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£3 Bus fare cap extended to 2027

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Couldn't find an open thread on the bus fare cap, but feel free to move the post if needed.

Just heard it announced on the Marr programme on LBC radio that the £3 bus fare cap will be staying until March 2027 - apparently it will be officially confirmed tomorrow.

The Chancellor is expected to lay out plans to fund the scheme in full on all bus routes in England until March 2027.


Ministers had only committed to continue it until the end of the year, and Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander had been unable to confirm it would carry on in its current form.

Source: https://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/uk-politics/reeves-extend-bus-fare-cap/

Potentially good news for bus users? Does make you wonder whether the cap will just keep on being extended every few years though, and what will happen when it's finally ended.
 
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I would like to see a move to regional or even a national daily cap myself. The problem with buses in most areas is they are run by different companies that don't accept each others tickets and many journeys at the shorter end often require 2 buses. For example, most areas of Harlow, Essex to its rail station require a change of bus (many routes only go to the town centre). A daily cap of £5 to £10 depending on the size of a region, town or city would be a good idea. About time, more places copied London or Manchester, were capping includes multiple modes of public transport. The £3 cap is good for being simple but should evolve into something even better, which along with route and service improvements, could be encouraging modal shift and use of ALL public transport in an area. I'd like to see a rail ticket cap too!
 

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I would like to see a move to regional or even a national daily cap myself. The problem with buses in most areas is they are run by different companies that don't accept each others tickets and many journeys at the shorter end often require 2 buses. For example, most areas of Harlow, Essex to its rail station require a change of bus (many routes only go to the town centre). A daily cap of £5 to £10 depending on the size of a region, town or city would be a good idea. About time, more places copied London or Manchester, were capping includes multiple modes of public transport. The £3 cap is good for being simple but should evolve into something even better, which along with route and service improvements, could be encouraging modal shift and use of ALL public transport in an area. I'd like to see a rail ticket cap too!
Multi-modal but not, on the bus side, multi-operator (though the rail is slightly different, but then the structure is as well in terms of how fares work) since regardless of the contractor the Bee Network or TfL network are effectively a single operator on a single fare collection system.

Neither London or Manchester include non-franchised operators in their capping system, though places like Leicester & Oxford show there is no technological or ideological barrier to such being done and I do agree it is something that should be pursued more widely.

It isn't a simple system to set up, knowing how to do it doesn't make it any less complex, in places where there aren't any multi-operator fare structures in place already it will be even more complex to agree the multi-operator price points and there is a significant cost to the upgrades to ticket machines & extra equipment to make it work smoothly (you can do without the extra equipment, but that does risk slowing boarding/alighting as people need to access the ticket machine when they alight slowing the process) that does require investment funding from somewhere, but none of this is preventative and there are many places where much of this is in place, and it is only the procurement and set-up that is needed.

Multi-modal schemes would be more complicated as rail does have a tendency to demand a higher proportion of the income than usage would support (in part due to their average fare being higher) - we have one multi-modal ticket scheme where rail took a huge share of the income of what is largely a bus ticket, and we are only still in the scheme because demand has proved not really transferable (we did pull out for a period but saw no increase in sales of other tickets in compensation so it is just extra revenue for whatever we carry, but it is not proportionate to usage).

A national scheme would be much more difficult to agree, price points would be harder to line up and given how badly concessionary fares and fare cap funding is managed there is probably not a lot of trust that operators would be fairly funded, so negotiations at that level would be much more difficult. Not insurmountable but much more complex than locally focussed regional schemes where those relationships exist and trust has been established.
 

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The cap is fine but around here it has become a flat fare. £3 for a short trip of a couple of stops is a bit steep.
 

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The date of "at least March 2027" has just been confirmed in the Chancellor's speech.
 

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Now that the fare cap has been made permanent (and it will be permanent, no government will now have the courage to remove it) perhaps it’s time to force all remaining bus companies in England to accept the cap…
 

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Amazing.

Shame I live in Scotland and spend most of my time travelling around Scotland.

Those trips in the Lake District will remain affordable though, so I can spend more money on fancy cheese and chutney in Booths.
 

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Now that the fare cap has been made permanent (and it will be permanent, no government will now have the courage to remove it) perhaps it’s time to force all remaining bus companies in England to accept the cap…
Afare cap may be permanent - this one won’t be. Going to a daily one may well be the “way out” with the spread off tap-on tap-off anyway. Just needs some kind of regional oversight and coordination (with which I’ve sealed its fate!)
 

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Now that the fare cap has been made permanent (and it will be permanent, no government will now have the courage to remove it) perhaps it’s time to force all remaining bus companies in England to accept the cap…

Only if reimbursement keeps up with costs. Which currently it doesn’t.
 

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Amazing.

Shame I live in Scotland and spend most of my time travelling around Scotland.

Those trips in the Lake District will remain affordable though, so I can spend more money on fancy cheese and chutney in Booths.

This was on BBC Radio several times and days this week. Person commuting daily Kendal to Grasmere for work said the £3 cap made a huge difference and the buses were noticeably busier - many others also commuting from Kendal towards Grasmere.
 

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This was on BBC Radio several times and days this week. Person commuting daily Kendal to Grasmere for work said the £3 cap made a huge difference and the buses were noticeably busier - many others also commuting from Kendal towards Grasmere.
Yep, unless I know I need to get somewhere particularly awkward in the Lakes, it's train then local buses every time.

Helped by Club Avanti as well, as every 5th return journey is basically free and in Standard Premium or 1st Class no less.
 

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As good as it is, its a shame the fare cap is only for England & not for Wales or Scotland were single fares can be eyewatering.

That's down to devolution isn't it? The Chancellor or Westminster government doesn't have the power to cap bus fare in Scotland or Wales.
 

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It feels like it kicks the bigger question of what to do for and about rural buses is kicked further into the long grass.

The rise to £3 probably moved many urban buses out of the scheme for practical purposes (even if singles were still £3) returns, day tickets or season tickets probably took lots of people's journeys below £3 on average).
 

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Good stuff, my exploring of old railway lines & canals can continue when I require use of a bus to reach the starting point.

Better than paying £6odd for a 20 minute journey in Scotland a few months back
 

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As good as it is, its a shame the fare cap is only for England & not for Wales or Scotland were single fares can be eyewatering.
Scotland chose a different route several years ago when they decided that a significant proportion of the population could travel any distance by bus for free.
 

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I have mixed feelings. It is positive that it is keeping one off single bus rides affordable at a time where the cost of living is still way too high. However thinking more locally, there are daily, weekly and monthly passes that work out cheaper when more than one journey is being made in a day and this scheme is being subsidised at a time there is insufficient funding available to provide bus services evenings and Sundays in some locations, for example in the suburb of Sheffield I live there are no buses after 8pm Monday to Saturday and no buses after 6pm on Sundays.
 

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Now that the fare cap is £3 until March 2027 there should be incentives to offer tap-on, tap-off fares for short journeys, timed transfers and single or multi-operator daily/weekly caps.
In urban areas (except where local authorities offer lower maximum fares) £3 could become the default cash flat fare.
 

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Via a survey site I recently completed a survey commissioned by Systra on behalf of DfT about the £3 cap and the impact on my travel habits

As well as asking about my bus travel in the past few years, the survey tested my responses to various options for what happens after April 2027 including targeted caps for young people and/or rural and long distance journeys, and also universal caps at £3.50, £4, £4.50 and £5

Good to know they are at least thinking about what to do next some way ahead of the end of the current cap
 

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Via a survey site I recently completed a survey commissioned by Systra on behalf of DfT about the £3 cap and the impact on my travel habits

The survey tested my responses to various options for what happens after April 2027 including targeted caps for young people and/or rural and long distance journeys, and also universal caps at £3.50, £4, £4.50 and £5

Good to know they are at least thinking about what to do next some way ahead of the end of the current cap
I think the issue with a cap of £5 is some operators will slip back into their old ways of charging frankly ridiculous prices for short journeys.

I'm in Scotland where we don't have the fare cap, and Stagecoach charge £3.50 for a journey between the village where I was staying, and the next village which has the Co-op, post office, library, bakery, GP and pharmacy. So a journey quite a lot of people made. The travel time? 7 minutes. 50p per minute is an outrageous rate for a bus if you ask me.

So while it may appear to make sense to set a £5 cap to offset the increased cost associated with more rural or longer journeys, I think it could have the opposite effect of reducing bus usage again if people see short journeys as not being worth it.

At 50p a mile in that example, I got into my car almost every time. (I would've cycled but I've a tendon injury).
 

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Obviously the perspective is different according to where people live - inner city, outer suburbs, rural, small town etc but I wonder how much bus use is generated by a £3 cap given bus use continues to decline and services are continuing to get cut.

Personally id rather scrap the fare cap (possibly replaced with fair price regulation?) and the funding currently used to subsidise fares instead spent on providing better bus services such as evening and Sunday services, missing links, buses for unserved villages etc.

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Via a survey site I recently completed a survey commissioned by Systra on behalf of DfT about the £3 cap and the impact on my travel habits

As well as asking about my bus travel in the past few years, the survey tested my responses to various options for what happens after April 2027 including targeted caps for young people and/or rural and long distance journeys, and also universal caps at £3.50, £4, £4.50 and £5

Good to know they are at least thinking about what to do next some way ahead of the end of the current cap
Yes, certainly good to see it's being thought about, was there an ability to make additional comments or was it just one of those questionnaires that guide you towards the answers they want to hear?
 
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Obviously the perspective is different according to where people live - inner city, outer suburbs, rural, small town etc but I wonder how much bus use is generated by a £3 cap given bus use continues to decline and services are continuing to get cut.
Frustratingly, the £2 cap was introduced as the country was coming out of COVID, and so it's analytically difficult to get an accurate estimate of the journey pattern impact of the fare cap versus general journey pattern recovery from COVID.

That said, the DfT commissioned report on the first 10 months of the £2 bus fare cap suggests around 5% of additional journeys could be attributed to the fare cap.

That may sound small, but if those 5% of journeys would've otherwise been mainly car journeys, I think it shows some solid potential for modal shift.

If I had my way I'd lower the cap further or even abolish paid fares entirely, for local journeys.
 

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Frustratingly, the £2 cap was introduced as the country was coming out of COVID, and so it's analytically difficult to get an accurate estimate of the journey pattern impact of the fare cap versus general journey pattern recovery from COVID.

That said, the DfT commissioned report on the first 10 months of the £2 bus fare cap suggests around 5% of additional journeys could be attributed to the fare cap.

That may sound small, but if those 5% of journeys would've otherwise been mainly car journeys, I think it shows some solid potential for modal shift.

If I had my way I'd lower the cap further or even abolish paid fares entirely, for local journeys.
My thoughts are that fares should be subsidised, but on a graduated scale. Local journeys up to a specified distance maybe £2 and then increasing gradually. Frankly I think for example that £3 to travel from Leeds to Scarborough is ridiculous.
 

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Yes having three or four fare bands would be more sensible and lower cost, It would make more money available to improve services
 

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I think a day cap of £5 would be appropriate, especially for urban areas, the problem with a single fare cap is it disadvantages and discourages passengers from changing buses when they need to, eg to reach a hospital or workplace. How about £5 for the first 10 miles, that would cover most urban areas, increasing to £7 for 10 to 20 miles and £10 beyond that? Bus companies will know mileages for each route so it shouldn't be difficult to manage.
 

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Frustratingly, the £2 cap was introduced as the country was coming out of COVID, and so it's analytically difficult to get an accurate estimate of the journey pattern impact of the fare cap versus general journey pattern recovery from COVID.

That said, the DfT commissioned report on the first 10 months of the £2 bus fare cap suggests around 5% of additional journeys could be attributed to the fare cap.

That may sound small, but if those 5% of journeys would've otherwise been mainly car journeys, I think it shows some solid potential for modal shift.

If I had my way I'd lower the cap further or even abolish paid fares entirely, for local journeys.
The cap originally started for a combination of getting people out and about after covid (following messaging along the lines of do not use public transport or you may die) and addressing the cost of living crises, so fair play on the timing!

£2 for all but really short journeys is comically cheap and will have generated some leisure travel.

£3 is quite reasonable for most single rides but for a return trip in some cases works out the same as a day ticket.

I think as the cap has gone on for so long its just considered normal now, rather than a promotional sale and isn't massively advertised.

There is also the issue that in some cases the bus service isn't good enough to attract passengers regardless of the ticket price..
 

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I think a day cap of £5 would be appropriate, especially for urban areas, the problem with a single fare cap is it disadvantages and discourages passengers from changing buses when they need to, eg to reach a hospital or workplace. How about £5 for the first 10 miles, that would cover most urban areas, increasing to £7 for 10 to 20 miles and £10 beyond that? Bus companies will know mileages for each route so it shouldn't be difficult to manage.
A potential problem with fixed bands is that they take no account of actual geography. What if a popular town-to-town journey is 10.5 miles? Do people walk half a mile from the town centre in town A to get on at a stop so they can reach town B for £7? Or is the driver expected to check everyone at the last fare stage before reaching the terminus in town B?
And is it distance travelled (for which bus operators do have detailed records) or distance as the crow flies?
Simplicity is never as straightforward as it seems!
 

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I don't have the statistics but we also have to consider all those with ENCTS bus passes which in some areas will be most of a bus passengers.
 

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A potential problem with fixed bands is that they take no account of actual geography. What if a popular town-to-town journey is 10.5 miles? Do people walk half a mile from the town centre in town A to get on at a stop so they can reach town B for £7? Or is the driver expected to check everyone at the last fare stage before reaching the terminus in town B?
And is it distance travelled (for which bus operators do have detailed records) or distance as the crow flies?
Simplicity is never as straightforward as it seems!
For those that doubt this would be reality, just look at Vauxhall for example where significant volumes each day happily walk/cycle from to avoid paying much higher Zone 1 fares.

Within numerous towns in England people will walk/drive to the city zone fare boundary, rather than paying the higher country zone fare for season tickets.

On the Systra survey, I'd love to know their desired sample size and demographic breakdown.
 
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