment where the Labour party is becoming more "we need to trim back regulations that are blocking infrastructure", it might not be a good idea for the unions to look like they're blocking a line opening...
 

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Well, I think it especially isn't a good look for the unions. In an environment where the Labour party is becoming more "we need to trim back regulations that are blocking infrastructure", it might not be a good idea for the unions to look like they're blocking a line opening...
By the same brush it isn't a good look for Chiltern to appear to be blocking the line opening by objecting to Winslow station.

Funny how the Unions objections' to DOO have got a decent amount of the narrative but the TOC refusing to accept a brand new station hasn't caused serious headlines about DfT, EWR Alliance or Chiltern.
There is this paywalled RAIL article: https://www.railmagazine.com/news/chiltern-railways-yet-to-adopt-winslow-station-on-east-west-rail
 

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By the same brush it isn't a good look for Chiltern to appear to be blocking the line opening by objecting to Winslow station.

Funny how the Unions objections' to DOO have got a decent amount of the narrative but the TOC refusing to accept a brand new station hasn't caused serious headlines about DfT, EWR Alliance or Chiltern.
There is this paywalled RAIL article: https://www.railmagazine.com/news/chiltern-railways-yet-to-adopt-winslow-station-on-east-west-rail
Is that actually blocking opening? I can't read the article, but isn't it possible to start services and just skip that station?
 

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By the same brush it isn't a good look for Chiltern to appear to be blocking the line opening by objecting to Winslow station.

Funny how the Unions objections' to DOO have got a decent amount of the narrative but the TOC refusing to accept a brand new station hasn't caused serious headlines about DfT, EWR Alliance or Chiltern.
There is this paywalled RAIL article: https://www.railmagazine.com/news/chiltern-railways-yet-to-adopt-winslow-station-on-east-west-rail
It's not paywalled - you can register and then read, free.

Clip from the article - this is one of the things they were fixing (assume it's done by now!!!?)
“It has several glass doors, it’s open-plan concourse. It’s fine on a summer’s day, but in the middle of winter it is absolutely freezing. And we’re expecting people to go and work in there on an eight-hour shift, and for customers to wait for their train in that environment. “The door opens every 30 seconds. It’s an icy wind tunnel.”
 

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Open without Winslow? And winterize the waiting room?

This is a bit farcical.

Not sure which of the consultation pieces are new, but the 'Cambridge East' name feels new, and the stabling. Would be curious to see what those plans are - given it is to be something of a terminus on a through line.
 

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