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Train buttons that do not press- a criticism

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Not sure I like the sound of this, where can I read more? Thanks
With things generally moving to pedestrianisation, there's definitely going to be more of them. They probably won't make it out of city centres for a while though. I don't have any definite sources, but it's inevitable that they will be installed in other areas outside of London that see high numbers of people walking.
 
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Erm, they break frequently. You probably just haven't noticed, which is unsurprising, because when they're broken the doors are isolated and left open. I don't need to point out why the external doors being isolated is rather more serious an issue. Perhaps be a tad more careful with your assumptions!

Again though, do they break any more frequently than push buttons, or is that an assumption you're making?

Given you are coming across as quite confident in your claims, I assume you have some kind of proof to back them up?
 

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The ones used on Class 318/320/334/380 where you can press and hold the button before the train stops, and the doors open instantly once released by driver.

The 385 buttons are horrible in comparison.
'Press and hold'. That's exactly the thing I've seen many people having trouble with. On some units the press must be sufficiently long (perhaps 1s?) or it doesn't count. I saw people having trouble almost every day on the 317s. Still, it's better than the original class 313 setup where flanges were provided and the passemnger expected to try to push the door open until the mechanism took over. They really were a bad idea.

As to the subject of this thread, I have never had any sort of problem with dorr opening buttons. They either work, or very occasionally have a sign to the effect that you should try a different set of doors.
 

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Again though, do they break any more frequently than push buttons, or is that an assumption you're making?
I never said that. I said you were relying on an availability bias.

Given you are coming across as quite confident in your claims, I assume you have some kind of proof to back them up?
My suggestion would be if you try to speak to people slightly more warmly you will be more likely to get positive responses.
 

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On what fleet and at what frequency do you find faulty sensor buttons?

For balance, physical push buttons also fail, nothing is perfect.
That comment was aimed at pedestrian crossings. Though on closer inspection, they are in fact buttons. So they are just unreliable.

As regards train buttons, I prefer the external door buttons on a 150 to a 197. I find them easier to use.
 

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It seems rather insensitive of you to argue that the new doors aren't better.
That's ridiculous. The OP said it would likely have taken a while for people to get used to sliding doors when they first replaced slam doors. To try and shoehorn that into something potentially "cancellable" - is an outrageous manipulation of his post, frankly.
 
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That is a terrifying thought. I hope it's just a dodgy button you encountered and they do work with gloves almost all the time. Does anyone know?
I made a mistake. All the crossings I use frequently are in fact push buttons. Some are very hit and miss, and have been so for months. I have no data to prove that the failure rate is worse than 20 years ago. Perhaps broken buttons don't get repaired or replaced as quickly because all the councils are short of money.

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'Press and hold'. That's exactly the thing I've seen many people having trouble with.
To the best of my knowledge, the only vehicles that require the button to be held down are the six remaining class 508 trailers. I do the same as the person you replied to. If I hold down the open button, the doors will open instantly when released by the crew.
 

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I've noticed a lot of complaints in this thread about the 385 doors, for having this issue, but I largely think a greater issue concerns the 380s. True, their buttons may "press," but I've noticed several times that sometimes the door chime is barely audible. A few times I've almost been left behind at Johnstone because I've been waiting for the doors to be released, only to realise they have been for a while, and the chime hardly sounded.
 

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I am surprised these are allowed as there banned in elevators due to accessibility issues.
Oh!!! Is that why one of the banks of lifts at the Royal London has a sign near it pointing to the "accessible lifts"?

That always has me scratching my head.

(It's a bank of lifts where you have to choose a destination on the outside, and I have only got myself stuck in one once so far)
 

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The Class 390 which obviously dates back to 2002 had these over a decade before they came on en-masse, on their internal vestibule/saloon doors. I think they’re much better than the dodgy sensor operated ones on Turbostars and Turbos where you have to grab the doors and yank them open.
They’re pretty unreliable. I end up using the top of an intermediate phalange to give them a greater surface area to detect which still requires repeated annoyed tapping g sometimes. Plus stops me getting other peoples snot on my finger tips.
 

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I am a bit confused - are we talking about internal or external doors?

Internally I cant say I have ever noticed a door "button" failure on a Pendolino. It is certainly better than the old school footpad. The Pendolino door could do with a sensitive edge mind.
 

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That's ridiculous. The OP said it would likely have taken a while for people to get used to sliding doors when they first replaced slam doors. To try and shoehorn that into something potentially "cancellable" - is an outrageous manipulation of his post, frankly.
Who said anything about cancellation? I said it was insensitive or careless to draw a comparison with something which is pretty much universally acknowledged as a improvement, not that something malicious was intended. I can't see how something vastly easier for everyone involved "takes a while for people to get used to", which was my point. No further clarification on how it does was forthcoming.
 

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If anyone would like to speculate as to what improvements could be made in this area then they are welcome to start a new thread in the Speculative Ideas section of the forum

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