GTR do not travel 04/02/2026

[Jan Mayen]

Heard on Radio 4 News that GTR have issued a do not travel notice due to multiple incidents.
I understand this is due to a derailment in a depot. Anyone have any other information?

 

[KT550]

It's on the BBC website now

Warnings of major rail disruption in south-east until end of day after train derails

One commuter said "it was carnage" as she was caught up in the travel disruption at East Croydon this morning.

www.bbc.co.uk

Train operators Southern, Thameslink and Gatwick Express are warning of major disruption until the end of the day due to "multiple incidents"

These include a train derailment inside a depot in Selhurst in south-east London and a signalling fault between London Blackfriars and Norwood Junction

National Rail says "do not travel where possible on Thameslink services, and some Southern services this morning"

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The live trains page on the Southern app is still showing half-hourly TL service from Horley [northbound], along with the cancellations.

 

[wanderingriver]

TfL have partly suspended the Windrush Line between Sydenham and West Croydon

 

[Silver Cobra]

Thameslink have thinned out their service as a result of this disruption. Services on the Cambridge-Brighton, Bedford-Three Bridges and London Bridge-Orpington routes are suspended, while the Peterborough-Horsham and Bedford-Brighton services are being diverted via Elephant & Castle (the Peterborough-Horsham services also calling at Earlswood and Salfords).

Despite the disruption this morning, the Peterborough-Horsham services appear to be running with minimal delays. Sort of makes the 'Do Not Travel' notice feel a bit of an overreaction (of course, I know it's to avoid mass crowding on the few services that are still running, which would cause further delays).

 

[cduncan]

Signalling issues in the core plus the Selhurst derailment. Was code black (do not travel) until around 9:15, back to code red. Appears Blackfriars-London Bridge currently shut for an hour or so.

 

[dk1]

One of those days.

 

[talldave]

What was irritating this morning was that Southern's website said nothing. It was only when I had driven to the station that I saw the derailment info on the platform displays. By which time I'd wasted 20 minutes that I could have already started on what was a 1hr 40m drive to the office .

 

[Peter Mugridge]

It's 377 464 off the rails; coupled to 377 444. They're in the depot throat at the Norwood Junction end.

Picture below grabbed from a passing train. Apologies for the poor quality; the sun was on the window plus it's a mobile phone picture of the back of my camera...

 

[TransportHub]

Re-railing seems to be underway, these were taken just now from a passing train

 

[rmHawk765]

Services on the Cambridge-Brighton, Bedford-Three Bridges and London Bridge-Orpington routes are suspended

Almost all but the Suttons on the MML are gone, and Cambridge has lost 2tph. The lack of recovery never ceases to amaze...

 

[ChiefPlanner]

Luton - Rainham has defaulted to a shuttle in deepest Kent !

 

[Deepgreen]

Any thoughts as to the derailment's cause - trap/catch points passed, poor track quality, etc? I appreciate these things can take time to emerge, but... The shots in post 9 appear to show points beneath the derailed coaches.

 

[Bikeman78]

Almost all but the Suttons on the MML are gone, and Cambridge has lost 2tph. The lack of recovery never ceases to amaze...

There was also some sort of signalling or track circuit problem. Some trains ran as booked through Sydenham, whilst others diverted via Selhurst and Herne Hill. The only line blocked appears to be the up slow between Windmill Bridge jn and Norwood Junction. That ought to have little impact on Thameslink. Certainly shouldn't affect Luton to Rainham.

 

[TUC]

What was irritating this morning was that Southern's website said nothing. It was only when I had driven to the station that I saw the derailment info on the platform displays. By which time I'd wasted 20 minutes that I could have already started on what was a 1hr 40m drive to the office .

Too many TOCs seem to treat their webpages as the last place to give updates on severe disruption, and even when they do, it is often buried within a Disruptions webpage rather than being immediately visible on the home page.

 

[Mattplans]

Too many TOCs seem to treat their webpages as the last place to give updates on severe disruption, and even when they do, it is often buried within a Disruptions webpage rather than being immediately visible on the home page.

To make matters worse, GTR favours a strange and vague "Due to incidents taking place on multiple places on our network....." disruption message. Note that there are some routes that were not affected by the Selhurst derailment today. It's more helpful for them to say what, where etc in my opinion. But, no, the passenger must do further detailed investigations to find out if an incident at a will affect their journey between b and c,

 

[Bald Rick]

Almost all but the Suttons on the MML are gone, and Cambridge has lost 2tph. The lack of recovery never ceases to amaze...

What are you talking about?

By 1700 this evening it was a near normal service on the MML, only 7 trains northbound cancelled since then (out of nearly 50 planned to run).

 

[Bikeman78]

To make matters worse, GTR favours a strange and vague "Due to incidents taking place on multiple places on our network....." disruption message. Note that there are some routes that were not affected by the Selhurst derailment today. It's more helpful for them to say what, where etc in my opinion. But, no, the passenger must do further detailed investigations to find out if an incident at a will affect their journey between b and c,

I tried using the journey planner at 13:30 to find a train from St Pancras to Earlswood. The first option was around 15:30. All the Bedford to Three Bridges trains were cancelled. Supposedly the Peterborough to Horsham trains were stopping at Earlswood and Salfords but that was not reflected on journey planners or station info screens. When I boarded a train at 13:45, there was absolutely nothing to tell me that it would stop at Earlswood. That was first mentioned at East Croydon, at 14:25.

 

[TrenHotel]

Luton - Rainham has defaulted to a shuttle in deepest Kent !

Sounds about normal for Thameslink's treatment of the service through Greenwich - scrap it at the slightest hint of disruption.

 

[LUYMun]

I have seen a video of a front view camera on the derailed train coming off the points while also hitting another train also diverging from the depot which thankfully didn’t derail. Not sure if I should share here now but it is jaw-dropping.

 

[a340egkk]

One unit SPAD signal T10 on the Norwood Fork Arrival, derailed on the catch points and in the process collided with the side of another coming out of the departure road / depot.

 

[wanderingriver]

I have seen a video of a front view camera on the derailed train coming off the points while also hitting another train also diverging from the depot which thankfully didn’t derail. Not sure if I should share here now but it is jaw-dropping.

Just saw what I’m guessing is this video uploaded onto YouTube but very low quality (weirdly also with the Thomas The Tank Engine theme song playing over it). That looked bad. I have been busy all day though, I thought it was one train that derailed, not a collision. Or has there been 2 derailments today?

 

[LUYMun]

One unit SPAD signal T10 on the Norwood Fork Arrival, derailed on the catch points and in the process collided with the side of another coming out of the departure road / depot.

The video in question first had a shunting signal set to clear to next block and then a second one near the red aspect for the diverging train on the left so it’s likely a case where the driver misinterpreted this signal as their own, resulting in the SPAD and derailment.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

One unit SPAD signal T10 on the Norwood Fork Arrival, derailed on the catch points and in the process collided with the side of another coming out of the departure road / depot.

There were posts on se-gen yesterday suggesting that the other train in the collision was allowed straight back out into service afterwards; isn't that a bit unusual?

 

[Deepgreen]

There were posts on se-gen yesterday suggesting that the other train in the collision was allowed straight back out into service afterwards; isn't that a bit unusual?

Seems unusual but if the speed involved was very low (I don't know what the speed was) and no visible damage occurred, why withdraw it? "Collision" doesn't have to mean damaging impact, but literally the coming-together of two objects. Having said that, today's safety-focused approach would usually suggest that anything involved would be examined in depot, etc. I also recall a discussion some time back about the placement of signals at this location, with alleged confusion by drivers over which applied to their track, but that was on the main line (with an adjacent depot road signal requiring a special sign to differentiate it). Is there a connection here, I wonder.

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The video in question first had a shunting signal set to clear to next block and then a second one near the red aspect for the diverging train on the left so it’s likely a case where the driver misinterpreted this signal as their own, resulting in the SPAD and derailment.

Interesting - is it facile to suggest that a driver should double-check their perceived signal aspect with the setting of the points ahead, especially at the low speed involved here? I think I would, but that's just my 'armchair' observation. BTW, I am not impugning the driver here, as I don't have the facts, just speaking more generally.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Having said that, today's safety-focused approach would usually suggest that anything involved would be examined in depot, etc.

That was what I was thinking - although a very low speed impact, there is always the possibility of some hidden damage that might not be immediately obvious?

 

[TransportHub]

There were posts on se-gen yesterday suggesting that the other train in the collision was allowed straight back out into service afterwards; isn't that a bit unusual?

Not so much allowed out into service, but the driver was unaware of the collision and carried on as usual. They got to North Dulwich before fleet control rang them

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Not so much allowed out into service, but the driver was unaware of the collision and carried on as usual. They got to North Dulwich before fleet control rang them

Good Grief!!!

 

[Deepgreen]

Not so much allowed out into service, but the driver was unaware of the collision and carried on as usual. They got to North Dulwich before fleet control rang them

Wow! That gives an indication of the strength of impact I suppose, but there can't be many train collisions where one just carries on, obvious to the fact! It was presumably an ECS working, and I wonder whether, had it been in service, anyone on board would have noticed if it involved looking up from their phones! The Control message must have been amusing - "did you know your train crashed a few miles back...?".

 

[king_walnut]

 

[Mattplans]

Other train involved https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:P44785/2026-02-04/detailed