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Passing loops on the Elizabeth line

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I found this article written a few months ago advocating for passing loops on the Elizabeth line to allow trains to overtake interesting. I have tried to trim the article down for my quote, but I had to keep a fair bit of it to not omit important information.


The Elizabeth Line is already overcrowded: it operates 16 trains per hour (tph) in the off-peak, and 24 tph in the peak. This gives it a maximum capacity of only 36,000 passengers per hour per direction (pphpd), which is less than the Victoria Line’s 40,608 pphpd, even though Victoria Line trains are smaller. Anecdotally, the Elizabeth Line is close to being full in the peak.

The crowding is worsened by the fact the Elizabeth Line awkwardly splits in the east, so that half the trains go to Canary Wharf and half to Stratford. Even though both of these are very important destinations, each only gets a half service.

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There is a fundamental problem with the Elizabeth Line: it is trying to operate a service pattern much more complex than most metro lines, and is trying to do so at high train frequencies. This will inevitably constrain the line’s ability to run a reliable service.

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All railways face a trilemma between three desirable things: reliability, frequency, and complexity. ‘Complexity’ means express services, branches, and sharing tracks with other services. Railways can, essentially, pick two of these things.

The reason for this is straightforward. A more complex line has more points of failure, so it is easier for delays to cascade from one service to another. This is less of a problem if the line is not busy, as there is recovery time built into the timetable. But operating a complex service pattern at high frequencies will lead to delays.

The eastern side of the Elizabeth Line is not especially complex: it has two branches, and every train stops at every station. The western half, however, is much more complex. In the peak, the 24 tph break down as follows:

14 tph terminating at Paddington.

4 tph to Heathrow Terminal 4, stopping at all stations.

2 tph to Heathrow Terminal 5, skipping some stations.

4 tph to Reading, skipping a different group of stations from the Terminal 5 trains.

Furthermore, west of Slough it has to share tracks with trains to Didcot, and on much of the line there are freight trains as well, which can lead to cascading delays.

Reading is 63 km by rail from Farringdon, so it needs fast services to ensure competitive journey times. On any railway, there are two ways to run fast services: using a separate pair of tracks for the expresses, and skip-stop service patterns. Although there are express tracks between London and Reading, they are already taken by the services from London to Bristol and Cardiff. Skip-stop operation is therefore the only way to ensure competitive journey times on the western branch. Skip-stop operation would also be useful on the Shenfield branch: it currently takes 45 minutes to travel 35 km from Shenfield to Farringdon.

Skip-stop services, however, have a big disadvantage: they make it easy for delays to cascade. Imagine a stopping train with a skip-stop service behind it. The stopping train is running late. Because the skip-stop train cannot overtake it, the skip-stop train has to go as slow as the stopping train. As a result, everything behind the skip-stop train gets delayed as well.

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To find a way around this problem, we need to learn from Japan.

It is common among westerners to assume that Japan’s railways are punctual because of cultural values. The Japanese, the story goes, prize obedience and hierarchy, which means they dutifully run their trains punctually. There might be something in this, but I think it has at best a marginal impact. Japanese trains run reliably because they have better infrastructure and better operating practices.

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Only six commuter lines in Japan have four tracks: the JR West line that goes Kyoto – Osaka – Kobe, and five lines radiating from Tokyo.

The rest of Japan’s lines have to make do with just two tracks, but owing to the size of Japanese cities, a mixture of stopping and semifast services is required so that everywhere gets quick journey times to the city centre. This is a very similar problem to one faced by the Elizabeth Line.

Japan manages to run these complex services reliably with passing loops. Rather than four-tracking an entire line, particular stations get four tracks, which merge back down to two shortly after the station. This allows the fast trains to overtake the slow ones while they wait in the platform at that station.

A typical example is the Hanshin Main Line, one of the lines between Osaka and Kobe. It runs for 32 km, with a station every kilometre.

West of Amagasaki, a major junction, eight stations have passing loops, with one roughly spaced every third station.

The passing loops mean that Hanshin can operate a very complicated, intense service pattern reliably. In the evening peak, there are 21 tph heading west from Amagasaki, with five different stopping patterns. This is much more complicated than the Elizabeth Line, which only runs 8 tph west of Paddington with three stopping patterns.

The current timetable only uses the passing loops at two stations, Nishinomiya and Mikage. But the line has eight stations with passing loops rather than just these two. The big advantage of a high density of passing loops is flexibility and redundancy to the timetable: if a fast train is delayed, then a local train can wait around in a different passing loop. In turn, this means that trains can very quickly recover from delays.

(The downside is that the slow trains do have to wait around for the fast trains to pass. This is unavoidable: the only way to eliminate this trade-off entirely would be to quadruple the whole line, which would be very expensive.)

Passing loops are how Japan can operate services that are reliable, frequent and complex. Nearly every Japanese railway company uses passing loops, because they are the right way to operate a reliable, frequent service with skip-stop operation.

It is worth noting that no railways in Great Britain are run like Hanshin. As far as I am aware, the operating practice is unknown. We do sometimes use passing loops for freight trains, and there are one or two stations that are set up nicely for late-running expresses to overtake local trains, but this is certainly not a regularly timetabled practice. The reason for this is probably historical. In the past, British railways have responded to the problem of running a mixture of fast and slow services by four-tracking a line for its entire length.

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The Elizabeth Line, however, is a Hanshin-shaped problem. It should rebuilt some of its stations so they can act as passing loops. This means the physical area of the station is expanded to have four Elizabeth Line tracks and two island platforms, 6 in addition to two tracks on the adjoining fast line without platforms.

In some cases, there is room to do this: at Gidea Park, the fast lines could be moved a little bit to the south, to run where the station building currently is. I think this would require only demolishing one other building.

(To be clear, I am not advocating for putting a passing loop at Gidea Park specifically: it is merely illustrative of a station where it would be less complex to add one than in other places.)

In other places, it would be much more complicated.

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To be clear, passing loops are expensive, disruptive and time-consuming to retrofit. But they are necessary to run an intensive skip-stop service reliably. The alternative would be either running the Elizabeth Line at lower frequencies, or withdrawing the skip-stop service altogether, both of which are non-starters.

Passing loops should be combined with stations every 1.0–1.5 km within the London urban area, which is roughly the optimal distance for suburban stations.

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Choosing where to put in passing loops is essentially a pragmatic decision on the basis of where it is easiest to add them, and they do not need to be built all at once. Every new passing loop is useful, because it gives more options as to where slow trains can be overtaken. A programme of upgrading the Elizabeth Line through passing loops can and should be incremental.

A theme of this Substack is that there are a lot of underrated ideas to improve Britain’s railway services that come from abroad. The railway industry does not appear to be particularly curious about the rest of the world, which is a shame. We should be learning from Japanese passing loops, Swiss timetabling and German tram-metro systems.
 
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I must be missing something, because I can't see what the author thinks passing loops would acheive. The EL is mostly part of a 4-track railway and runs the all-stations service. Over the longest non-stop section, Ealing to W Drayton, the difference in net times between non-stop and all-stations is 5-6 minutes. To allow overtaking without delaying the stopper you would have to add an extra (reversible*) line over the whole section not just at an individual station.

(Hanwell Viaduct would be a specific additional problem, but let's consider it generically.)

*assuming it's a peak-only problem
 

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The cost of building is prohibitive.

They might get to a more rigid A/B skip stop pattern - if they needed to add additional services.

Right now the options are:
- Extend all Paddington terminators to OOC.
- Convert a few Liverpool St terminators (Gidea Park peaks) into through services, likely only to Padd/OOC.
- Abbey Wood branch could in theory handle more if they could be found - these would likely be peak shuttles to Padd/OOC but it could be all-day in future if demand was there, more units are coming.

Beyond that we get into the difficult options west:
- HEX-type solutions (often discussed, very hard as HEx plays a strategic role on the fasts - nor can Crossrail access them neatly)
- Extend the odd OOC terminator to Hayes bay, West Drayton sidings or additonal Heathrow services (this would be great but difficult with all the freight)
- Ban freight during daytime / highly unlikely, although unused freight paths are an endemic problem to rail growth someone should look at more strictly
- Crossrail takes up another fast pattern - the Didcot service (extend a Reading maybe). HEx goes and 4x fast paths are added.

Extensions and additional trains (north) east are even harder. I think passing loops are not worth it for the layover. I would say services running semi-fast (Stratford/Ilford/Romford) - or fast one segment, not the other - might feel better to some out in Brentwood, but also remove the simplicity of what is now a tube line, ostensibly. The one seat ride and the quick waits and uniformity do compensate for saving 5 mins on a fast service.
 

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The author of the article doesn't seem to know the Great Eastern very well.

It is worth noting that no railways in Great Britain are run like Hanshin. As far as I am aware, the operating practice is unknown.

This is incorrect. The West Anglia Main Line does it with Stansted Express trains overtaking Stratford-Stortford stoppers at either Broxbourne or Harlow Town.

Skip-stop operation would also be useful on the Shenfield branch: it currently takes 45 minutes to travel 35 km from Shenfield to Farringdon.

This is incorrect. It takes 35-37 minutes by getting a fast train to Stratford and changing there for Farringdon.

In some cases, there is room to do this: at Gidea Park, the fast lines could be moved a little bit to the south, to run where the station building currently is. I think this would require only demolishing one other building.

Actually, no they couldn't, as this picture shows:


Gidea Park​


One of the few GEML stations that has island platforms. Left to right are the Up Main, Down Main, Up Electric and Down Electric. None of this fast, relief or slow stuff here please!​


The passing loops mean that Hanshin can operate a very complicated, intense service pattern reliably. In the evening peak, there are 21 tph heading west from Amagasaki, with five different stopping patterns.

Before the Elizabeth Line, the Great Eastern out to Shenfield operated like this, and on a railway with lines paired by use not by direction. The Preparation for the Elizabeth Line deliberately gave it sole use of the Electric Lines between Stratford and Shenfield (apart from ECS moves to and from Ilford car sheds).

Furthermore, west of Slough it has to share tracks with trains to Didcot, and on much of the line there are freight trains as well, which can lead to cascading delays.

The main reason for that is the intermodal traffic to and from Felixstowe. I can't see anywhere that the author has mentioned the need to accommodate freight east of Stratford.
 

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Which line is busier out of the Stratford branch or the Canary Wharf branch? Given that both receive a near 50/50 split in services
 

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Surely the "fast trains running in between stopping trains, both at reasonable intensity" is best illustrated by the LCDR Bromley South- Victoria routes via Herne Hill or via Catford?

Anyway, the author should have discussed- as the London reconnections of a decade ago often discussed- where the best expenditure would be on the GWML to add a short section of extra track, a couple of extra platforms, a flyover etc. Not sure what the answer was!
 

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I found this article written a few months ago advocating for passing loops on the Elizabeth line to allow trains to overtake interesting. I have tried to trim the article down for my quote, but I had to keep a fair bit of it to not omit important information.


Interesting that Crossrail has, perhaps, forgotten the lesson learned by LT when the Bakerloo Line had its junction too close to central London.

The best way to enhance capacity for the time being is to look at lengthening the trains, though not an easy thing to do.
 
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This is incorrect. The West Anglia Main Line does it with Stansted Express trains overtaking Stratford-Stortford stoppers at either Broxbourne or Harlow Town.
Correct, yes. But looking on RTT they are scheduled to wait for 4 minutes To allow that Stansted to catch up and overtake it. To undertake such a practice on the Elizabeth line would make journeys much slower for the likes of Chadwell Heath, Gidea Park and Harold Wood (basically any stop that wouldn’t be served by these new ”faster” services).
 
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