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£3 Bus fare cap extended to 2027

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I would like to see a move to regional or even a national daily cap myself. The problem with buses in most areas is they are run by different companies that don't accept each others tickets and many journeys at the shorter end often require 2 buses. For example, most areas of Harlow, Essex to its rail station require a change of bus (many routes only go to the town centre). A daily cap of £5 to £10 depending on the size of a region, town or city would be a good idea. About time, more places copied London or Manchester, were capping includes multiple modes of public transport. The £3 cap is good for being simple but should evolve into something even better, which along with route and service improvements, could be encouraging modal shift and use of ALL public transport in an area. I'd like to see a rail ticket cap too!
Good in principle but as always thise living near boundaries end up hainvg tp pay more (e.g. I can't use the South Yorkshire mult-modal Connect+ ticket as I'm 3 miles into Notts.

Also, when the frequencies are not ideal (every 2 hours at best) and there is a "linking" service for the missing hour, you have to pay twice.
 
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I don't have the statistics but we also have to consider all those with ENCTS bus passes which in some areas will be most of a bus passengers.
Speaking as a pensioner myself, I would quite happily pay say £1 per journey if it meant more funding available for improving services.
 

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A potential problem with fixed bands is that they take no account of actual geography. What if a popular town-to-town journey is 10.5 miles? Do people walk half a mile from the town centre in town A to get on at a stop so they can reach town B for £7? Or is the driver expected to check everyone at the last fare stage before reaching the terminus in town B?
And is it distance travelled (for which bus operators do have detailed records) or distance as the crow flies?
Simplicity is never as straightforward as it seems!
Indeed, there is no perfect solution but perhaps a zonal system would overcome some of these issues, eg a 10 mile zone measured from a town or city centre? How that would work in a large conurbation like West Yorkshire with lots of town centres could be confusing so maybe it would have to be an authority area based system in 'PTE' areas which is what some have now. TfL routes ignore boundaries by charging one fare even when they go outside Greater London and Bee network routes seem to do the same according to the website.
 

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Now that the fare cap is £3 until March 2027 there should be incentives to offer tap-on, tap-off fares for short journeys, timed transfers and single or multi-operator daily/weekly caps.
In urban areas (except where local authorities offer lower maximum fares) £3 could become the default cash flat fare.
In the Shire counties, £3 has already become the default cash fare - often for both Adults and Children.

Yes having three or four fare bands would be more sensible and lower cost, It would make more money available to improve services
That is just too complicated to administer and fairly re-imburse the bus operators.

Now that the fare cap is £3 until March 2027 there should be incentives to offer tap-on, tap-off fares for short journeys, timed transfers and single or multi-operator daily/weekly caps.
I don't think that you'll get any of that until Government (local or central) takes the risk on revenue (and service levels). Which may well come, of course, or it may be found to be too expensive......
 

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In the Shire counties, £3 has already become the default cash fare - often for both Adults and Children.
Not in Bucks. Carousel charge lower fares for local journeys, indeed the Chesham circular 78/79 has a flat fare of £1.50. Having said that they do push a flat £3 single through their app.
 

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A friend in Derby pays £2.10 on Arriva from the Outer Ring Road into the City Centre. Certainly less than I expected before 0930 (then he has ENCTS)... Maybe everyone expects the fare t be £3, and avoid short journeys. That said, have seen people get on, pay, where it would have been nearly as quick to walk.
 

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A friend in Derby pays £2.10 on Arriva from the Outer Ring Road into the City Centre. Certainly less than I expected before 0930 (then he has ENCTS)... Maybe everyone expects the fare t be £3, and avoid short journeys. That said, have seen people get on, pay, where it would have been nearly as quick to walk.
Just on the walking point, I do think public transport should cater for people who can't walk, even if they don't qualify for e.g. disability benefits or senior bus passes.

I currently have a longstanding Achilles tendonitis problem. It's getting better, but recovery is frustratingly slow. I'm not entitled to any benefits, nor do I need them; but sometimes I do just need to take the bus home instead of walking or cycling and yeah from the supermarket to my house might only be 6 stops, but a rucksack with 20Kg say of groceries on a 30 minute walk when you have Achilles tendonitis can be stressful. Thankfully Lothian Buses single fares are £2.20 so this is fine.
 

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I'm glad there is evidence that government is thinking about what to do next for rural services.
It is rural services that are in a death spiral where the service is poor so less people use it so it has to be cut back further etc.

Whereas I live in city with good public transport (Nottingham) so lots of people use it so good services can be maintained. Therefore within the city the cost cap now has little practical effect as most maybe all day tickets are less than £6. Most people who make 1 journey in a day will be making at least 1 other to go back home again.

Rural services are going to need a lot of help to reverse their downward trend and increase services so more people use them and somehow find a way to cover more of their costs.
 

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I'm glad there is evidence that government is thinking about what to do next for rural services.
It is rural services that are in a death spiral where the service is poor so less people use it so it has to be cut back further etc.

Whereas I live in city with good public transport (Nottingham) so lots of people use it so good services can be maintained. Therefore within the city the cost cap now has little practical effect as most maybe all day tickets are less than £6. Most people who make 1 journey in a day will be making at least 1 other to go back home again.

Rural services are going to need a lot of help to reverse their downward trend and increase services so more people use them and somehow find a way to cover more of their costs.
On the whole, demographic and lifestyle changes have done for patronage on rural services; a fare cap isn't going to reverse this. Even the pensioner market is disappearing, as supermarkets continue to depart town centres for other locations more difficult to serve by bus, while others switch to online shopping and have it delivered to their door.
 

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On the whole, demographic and lifestyle changes have done for patronage on rural services; a fare cap isn't going to reverse this. Even the pensioner market is disappearing, as supermarkets continue to depart town centres for other locations more difficult to serve by bus, while others switch to online shopping and have it delivered to their door.
Indeed, some do more local shopping.... Especially if they are just a short walk away. .Maybe the whole thing has seen the demise of many a City Centre.
 

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I wish the £3 fare cap could be made compulsory. There are several smaller operators in the south-east (and elsewhere) that have not adopted it, and their fares are extortionate in comparison.
 

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A friend in Derby pays £2.10 on Arriva from the Outer Ring Road into the City Centre. Certainly less than I expected before 0930 (then he has ENCTS)... Maybe everyone expects the fare t be £3, and avoid short journeys. That said, have seen people get on, pay, where it would have been nearly as quick to walk.
You do get one or two which do think it is a flat fare of £3 so when you say it's £2.60 for example they are a bit surprised.
 

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The best journey on the cap was Peterborough to Norwich and back for £4 on excel.
 

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The best journey on the cap was Peterborough to Norwich and back for £4 on excel.
Just checked the timetable. Over 3.5 hours for £2, an absolute bargain. In some homes it's possibly even cheaper than putting the heating on and charging a device :D (ok that may be exaggerating)
 

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The driver kindly let me off at Swaffham for a comfort break. Great service.
 

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Preston Bus will stop participating in the £3 fare cap in the new year


From 1st January 2026, Preston Bus will be updating its fares.

We know any fare increase is unwelcome. We have worked hard to avoid this, but these changes are needed to protect services and keep the network running reliably.

Why are fares changing?

There are three main reasons:

  1. Lower than anticipated reimbursement from the Department for Transport for the National Bus Fare Cap (NBFC).
The national funding available has not matched the real revenue impact of capped fares in Preston.

As a result, we are being forced to withdraw from the National Bus Fare Cap and implement revised fares from 2 January 2026. This is the only realistic route available to us to stabilise the business and protect services over the medium term.
The Adult single flat fare within Preston will be £3.50. The single fare for under 19’s will rise to £2.80.
 

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I'm not convinced the fare cap is of much benefit any more, unless you're making one single journey or doing a trip on something like the Yorkshire Coastliner, I've found if making more than one journey it's almost always cheaper to buy whatever day ticket is available.
 

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I wish the £3 fare cap could be made compulsory. There are several smaller operators in the south-east (and elsewhere) that have not adopted it, and their fares are extortionate in comparison.
How do you think that idea would go down the Bee Network grand plan of Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham, where the fare cap is only £2.00?
 

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Preston Bus will stop participating in the £3 fare cap in the new year
If they are charging a commercial fare of £3.50, and that is going to bring in more than a capped £3.00 fare, then the rebate they get must be incredibly meagre!
I'm not convinced the fare cap is of much benefit any more, unless you're making one single journey or doing a trip on something like the Yorkshire Coastliner, I've found if making more than one journey it's almost always cheaper to buy whatever day ticket is available.
If you are travelling within an urban area then it probably doesn't save much or anything. But in rural areas it is likely that it still saving you money, even if you aren't making a Coastliner length journey. My most common journey is about 15 miles, and the zonal ticket (which, pre-cap, was what you got when you asked for a return) is £7.60, so that's a saving of more than 20% for a simple return journey from one town to the next.
 

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I'm not convinced the fare cap is of much benefit any more, unless you're making one single journey or doing a trip on something like the Yorkshire Coastliner, I've found if making more than one journey it's almost always cheaper to buy whatever day ticket is available.
If you are travelling within an urban area then it probably doesn't save much or anything. But in rural areas it is likely that it still saving you money, even if you aren't making a Coastliner length journey. My most common journey is about 15 miles, and the zonal ticket (which, pre-cap, was what you got when you asked for a return) is £7.60, so that's a saving of more than 20% for a simple return journey from one town to the next.
The shadow fare for my 2-and-a-bit mile journey (single) is £4.50... I'm more than happy to keep the £3 single fare, thank you very much! If nothing else, it makes up for the highlighter blue bus company's often dismal service...
 

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The shadow fare for my 2-and-a-bit mile journey (single) is £4.50... I'm more than happy to keep the £3 single fare, thank you very much! If nothing else, it makes up for the highlighter blue bus company's often dismal service...

As I said, it's still worth it if you make one single journey.

Agreed about said company though, they are a disgrace.

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Is it not the case that the Central Government has poured vast sums of money into the coffers of Greater Manchester in an attempt to keep Andy Burnham in post as Greater Manchester Mayor and well away from a certain high political role in Westminster?

No idea but it sounds believable.

It'll run out at some point though.
 

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£3.50 flat single fare in Preston, is that a cap?
Surely there must be cheaper fares for those travelling a few stops!
It says flat fare, which implies only one fare available.
If they are charging a commercial fare of £3.50, and that is going to bring in more than a capped £3.00 fare, then the rebate they get must be incredibly meagre!

But if other operators are keeping the £3 fare cap, what's different about Preston? Unless they are simply the first to make an announcement.

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How long is £2 sustainable though?
But that is only a bus only ticket. Bus and tram tickets are expensive by international standards. The West Midlands has cheaper monthly bus only tickets and weekly tickets are the same at £20.
 
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I'm not convinced the fare cap is of much benefit any more, unless you're making one single journey or doing a trip on something like the Yorkshire Coastliner, I've found if making more than one journey it's almost always cheaper to buy whatever day ticket is available.
A day ticket may be cheaper to buy for a return trip within more urban ticket zones, but certainly not always if your journey is outside these zones into more rural areas. The only day ticket available on my local buses costs £10.50. Before the original £2 cap was introduced the single fare into town was £4 and the day ticket was cheaper at £7.90. Since the caps were introduced Stagecoach have increased the price of the day ticket by this large amount. Also in Nottinghamshire, as in many areas, there is no multi operator day ticket available if you travel outside the city area. Even with the £3 single fare, a return journey of only a few miles can soon cost at least £12.
 

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The £2 fare on the Bee Network is a flat fare rather than a cap (much as the flat fare on a TfL bus is £1.75). Both networks also allow multiple changes of bus within an hour.

Whatever you want to call it, unless we're actually serious about public transport and buses in particular, of which time and time again we've seen the UK is far from serious, I can't see it being viable long term.
 

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But if other operators are keeping the £3 fare cap, what's different about Preston? Unless they are simply the first to make an announcement.
Likely just the first, but Rotala's operation in Preston is hardly sustainable. There are very few routes where it isn't preferable to use another operator, and even then the 19, 23 and 35 all have overcrowding issues.
 
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