Train cancelled and has an advance ticket - getting on the next available train?

[danchew]

Hi all,

I had an advance ticket for a Transport for Wales journey this morning which was cancelled. This ticket was valid on TfW services only. However, I was under the impression that travelling on the next available train by any operator was permitted in case of cancellation, so I jumped on the next available train which was GWR. On the train, I was told that I am not permitted to do this. This was the first time I was challenged on this, even though I was allowed to travel without buying a new ticket.

Looking at this page: https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/tick...tickets/advance-tickets-terms-and-conditions/ it says that,

8.4 If the train you purchased [an advance] ticket for is cancelled or is delayed and you still decide to travel, special arrangements will be made to accommodate you on another train (although a seat cannot be guaranteed).

It doesn't actually say what "special arrangements" these might be. Any advice on this situation?

 

[MrJeeves]

The terms still state:

Tickets may only be used on the services of the Train Company (or geographic route where applicable) shown next to ‘Route’ on the ticket.

There's no mention that this no longer applies if your train is cancelled, hence the ability to use it on the next train is still restricted to trains by the same operator. If the ticket is marked "& connections", there is technically no operator restriction.

If there is widespread disruption, ticket acceptance will usually be announced which will trump this term though.

It doesn't actually say what "special arrangements" these might be. Any advice on this situation?

I've never understood why it says special arrangements as if they're going to roll out the red carpet. It's simply letting you use it on the next train, or more commonly now the previous two and next two trains.

 

[Harpo]

NRES says ticket acceptance in place between Newport & Carmarthen.

You can use your ticket at no extra cost on:

• ..(edit)….
• Great Western Railway between Newport (South Wales) and Carmarthen

Incident: Storm Goretti TfW | National Rail

Storm Goretti is impacting Transport for Wales services today. Find details of all current incidents on National Rail Enquiries.

www.nationalrail.co.uk

 

[danchew]

If there is widespread disruption, ticket acceptance will usually be announced which will trump this term though.

I think this is why I was thinking that it is permitted, because normally when there's been a cancellation and I had to use a different service, it was due to wider disruption and I was allowed to do so. In fact, it seems like I should not have been challenged today, as TfW tickets are being accepted on GWR trains today.

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NRES says ticket acceptance in place between Newport & Carmarthen.

Incident: Storm Goretti TfW | National Rail

Storm Goretti is impacting Transport for Wales services today. Find details of all current incidents on National Rail Enquiries.

www.nationalrail.co.uk

Thanks, so I shouldn't have been challenged today as this applies to my journey. It was not announced in the station that this was the case unfortunately.

 

[MrJeeves]

I think this is why I was thinking that it is permitted, because normally when there's been a cancellation and I had to use a different service, it was due to wider disruption and I was allowed to do so. In fact, it seems like I should not have been challenged today, as TfW tickets are being accepted on GWR trains today.

Yes, you're quite right.

It wasn't clear in your post whether this was something that happened today or in the past. In this case, there should have been no issue at all.

You could consider writing a complaint to GWR but seeing as you aren't out-of-pocket for a new ticket, you don't have any kind of recourse in that respect. Still, it could be a useful datapoint for GWR.

 

[Snow1964]

I do wonder if you are challenged by a ticket inspector who doesn't accept the ticket, if they have an obligation to check or advise you what the 'special arrangements' are under 8.4

I am sure the rules aren't written with intention of making customer pay again, and then going to time and trouble of having to claim a refund.

Special normally means non-standard or temporary adjustment. No way does it mean double up payment.

 

[danchew]

I do wonder if you are challenged by a ticket inspector who doesn't accept the ticket, if they have an obligation to check or advise you what the 'special arrangements' are under 8.4

I am sure the rules aren't written with intention of making customer pay again, and then going to time and trouble of having to claim a refund.

Special normally means non-standard or temporary adjustment. No way does it mean double up payment.

Good point, but I guess they might say that's not their problem because it's not their train that was cancelled?

 

[z444z]

Just to clarify, when you say you were challenged, were you required to pay any amount or given any documentation, or just told the ticket wasn’t valid with no action taken?

 

[danchew]

Just to clarify, when you say you were challenged, were you required to pay any amount or given any documentation, or just told the ticket wasn’t valid with no action taken?

I was told my ticket wasn't valid, but they let me off with a warning/advice.

 

[Ziggiesden]

The terms still state:


There's no mention that this no longer applies if your train is cancelled, hence the ability to use it on the next train is still restricted to trains by the same operator. If the ticket is marked "& connections", there is technically no operator restriction.

If there is widespread disruption, ticket acceptance will usually be announced which will trump this term though.


I've never understood why it says special arrangements as if they're going to roll out the red carpet. It's simply letting you use it on the next train, or more commonly now the previous two and next two trains.

It is to give us the ability to call the control of the next operator and request ticket acceptance. If accepted, we will make a reservation, where possible, and endorse the reservation or ticket (if paper) with the easement.

 

[Ziggiesden]

Hi all,

I had an advance ticket for a Transport for Wales journey this morning which was cancelled. This ticket was valid on TfW services only. However, I was under the impression that travelling on the next available train by any operator was permitted in case of cancellation, so I jumped on the next available train which was GWR. On the train, I was told that I am not permitted to do this. This was the first time I was challenged on this, even though I was allowed to travel without buying a new ticket.

Looking at this page: https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/tick...tickets/advance-tickets-terms-and-conditions/ it says that,

8.4 If the train you purchased [an advance] ticket for is cancelled or is delayed and you still decide to travel, special arrangements will be made to accommodate you on another train (although a seat cannot be guaranteed).

It doesn't actually say what "special arrangements" these might be. Any advice on this situation?

4.3 Tickets may only be used on the services of the Train Company (or geographic route where applicable) shown next to ‘Route’ on the ticket.

Unless, as mentioned on this forum, ticket acceptance is agreed or the Staff call the control of the next available service and get an easement for you.

As an example today from the National Rail Website:

"Ticket restrictions have been relaxed in order for you to travel earlier or to postpone your plans, and travel on Saturday 10, Sunday 11 or Monday 12 January instead."

Not all operators had the same easement - as usual it was all a bit hit and miss. I sent a few people through on our 16:43 for the 17:00 Edinburgh to York, for Liverpool, as the Train Manager might use their discretion and let them on the 17:00 as our 17:21 to Kings Cross was late and they were going to miss their connection which would make life difficult for them. You don't always have time to phone for the easement.

I long for the day, during disruption, all restrictions are automatically void and I can start singing "Anything Goes".

 

[Sonic1234]

Anyone who says public transport is the less stressful way to travel should try legitimately being on the wrong train on an Advance (add in wrong operator for bonus points).

 

[Tester]

I long for the day, during disruption, all restrictions are automatically void and I can start singing "Anything Goes".

Which could be done at the stroke of a pen - it is in Germany.

I struggle to understand why it isn't - whilst it might give a little extra revenue, that must be massively offset by increased delay repay - not to mention reputational damage (ok I know they don't care about this one )

 

[Watershed]

Which could be done at the stroke of a pen - it is in Germany.

I struggle to understand why it isn't - whilst it might give a little extra revenue, that must be massively offset by increased delay repay - not to mention reputational damage (ok I know they don't care about this one )

I've heard this be raised in industry meetings about improving the passenger experience during disruption, but it's always the "intercity" TOCs that veto it on spurious grounds.

Evidently done by the kinds of people who have staff travel facilities themselves and therefore don't understand the problem. And who probably haven't travelled by train in countries like Germany where it's handled sensibly.

 

[Tester]

I've heard this be raised in industry meetings about improving the passenger experience during disruption, but it's always the "intercity" TOCs that veto it on spurious grounds.

Evidently done by the kinds of people who have staff travel facilities themselves and therefore don't understand the problem. And who probably haven't travelled by train in countries like Germany where it's handled sensibly.

Do you have any idea what the spurious grounds are?

Sunlight is the best disinfectant!

 

[Watershed]

Do you have any idea what the spurious grounds are?

Sunlight is the best disinfectant!

It's usually along the lines of "It would be unfair on people who've paid the 'full fare'"

Then when you point out that those people paid full fare to guarantee being able to take the "intercity" TOC/faster route and having a reserved seats, it shifts to "the train would get overcrowded".

Then when you point out that own-TOC cancellations and ticket acceptance for major disruption generally already results in overcrowding, it becomes "ah but then people will book the [cheaper TOC] tickets hoping there's disruption".

The fallacious arguments never cease. These sorts of people just don't understand that they are arguing in favour of a broken system that causes avoidable reputational and financial damage (additional Delay Repay liability) to the industry.

 

[Tester]

It's usually along the lines of "It would be unfair on people who've paid the 'full fare'"

Then when you point out that those people paid full fare to guarantee being able to take the "intercity" TOC/faster route and having a reserved seats, it shifts to "the train would get overcrowded".

Then when you point out that own-TOC cancellations and ticket acceptance for major disruption generally already results in overcrowding, it becomes "ah but then people will book the [cheaper TOC] tickets hoping there's disruption".

The fallacious arguments never cease. These sorts of people just don't understand that they are arguing in favour of a broken system that causes avoidable reputational and financial damage (additional Delay Repay liability) to the industry.

You couldn't make it up

 

[Harpo]

Going back to the OP’s original issue here, a query - How does a train manager taking duty on the day, get to be advised that their TOC is accepting the tickets of another?

 

[Watershed]

Going back to the OP’s original issue here, a query - How does a train manager taking duty on the day, get to be advised that their TOC is accepting the tickets of another?

It depends on the TOC but at ones I know of, they would be issued with a phone which has an app which they should check regularly as it tells them information about service disruption, Passenger Assist bookings etc.

They would also get sent emails from Control for things like ticket acceptance. If it's a standing arrangement it may be published on poster boards in the messroom.

 

[ChilliSauce]

It's usually along the lines of "It would be unfair on people who've paid the 'full fare'"

Then when you point out that those people paid full fare to guarantee being able to take the "intercity" TOC/faster route and having a reserved seats, it shifts to "the train would get overcrowded".

Then when you point out that own-TOC cancellations and ticket acceptance for major disruption generally already results in overcrowding, it becomes "ah but then people will book the [cheaper TOC] tickets hoping there's disruption".

The fallacious arguments never cease. These sorts of people just don't understand that they are arguing in favour of a broken system that causes avoidable reputational and financial damage (additional Delay Repay liability) to the industry.

Hopefully as these Train Operators all come under public ownership it will see the end of all this kind of nonsense. When the train is cancelled you can in fact just take the next available service .. The exception to this might end up being TfW or ScotRail unless they see the light of good sense and reason.

It may also remove or decrease the value of some Delay Repay Claims.

 

[Hadders]

Hopefully as these Train Operators all come under public ownership it will see the end of all this kind of nonsense. When the train is cancelled you can in fact just take the next available service .. The exception to this might end up being TfW or ScotRail unless they see the light of good sense and reason.

It may also remove or decrease the value of some Delay Repay Claims.

Much of the nonsense comes from operators already in public ownership.

 

[danchew]

I've signed up for TfW's automatic delay repay, and they want to refund me the full price of the ticket, even though I got on the next GWR train and got there on time (only a few minutes later due to the GWR being a faster train). Should I take the refund?

 

[Mcr Warrior]

I've signed up for TfW's automatic delay repay, and they want to refund me the full price of the ticket, even though I got on the next GWR train and got there on time (only a few minutes later due to the GWR being a faster train). Should I take the refund?

I'd say no. Essentially, you weren't delayed, other than by a few minutes. Others may advise differently.

 

[Haywain]

Should I take the refund?

I would also say no.

 

[blimmo]

I've signed up for TfW's automatic delay repay, and they want to refund me the full price of the ticket, even though I got on the next GWR train and got there on time (only a few minutes later due to the GWR being a faster train). Should I take the refund?

I believe that the system is saying "we think you might have been delayed: were you?" You shouldn't respond with yes if the truth is no.

 

[DelW]

I was told my ticket wasn't valid, but they let me off with a warning/advice.

So once again, the passenger is put "in the wrong" and made to feel guilty, when the failures are entirely by "the railway". There's no reason you could/should have been "let off" when you were doing nothing wrong.

First failure: to run the advertised train; excusable under the weather conditions
Second failure: to notify relevant staff of the ticket acceptance; inexcusable

This kind of half baked "is there / isn't there" ticket acceptance is highly stressful for many passengers on top of the stress of their journey being disrupted, and has no place or justification when all TOCs are operating as government contractors not independent businesses.

 

[danchew]

I would also say no.

I'd say no. Essentially, you weren't delayed, other than by a few minutes. Others may advise differently.

I didn't take the refund.

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So once again, the passenger is put "in the wrong" and made to feel guilty, when the failures are entirely by "the railway". There's no reason you could/should have been "let off" when you were doing nothing wrong.

First failure: to run the advertised train; excusable under the weather conditions
Second failure: to notify relevant staff of the ticket acceptance; inexcusable

This kind of half baked "is there / isn't there" ticket acceptance is highly stressful for many passengers on top of the stress of their journey being disrupted, and has no place or justification when all TOCs are operating as government contractors not independent businesses.

I did email them, not to be petty but because I agree that they shouldn't make something that's already moderately stressful (getting to the station on time then finding out that the original train had been cancelled) more stressful. They sent me a polite reply; perhaps it's just an automated message but hopefully it is a useful data point.