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Closure of Bransty Tunnel (near Whitehaven) expected until further notice

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Something similar happened beside the M6 near Wigan. I believe that lots of coal was recovered and plenty of industrial archaeology was revealed as they went down the seams - but I didn't see any comment about what they discovered re the area of the surviving pillars!
You mean the one where the company extraxting the opencast site was supposed to deposit a levy or bond to enable restoration works to take place before any work commenced. Apparently that didnt happen. And the company went into administration.
 
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Thought this might be of interest.

This links to a map showing known mine shafts in the Whitehaven area. James pit and an unnamed one nearby would seem to be possible candidates for workings that might cause issues for the rail tunnel. Obviously others will have a lot more expertise on such matters.

Reports said some of these were unrecorded mine workings, which isn't especially unusual.

With them being unrecorded there is likely a big question mark over their construction and abandonment, with them being presumably flooded with mine water, mapping them would be a very difficult task.

I doubt there's a developed design for remediation at this stage, and when there is one, there's no guarantee it will work.
 

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I doubt there's a developed design for remediation at this stage, and when there is one, there's no guarantee it will work.

Presumably there will be a need to investigate and potentially design mitigating measures to ensure the tunnel is secure even in disused form, e.g. fill it in with concrete?
 
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Presumably there will be a need to investigate and potentially design mitigating measures to ensure the tunnel is secure even in disused form, e.g. fill it in with concrete?
Making it safe for the properties above is a much easier task than safe for the passage of trains.

You could fill with foamed concrete for a few 100k, you might even bypass liability for mines drainage that way.
 

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Making it safe for the properties above is a much easier task than safe for the passage of trains.

You could fill with foamed concrete for a few 100k, you might even bypass liability for mines drainage that way.

I've moved my reply to the speculative thread where it's probably more appropriate:

 

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Not to sure how bad it is but the line between Millom and Corkickle has been closed today due to a landslip and due to recent weather conditions in the area no replacement services are being operated with Northern issuing a Do Not Travel Notice until at least 10:00 tomorrow morning.
 

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AIUI there's a landslip between Drigg and Seascale affecting the railway line and further north (after where the line goes briefly inland), there are another couple of landslips at St Bees and in Fleswick Bay
 

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AIUI there's a landslip between Drigg and Seascale affecting the railway line and further north (after where the line goes briefly inland), there are another couple of landslips at St Bees and in Fleswick Bay

Reportedly reopened at 09.50 this morning. (On Network Rail Cleared Disruptions page.)
 
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Reportedly reopened at 09.50 this morning.

I did see that massive landslip on the news near St Bees and wonder if the railway might have fallen in the sea, but fortunately that bit was away from where the railway runs. But it is something that might happen at some point, same with any coastal railway...
 

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I did see that massive landslip on the news near St Bees and wonder if the railway might have fallen in the sea, but fortunately that bit was away from where the railway runs. But it is something that might happen at some point, same with any coastal railway...

I always thought that it is a pity that they didn’t keep the route through Egremont and Moor Row instead. I came across a rumour that it was due to BR’s practice of simply dividing up main and branch lines and treating them in isolation, rather than taking bits from both. It was also vaguely suggested that an old boy of St Bees school was able to put their oar in.
 

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Who was that, as a matter of interest?

It was very vague and no name was given. With the way things go, it was probably some obscure civil servant in the DoT. I doubt if it was Rowan Atkinson.

I can’t remember where I came across this, but I have a feeling that it was somewhere that seemed reasonably well-informed, but it is still an unconfirmed rumour. The practice of dealing with whole lines in one may have been a greater factor.

As far as the the closure mentioned in #276 is concerned, it was a very minor incident with no more than some loose debris. However, the track was flooded to above rail height due to an overwhelmed culvert and Network Rail decided to wait until daylight before inspecting the cutting sides for stability.
 

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I think that part of the problem with embankments has been the habit of trackwork gangs digging out old ballast and dumping it up the embankment without thought for the future. I’ve seen signs of this habit around the country which just stores up trouble for later. Perhaps it’s time for battering back to a safe angle when resources allow.
 

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I think that part of the problem with embankments has been the habit of trackwork gangs digging out old ballast and dumping it up the embankment without thought for the future. I’ve seen signs of this habit around the country which just stores up trouble for later. Perhaps it’s time for battering back to a safe angle when resources allow.

A very minor issue. The issue is water management and old infrastructure.
 

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Just seen this in the news today.

MPs demand train operator combats poor performance​


Cumbrian MPs have called on train operator Northern to address months of poor performance for passengers.

Northern’s latest data shows that in the past two months, 6.9% of trains between Barrow and Corkickle and 4.9% between Carlisle and Whitehaven were cancelled or part-cancelled. The national average for cancellations is 4.4%.

MPs Michelle Scrogham (Barrow and Furness), Josh MacAlister (Whitehaven & Workington), Julie Minns (Carlisle), and Markus Campbell-Savours (Penrith and Solway) met with bosses of the travel firm this week to discuss the poor performance on Cumbrian Coast Line.

The MPs said they were also pushing the rail industry into action after the Bransty Tunnel closure in Whitehaven last July continued to cause severe disruption.

Pressure from MPs has secured some improvements, including timetable changes, better replacement bus services, and additional support at affected stations.

However, performance levels remain unacceptably poor.

MPs expressed concern at the lack of urgency and have formally requested a recovery plan by the end of the month.


To be fair Northern are doing the best they can given the circumstances. The Cumbria Coast line is not a major route so it was always going to be a lower priority for Network Rail to get it repaired compared to other lines. Let's not forget the Settle and Carlisle line was shut for over a year in 2016/17 due to the landslip at Armathwaite.
 

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The Cumbria Coast line is not a major route so it was always going to be a lower priority for Network Rail to get it repaired compared to other lines. Let's not forget the Settle and Carlisle line was shut for over a year in 2016/17 due to the landslip at Armathwaite.

The primary complaint doesn't seem to be the tunnel repair but rather the failure to operate the temporary two-branch-lines service properly. Given that they got to redraw the timetable for the closure, you'd think they could have redrawn it to one they were actually able to operate properly. With the southern section being two-hourly at times, ensuring things run is very important due to the very long gap a cancellation leaves.
 

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The primary complaint doesn't seem to be the tunnel repair but rather the failure to operate the temporary two-branch-lines service properly. Given that they got to redraw the timetable for the closure, you'd think they could have redrawn it to one they were actually able to operate properly. With the southern section being two-hourly at times, ensuring things run is very important due to the very long gap a cancellation leaves.

Fair point, today's cancellations didn't help as from the looks of it only 5 of the 9 departures from Corkickle actually ran and the last train not cancelled was the 16:48 departure.

Just out of interest I know at Corkickle they have introduced a temporary buffer stop to stop trains from going into the tunnel. Is there a similar temporary buffer stop on Platform 2 at Whitehaven or are trains just using Platform 1?
 

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Fair point, today's cancellations didn't help as from the looks of it only 5 of the 9 departures from Corkickle actually ran and the last train not cancelled was the 16:48 departure.

Just out of interest I know at Corkickle they have introduced a temporary buffer stop to stop trains from going into the tunnel. Is there a similar temporary buffer stop on Platform 2 at Whitehaven or are trains just using Platform 1?
Yes, terminating in the bay - last time I was there, the drop down onto the lower level of the platform was causing some people much difficulty.
I went to the first door behind the cab ...
Is it too much to ask for some temporary provision of a "hump" ?
 

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Yes, terminating in the bay - last time I was there, the drop down onto the lower level of the platform was causing some people much difficulty.
I went to the first door behind the cab ...
Is it too much to ask for some temporary provision of a "hump" ?
There is a hump. You used it. It just fits one door on the train. Which might have been useful for the relatively rare services using platform 1 normally, but these days it's a pain in the proverbial.

If this is going to be a long-term situation, the hump needs to be extended to the rest of the length of the train (frankly, I don't think it's acceptable to expect even able-bodied users to jump over a foot from the train down to the platform) or, at the very least, the existing hump needs a damn good scrub. The amount of algae, moss and lichen colonising the existing hump is disgusting. And will be a H&S nightmare when it gets properly frosty.
 
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Fair point, today's cancellations didn't help as from the looks of it only 5 of the 9 departures from Corkickle actually ran and the last train not cancelled was the 16:48 departure.

Just out of interest I know at Corkickle they have introduced a temporary buffer stop to stop trains from going into the tunnel. Is there a similar temporary buffer stop on Platform 2 at Whitehaven or are trains just using Platform 1?
To be fair to them it does look like they managed to get the last train running from Barrow to Corkickle this evening. However it ran empty ECS back to Barrow and then continued as scheduled to Preston.
 

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There is a hump. You used it. It just fits one door on the train. Which might have been useful for the relatively rare services using platform 1 normally, but these days it's a pain in the proverbial.

If this is going to be a long-term situation, the hump needs to be extended to the rest of the length of the train (frankly, I don't think it's acceptable to expect even able-bodied users to jump over a foot from the train down to the platform) or, at the very least, the existing hump needs a damn good scrub. The amount of algae, moss and lichen colonising the existing hump is disgusting. And will be a H&S nightmare when it gets properly frosty.
Yes, terminating in the bay - last time I was there, the drop down onto the lower level of the platform was causing some people much difficulty.
I went to the first door behind the cab ...
Is it too much to ask for some temporary provision of a "hump" ?

Yes, back in the days of First North Western the number of trains running round the coast was at irregular intervals and several trains during the day ran Barrow to Millom or Whitehaven to Carlisle. There was also an Arriva Trains Northern service from Hartlepool to Whitehaven which used Plaform 1 at Whitehaven.

As you say Platform 1 at Whitehaven is rarely used nowadays (except when the tunnel is closed) meaning that there was little incentive to upgrade it.
 

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Yes, back in the days of First North Western the number of trains running round the coast was at irregular intervals and several trains during the day ran Barrow to Millom or Whitehaven to Carlisle. There was also an Arriva Trains Northern service from Hartlepool to Whitehaven which used Plaform 1 at Whitehaven.

As you say Platform 1 at Whitehaven is rarely used nowadays (except when the tunnel is closed) meaning that there was little incentive to upgrade it.
Is it that the previous types of trains had the floor at a different height or has the track level changed but the platform surface has not?
 

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Is it that the previous types of trains had the floor at a different height or has the track level changed but the platform surface has not?

195s have a higher step than 15x (it's noticeable how much more people struggle with them) but they don't work the northern part of the line as they don't fit. Pacers had a lower step I think?
 

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Is it that the previous types of trains had the floor at a different height or has the track level changed but the platform surface has not?
195s have a higher step than 15x (it's noticeable how much more people struggle with them) but they don't work the northern part of the line as they don't fit. Pacers had a lower step I think?

No rather back in the early 2000s Platform height and accssability was not seen as a major issue like they (rightfully) are now.

Platform 1 at Whitehaven is rather shabby compared to Platform 2. I think it's slightly lower and lacks the tactile paving which is common at almost all stations nowadays.
 
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195s have a higher step than 15x (it's noticeable how much more people struggle with them) but they don't work the northern part of the line as they don't fit. Pacers had a lower step I think?
The Pacers were easier to get a bike on certainly. And he platform height at some stations I've noticed on disembarking is a struggle.

I remember they used to run a Pacer with a 153 some of the day. So you could choose which to get on. Probably to do with capacity issues at Sellafield.
 

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The primary complaint doesn't seem to be the tunnel repair but rather the failure to operate the temporary two-branch-lines
To be fair Northern are doing the best they can given the circumstances. The Cumbria Coast line is not a major route so it was always going to be a lower priority for Network Rail to get it repaired compared to other lines. Let's not forget the Settle and Carlisle line was shut for over a year in 2016/17 due to the landslip at Armathwaite.
I am an occasional user of the Whitehaven-Carlisle route and in my opinion there seems to be a high number of train cancellations due to train crew shortages. Today has been a particularly bad day with several cancellation. It is even more galling when a service train is cancelled, only for it to run ecs to its destination. Northern need to up their game on this route.
 

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The through platform at Whitehaven has been out of use for passenger services.
 

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is even more galling when a service train is cancelled, only for it to run ecs to its destination. Northern need to up their game on this route.
When this happens it means that there is no conductor to work the train and the driver has to take it empty to its destination to position it for its next working....and avoid further cancellations.
 

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Platform one at Whitehaven has always needed steps for less able bodied passengers. Now that the tracks don’t continue across the road to the harbour, the whole area could be lowered to avoid the need for steps/Harrington Humps but that’s cost money so marras* have to make do!
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