Southeastern services to City Thameslink station.

[SE%Traveller]

387s, not 378s

Yes Indeed! Longitude seating of the Overground train wouldn't be welcome!

I remember reading somewhere on these forums that the 375s were built for Thameslink 2000 in mind

Wikipedia suggests its was the 387, 70 sets in all by the way I read it: Class 387

 

[CarrotPie]

Wikipedia suggests its was the 387, 70 sets in all by the way I read it: Class 387

I can't see that anywhere. The 387s only operated on Thameslink for a few years as a stopgap measure to allow the 319s and 377s to be withdrawn quicker than when the 700s arrived. After that, they've ended up in the GTR lucky dip of Electrostars, which is sort of what was intended for them in the first place.

I remember reading somewhere on these forums that the 375s were built for Thameslink 2000 in mind

There is a thread about this here and additional posts here, here and here. Some of them even suggest that the reason for the pantographs was because they were intended to be used on HS1, which is...interesting, to say the least.

Does anyone know if the pantographs are still there, and if so, whether SE bother maintaining them anymore, considering they never run under the wires?

 

[Sad Sprinter]

Yes Indeed! Longitude seating of the Overground train wouldn't be welcome!



Wikipedia suggests its was the 387, 70 sets in all by the way I read it: Class 387

I can't see that anywhere. The 387s only operated on Thameslink for a few years as a stopgap measure to allow the 319s and 377s to be withdrawn quicker than when the 700s arrived. After that, they've ended up in the GTR lucky dip of Electrostars, which is sort of what was intended for them in the first place.


There is a thread about this here and additional posts here, here and here. Some of them even suggest that the reason for the pantographs was because they were intended to be used on HS1, which is...interesting, to say the least.

Does anyone know if the pantographs are still there, and if so, whether SE bother maintaining them anymore, considering they never run under the wires?

That doesn’t surprise me, because NSE first proposed running HS1 trains onto Thameslink. Although their train would still have been a high speed train, maybe by the late 90s there was no specification for a high speed domestic train and so any design was a possibility.

 

[RichJF]

I can't see that anywhere. The 387s only operated on Thameslink for a few years as a stopgap measure to allow the 319s and 377s to be withdrawn quicker than when the 700s arrived. After that, they've ended up in the GTR lucky dip of Electrostars, which is sort of what was intended for them in the first place.


There is a thread about this here and additional posts here, here and here. Some of them even suggest that the reason for the pantographs was because they were intended to be used on HS1, which is...interesting, to say the least.

Does anyone know if the pantographs are still there, and if so, whether SE bother maintaining them anymore, considering they never run under the wires?

The pantographs are still there. I got on a 375/6 the other day

 

[Surreytraveller]

The pantographs are still there. I got on a 375/6 the other day

I wonder if they're still maintained, though?

 

[Tangent]

Yes that’s plausible.

I recall one incident during the London Bridge rebuild; I think it happened when Cannon Street trains could not call at London Bridge. An Up train for Charing Cross was given the wrong road at St John's Junction, and continued regardless on its way to Cannon Street. I noticed we were on the wrong road for Charing Cross; but none of the other passengers seemed to notice, and the driver made no announcement until we reached the station throat at London Bridge, to general consternation.

 

[Mattplans]

Up train for Charing Cross was given the wrong road at St John's Junction, and continued regardless on its way to Cannon Street. I noticed we were on the wrong road for Charing Cross; but none of the other passengers seemed to notice.

They can still crossover back to the Kent Fasts (Charing X lines) after New Cross. Contrary to what has been claimed by Southeastern to justify lack of trains from New Cross to Charing X

 

[FR510]

They can still crossover back to the Kent Fasts (Charing X lines) after New Cross. Contrary to what has been claimed by Southeastern to justify lack of trains from New Cross to Charing X

Yes, North Kent East Junction and the Southwark Reversible line, which is what the Rainham Thameslinks use when they come off the Greenwich line. Although if too many trains did that it would have pathing issues.

 

[PZ 08895]

Huh. So then how come 375s aren't cleared? They're basically the same as 377s...

I am not certain that this is the reason, but the OLE is exceptionally low around City Thameslink due to low clearance from a structure above. When the 377/5s, which at one stage ran through the Thameslink Cire were first fitted with GSM-R (train radios) shark-fin antennas (aerials) it was realised that they did not have the necessary clearance to the OLE around City Thameslink and they were then replaced with a lower-profile antenna. It could be the case that the 375 do not have these lower profile antennas and are therefore not cleared.

 

[swt_passenger]

I am not certain that this is the reason, but the OLE is exceptionally low around City Thameslink due to low clearance from a structure above. When the 377/5s, which at one stage ran through the Thameslink Cire were first fitted with GSM-R (train radios) shark-fin antennas (aerials) it was realised that they did not have the necessary clearance to the OLE around City Thameslink and they were then replaced with a lower-profile antenna. It could be the case that the 375 do not have these lower profile antennas and are therefore not cleared.

That’s how it was explained at the time, ie around 2011. There was a period when the OHLE through City Thameslink was fitted but permanently earthed, because 375s were still booked but fouled the overhead. There was a network change notice I remember looking up, but it didn’t give an explicit reason, just the fact that the wires would not be switched on until 465? and 375 services ceased. The different rooftop aerials on certain classes were then mentioned in later forum discussions.

I found my post which includes the NR Summary of the situation:

city thameslink OHLE?

I read on the thameslink page that OHLE is extended to city thameslink station. i havent been there to see but does this mean the changeover of power will be here and not farringdon or are the desrio city units maybe having a design so they can change power on tge move between these two...

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[Sad Sprinter]

I am not certain that this is the reason, but the OLE is exceptionally low around City Thameslink due to low clearance from a structure above. When the 377/5s, which at one stage ran through the Thameslink Cire were first fitted with GSM-R (train radios) shark-fin antennas (aerials) it was realised that they did not have the necessary clearance to the OLE around City Thameslink and they were then replaced with a lower-profile antenna. It could be the case that the 375 do not have these lower profile antennas and are therefore not cleared.

Presumably they didnt have lower profiles because of their possible use for HS1?