SWR 455 twilight diagrams/workings

ccityplanner12 · 5 Dec 2025

bb21 said:
I've just had a look and can confirm there was no 455 step-ups on other diagrams on Sunday, so I think it is pretty much the official first day in normal operation since their introduction no 455 ran in passenger service.

I'm not quite sure what you are doing. Are you trying to reproduce a timetable of the twilight weeks or the LTP?

I should've specified a timetable of all services, filtered to only those which routinely produce 455s.

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Big Jumby 74 · 5 Dec 2025

ccityplanner12 said:
I should've specified a timetable of all services, filtered to only those which routinely produce 455s

If I am reading this correctly, I think your best bet is to down load the timetables of the suburban routes from the SWR web site (assuming they are still listed there on?), then highlight those services that bb21 has listed above as 455 diagrammed, but this list will of course be changing each week as units are taken out of service and services go over to 701., so you may need to do this on a (dated) week by week basis?

Once done, you could arrange it in a format that suits you. Just a thought?

An after thought from an old diagrammer: as things stand currently, the 455 removal period, there will likely be some diagrams that change stock type, week by week, on a planned (STP) basis, ie : 455 one week, 701 the next, 455 the next than back to 701 permanently. This sort of diagramming is a necessary must in these times, in order that both types concerned 'balance' (in number) at each location each night, and all also visit Wimbledon depot at appropriate intervals for maintenance. The published timetable does not allow for these two specifics to take place 'naturally' in all cases whilst the changeover is in progress.

bb21 · 5 Dec 2025

nanstallon said:
Will the farewell specials actually be the last runs?

I think we can safely say the answer is "no".

Connor450 · 6 Dec 2025

Big Jumby 74 said:
In the past the normal routine, depending on the exact nature of the engineering work, would be for these to run over the Down HC line in the Up direction and use p4 at Surbiton, and these days (IIRC) that line is effectively bi-directional between Thames Ditton and Surbiton for that purpose.
There have been occasions when Up shuttles would run to p1 at Surbiton, as per normal service, then shunt across to p4 before departure, but this was always time consuming and had to fit in with through services, so was a far less used method.

Still very much possible but as you said a very time consuming method, ideally no train should terminate to return on the down from platform 1/2 at Surbiton as waiting for a route across the up fast (if terminating on platform 1), to the down fast and down slow is likely to cause delays for all other trains passing through. As someone who works at Surbiton, especially with the leaf clearing trains being more abundant during the autumn season (which would stop on the up slow/fast to change ends and go onto the down), it can be an annoyance to passengers waiting for London bound services as there's been multiple times over the last few weeks where those trains have caused delays to passenger services into as well as out of London. This Saturday will be interesting with the Guildford via Cobham trains terminating on P1 at Surbiton before crossing over to the down slow (good luck to us trying to stop any last minute runners boarding what they think is a London bound train). Also you do recall correctly, the down line between HMC and Surbiton is bi-directional between HMC and SUR, in the event of engineering works requiring a shuttle, or also if the up line from HMC is blocked for any reason, it allows up trains to wait on the down Hampton Court line before crossing over onto platform 1.

Big Jumby 74 · 6 Dec 2025

Connor450 said:
good luck to us trying to stop any last minute runners boarding what they think is a London bound train

Veering slightly OT for a minute, but yes, absolutely. Back in slam door days, giving the tip and (crucially) observing a departing train, was top priority, and although these days things have changed greatly, I have seen (too many times to my mind) occasions when certain staff are distracted by people at the barrier, whilst at the same time other passengers have run up to a train in the process of being dispatched, and been jabbing the door buttons for all their worth, when (to my mind) someone should be shouting for them to stand back, for their own good. Think events on the Mersey metro not so long ago! This is not at Surbiton btw, but not so very far away.

DM352 · 6 Dec 2025

Thanks again for posting the Saturday Hampton Court run. On the 19:54 right now from Surbiton for my likely final ride. It has made my day after a long flight. They are single tracking it so no shunting needed

Connor450 · 7 Dec 2025

Big Jumby 74 said:
Veering slightly OT for a minute, but yes, absolutely. Back in slam door days, giving the tip and (crucially) observing a departing train, was top priority, and although these days things have changed greatly, I have seen (too many times to my mind) occasions when certain staff are distracted by people at the barrier, whilst at the same time other passengers have run up to a train in the process of being dispatched, and been jabbing the door buttons for all their worth, when (to my mind) someone should be shouting for them to stand back, for their own good. Think events on the Mersey metro not so long ago! This is not at Surbiton btw, but not so very far away.

A shame that you have witnessed that recently, the rule book for my TOC and I imagine every other TOC says we should be as attentive to any hazards during the entire dispatch process as much as we are for the signal, including as you mentioned people entering the dispatch corridor trying to press the door buttons when the doors have already locked, and we should firmly shout for them to stand away even if we are not involved in the dispatch process. Anyone who isn't doing that clearly isn't doing their job correctly!

ccityplanner12 · 7 Dec 2025

Here is my timetable. Now do I have any volunteers to proofread it?

sad1e · 7 Dec 2025

ccityplanner12 said:
Here is my timetable. Now do I have any volunteers to proofread it?

Having a look over it now and I'll update if I spot anything wrong , But for your final version please upload it as a PDF and not a docx as docx's aren't the most convenient to open on mobile.

Ian Hardy · 7 Dec 2025

ccityplanner12 said:
Here is my timetable. Now do I have any volunteers to proofread it?

Your station name	Correct name
Windsor Riverside	Windsor & Eton Riverside
Wyrardisbury	Wraysbury
Ashford-in-Spelthorne	Ashford (Surrey)
Queenstown Road	Queenstown Road Battersea
Guildford General	Guildford
Guildford London Road	London Road (Guildford)

Also times shown as 24:xx should be 00:xx

ccityplanner12 · 8 Dec 2025

Ian Hardy said:
Your station name Correct name
Windsor Riverside Windsor & Eton Riverside
Wyrardisbury Wraysbury
Ashford-in-Spelthorne Ashford (Surrey)
Queenstown Road Queenstown Road Battersea
Guildford General Guildford
Guildford London Road London Road (Guildford)

Also times shown as 24:xx should be 00:xx

Wyrardisbury and Ashford-in-Spelthorne are an in-joke I have with a friend who lives in the Staines area. It's not like this is meant to be an official railway publication or anything!

bb21 · 10 Dec 2025

Confirmed diagrams this weekend

SO 13/12/25 (5 sets)

WM601/602	5H05	05:27	Clapham Yard Sdg	London Waterloo	05:47
	2H05	06:12	London Waterloo	Shepperton	07:04
	2H14	07:11	Shepperton	London Waterloo	08:04
	2H13	08:12	London Waterloo	Shepperton	09:04
	2H22	09:11	Shepperton	London Waterloo	10:04
	2H21	10:12	London Waterloo	Shepperton	11:04
	2H30	11:11	Shepperton	London Waterloo	12:04
	2H29	12:12	London Waterloo	Shepperton	13:04
	2H38	13:11	Shepperton	London Waterloo	14:04
	2H37	14:12	London Waterloo	Shepperton	15:04
	2H46	15:11	Shepperton	London Waterloo	16:04
	2H45	16:12	London Waterloo	Shepperton	17:04
	2H54	17:11	Shepperton	London Waterloo	18:04
	2M53	18:17	London Waterloo	Chessington Sth	18:51
	2M60	19:04	Chessington Sth	London Waterloo	19:40
	2F59	19:50	London Waterloo	Woking	20:38
	2F68	21:03	Woking	London Waterloo	21:52
	2G69	22:03	London Waterloo	Guildford	23:09
	2G80	23:34	Guildford	London Waterloo	00:38

WM603/604	2F06	05:14	Guildford	London Waterloo	06:22
	2J07	06:36	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	07:13
	2J14	07:24	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	08:01
	1D13	08:24	London Waterloo	Dorking	09:16
	1D22	09:30	Dorking	London Waterloo	10:25
	2J23	10:36	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	11:12
	2J30	11:24	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	12:01
	1D29	12:24	London Waterloo	Dorking	13:16
	1D38	13:30	Dorking	London Waterloo	14:25
	2J39	14:36	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	15:12
	2J46	15:24	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	16:01
	1D45	16:24	London Waterloo	Dorking	17:16
	1D54	17:30	Dorking	London Waterloo	18:25
	2J55	18:36	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	19:12
	2J62	19:24	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	20:01
	1D61	20:24	London Waterloo	Dorking	21:15
	1D70	21:30	Dorking	London Waterloo	22:25
	2J71	22:36	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	23:12
	2J78	23:24	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	00:01
	1D81	00:25	London Waterloo	Dorking	01:17
	5Y71	01:25	Dorking	Wimbledon Park D	02:00

WM605/606	5D16	07:28	Guildford Down S	Guildford	07:30
	2D16	07:42	Guildford	London Waterloo	08:55
	2J17	09:06	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	09:44
	2J24	09:54	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	10:31
	2D23	10:54	London Waterloo	Guildford	12:05
	2D36	12:42	Guildford	London Waterloo	13:55
	2J37	14:06	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	14:42
	2J44	14:54	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	15:31
	2D43	15:54	London Waterloo	Guildford	17:05
	2D56	17:42	Guildford	London Waterloo	18:55
	2J57	19:06	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	19:42
	2J64	19:54	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	20:31
	2D63	20:54	London Waterloo	Guildford	22:05
	2G76	22:34	Guildford	London Waterloo	23:37
	2G77	00:03	London Waterloo	Guildford	01:05
	5G77	01:14	Guildford	Guildford UCS	01:25

WM607/608	5J07	05:23	Wimbledon Park D	Hampton Court	05:46
	2J08	05:54	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	06:31
	2D07	06:54	London Waterloo	Guildford	08:09
	2D20	08:42	Guildford	London Waterloo	09:55
	2J21	10:06	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	10:42
	2J28	10:54	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	11:31
	2D27	11:54	London Waterloo	Guildford	13:05
	2D40	13:42	Guildford	London Waterloo	14:55
	2J41	15:06	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	15:42
	2J48	15:54	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	16:31
	2D47	16:54	London Waterloo	Guildford	18:05
	2D60	18:42	Guildford	London Waterloo	19:55
	2G61	20:03	London Waterloo	Guildford	21:09
	2G72	21:34	Guildford	London Waterloo	22:37
	2D71	22:54	London Waterloo	Guildford	00:05
	5D71	00:12	Guildford	Guildford UCS	00:23

WM609/610	5M07	06:03	Wimbledon Park D	London Waterloo	06:37
	2M07	06:47	London Waterloo	Chessington Sth	07:21
	2M14	07:34	Chessington Sth	London Waterloo	08:11
	2F13	08:20	London Waterloo	Woking	09:08
	2F22	09:33	Woking	London Waterloo	10:22
	2G23	10:33	London Waterloo	Guildford	11:37
	2G34	12:04	Guildford	London Waterloo	13:07
	2M33	13:17	London Waterloo	Chessington Sth	13:51
	2M40	14:04	Chessington Sth	London Waterloo	14:40
	2F39	14:50	London Waterloo	Woking	15:38
	2F48	16:03	Woking	London Waterloo	16:53
	2G49	17:03	London Waterloo	Guildford	18:09
	2G60	18:34	Guildford	London Waterloo	19:37
	2M59	19:47	London Waterloo	Chessington Sth	20:21
	2M66	20:34	Chessington Sth	London Waterloo	21:10
	2F65	21:20	London Waterloo	Woking	22:08
	2F80	23:04	Woking	London Waterloo	23:52
	5F80	00:01	London Waterloo	Waterloo C.H.S.	00:03

Sunday to follow

Nimbus020 · 10 Dec 2025

bb21 said:
Confirmed diagrams this weekend

SO 13/12/25 (5 sets)

WM601/602
5H05
05:27
Clapham Yard Sdg
London Waterloo
05:47
2H05
06:12
London Waterloo
Shepperton
07:04
2H14
07:11
Shepperton
London Waterloo
08:04
2H13
08:12
London Waterloo
Shepperton
09:04
2H22
09:11
Shepperton
London Waterloo
10:04
2H21
10:12
London Waterloo
Shepperton
11:04
2H30
11:11
Shepperton
London Waterloo
12:04
2H29
12:12
London Waterloo
Shepperton
13:04
2H38
13:11
Shepperton
London Waterloo
14:04
2H37
14:12
London Waterloo
Shepperton
15:04
2H46
15:11
Shepperton
London Waterloo
16:04
2H45
16:12
London Waterloo
Shepperton
17:04
2H54
17:11
Shepperton
London Waterloo
18:04
2M53
18:17
London Waterloo
Chessington Sth
18:51
2M60
19:04
Chessington Sth
London Waterloo
19:40
2F59
19:50
London Waterloo
Woking
20:38
2F68
21:03
Woking
London Waterloo
21:52
2G69
22:03
London Waterloo
Guildford
23:09
2G80
23:34
Guildford
London Waterloo
00:38
WM603/604
2F06
05:14
Guildford
London Waterloo
06:22
2J07
06:36
London Waterloo
Hampton Court
07:13
2J14
07:24
Hampton Court
London Waterloo
08:01
1D13
08:24
London Waterloo
Dorking
09:16
1D22
09:30
Dorking
London Waterloo
10:25
2J23
10:36
London Waterloo
Hampton Court
11:12
2J30
11:24
Hampton Court
London Waterloo
12:01
1D29
12:24
London Waterloo
Dorking
13:16
1D38
13:30
Dorking
London Waterloo
14:25
2J39
14:36
London Waterloo
Hampton Court
15:12
2J46
15:24
Hampton Court
London Waterloo
16:01
1D45
16:24
London Waterloo
Dorking
17:16
1D54
17:30
Dorking
London Waterloo
18:25
2J55
18:36
London Waterloo
Hampton Court
19:12
2J62
19:24
Hampton Court
London Waterloo
20:01
1D61
20:24
London Waterloo
Dorking
21:15
1D70
21:30
Dorking
London Waterloo
22:25
2J71
22:36
London Waterloo
Hampton Court
23:12
2J78
23:24
Hampton Court
London Waterloo
00:01
1D81
00:25
London Waterloo
Dorking
01:17
5Y71
01:25
Dorking
Wimbledon Park D
02:00
WM605/606
5D16
07:28
Guildford Down S
Guildford
07:30
2D16
07:42
Guildford
London Waterloo
08:55
2J17
09:06
London Waterloo
Hampton Court
09:44
2J24
09:54
Hampton Court
London Waterloo
10:31
2D23
10:54
London Waterloo
Guildford
12:05
2D36
12:42
Guildford
London Waterloo
13:55
2J37
14:06
London Waterloo
Hampton Court
14:42
2J44
14:54
Hampton Court
London Waterloo
15:31
2D43
15:54
London Waterloo
Guildford
17:05
2D56
17:42
Guildford
London Waterloo
18:55
2J57
19:06
London Waterloo
Hampton Court
19:42
2J64
19:54
Hampton Court
London Waterloo
20:31
2D63
20:54
London Waterloo
Guildford
22:05
2G76
22:34
Guildford
London Waterloo
23:37
2G77
00:03
London Waterloo
Guildford
01:05
5G77
01:14
Guildford
Guildford UCS
01:25
WM607/608
5J07
05:23
Wimbledon Park D
Hampton Court
05:46
2J08
05:54
Hampton Court
London Waterloo
06:31
2D07
06:54
London Waterloo
Guildford
08:09
2D20
08:42
Guildford
London Waterloo
09:55
2J21
10:06
London Waterloo
Hampton Court
10:42
2J28
10:54
Hampton Court
London Waterloo
11:31
2D27
11:54
London Waterloo
Guildford
13:05
2D40
13:42
Guildford
London Waterloo
14:55
2J41
15:06
London Waterloo
Hampton Court
15:42
2J48
15:54
Hampton Court
London Waterloo
16:31
2D47
16:54
London Waterloo
Guildford
18:05
2D60
18:42
Guildford
London Waterloo
19:55
2G61
20:03
London Waterloo
Guildford
21:09
2G72
21:34
Guildford
London Waterloo
22:37
2D71
22:54
London Waterloo
Guildford
00:05
5D71
00:12
Guildford
Guildford UCS
00:23
WM609/610
5M07
06:03
Wimbledon Park D
London Waterloo
06:37
2M07
06:47
London Waterloo
Chessington Sth
07:21
2M14
07:34
Chessington Sth
London Waterloo
08:11
2F13
08:20
London Waterloo
Woking
09:08
2F22
09:33
Woking
London Waterloo
10:22
2G23
10:33
London Waterloo
Guildford
11:37
2G34
12:04
Guildford
London Waterloo
13:07
2M33
13:17
London Waterloo
Chessington Sth
13:51
2M40
14:04
Chessington Sth
London Waterloo
14:40
2F39
14:50
London Waterloo
Woking
15:38
2F48
16:03
Woking
London Waterloo
16:53
2G49
17:03
London Waterloo
Guildford
18:09
2G60
18:34
Guildford
London Waterloo
19:37
2M59
19:47
London Waterloo
Chessington Sth
20:21
2M66
20:34
Chessington Sth
London Waterloo
21:10
2F65
21:20
London Waterloo
Woking
22:08
2F80
23:04
Woking
London Waterloo
23:52
5F80
00:01
London Waterloo
Waterloo C.H.S.
00:03

Sunday to follow

Many thanks for this - do you know the diagrams from next Monday? - apologies if this was already given above

Big Jumby 74 · 10 Dec 2025

Nimbus020 said:
Many thanks for this - do you know the diagrams from next Monday?

I have no idea of bb21's sources, but from an ex planning angle, the STP stock alterations may not necessarily be issued by planning until Wednesday or Thursday of the previous week. May sound close to the wire, but that's how it was in my days, and suspect not so different now, given all this (455 rundown etc) is on top of the usual weeknight engineering work etc! :smile:

Siemens Staines · 10 Dec 2025

Does anyone know what was on 5B39 to Bournemouth TMD today? It has not run with a 5Xxx headcode, so I don't think it was a 458/4 and I am guessing that it was a 455, or possibly 458533. Maybe something else like a 444/450 although the Desiros tend to go to Northam A couple of hours later there was also a 5Q47 from Wimbledon Park to Bournemouth TMD. Thank you.

Realtime Trains | 5B39 0915 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D | 10/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 5B39 0915 departure from Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D on 10/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Realtime Trains | 5Q47 1138 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D | 10/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 5Q47 1138 departure from Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D on 10/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

bb21 · 10 Dec 2025

Big Jumby 74 said:
I have no idea of bb21's sources, but from an ex planning angle, the STP stock alterations may not necessarily be issued by planning until Wednesday or Thursday of the previous week. May sound close to the wire, but that's how it was in my days, and suspect not so different now, given all this (455 rundown etc) is on top of the usual weeknight engineering work etc!

Correct. I can only really confirm 72 hours in advance usually. The STPs are loaded in 96 hours in advance iirc and feed through downstream systems within those next 24 hours.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: 10 Dec 2025 ==

Nimbus020 said:
Many thanks for this - do you know the diagrams from next Monday? - apologies if this was already given above

Usually on Fridays so I normally get them out on Saturdays when I can.

bluesky · 11 Dec 2025

bb21 said:
Correct. I can only really confirm 72 hours in advance usually. The STPs are loaded in 96 hours in advance iirc and feed through downstream systems within those next 24 hours.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: 10 Dec 2025 ==

Usually on Fridays so I normally get them out on Saturdays when I can.

Thank you for these, very useful information .
It looks like 455s will just about make it to 2026...

Goldfish62 · 11 Dec 2025

bluesky said:
Thank you for these, very useful information .
It looks like 455s will just about make it to 2026...

Over on the Class 455 and 458/5 withdrawals thread it's stated that the last official day will be 23rd Dec and that they'll all be finally gone by 31st Dec because that's when the lease expires.

bb21 · 11 Dec 2025

SU 14/12/25 (4 sets)

WM601/602	5D16	07:38	Guildford UCS	Epsom	08:23
	2D16	08:24	Epsom	London Waterloo	09:01
	2M17	09:21	London Waterloo	Chessington Sth	09:55
	2M24	10:09	Chessington Sth	London Waterloo	10:46
	1D25	11:02	London Waterloo	Dorking	11:54
	1D32	12:07	Dorking	London Waterloo	13:01
	2M33	13:21	London Waterloo	Chessington Sth	13:55
	2M40	14:09	Chessington Sth	London Waterloo	14:45
	1D41	15:01	London Waterloo	Dorking	15:52
	1D48	16:07	Dorking	London Waterloo	17:01
	2M49	17:21	London Waterloo	Chessington Sth	17:55
	2M56	18:09	Chessington Sth	London Waterloo	18:45
	1D57	19:02	London Waterloo	Dorking	19:52
	1D64	20:07	Dorking	London Waterloo	21:01
	2M65	21:21	London Waterloo	Chessington Sth	21:55
	2M72	22:09	Chessington Sth	London Waterloo	22:45
	2D73	23:02	London Waterloo	Epsom	23:36
	5Y62	23:44	Epsom	Wimbledon Park D	00:08

WM603/604	2D07	06:33	London Waterloo	Epsom	07:07
	2D12	07:23	Epsom	London Waterloo	08:01
	2M13	08:21	London Waterloo	Chessington Sth	08:55
	2M20	09:09	Chessington Sth	London Waterloo	09:45
	1D21	10:02	London Waterloo	Dorking	10:54
	1D28	11:07	Dorking	London Waterloo	12:01
	2M29	12:21	London Waterloo	Chessington Sth	12:56
	2M36	13:09	Chessington Sth	London Waterloo	13:45
	1D37	14:01	London Waterloo	Dorking	14:52
	1D44	15:07	Dorking	London Waterloo	16:01
	2M45	16:21	London Waterloo	Chessington Sth	16:55
	2M52	17:09	Chessington Sth	London Waterloo	17:45
	1D53	18:01	London Waterloo	Dorking	18:52
	1D60	19:07	Dorking	London Waterloo	20:01
	2M61	20:21	London Waterloo	Chessington Sth	20:55
	2M68	21:09	Chessington Sth	London Waterloo	21:45
	1D69	22:02	London Waterloo	Dorking	22:52
	1D76	23:07	Dorking	London Waterloo	00:01
	5D76	00:10	London Waterloo	Waterloo C.H.S.	00:12

WM605/606	5J09	07:12	Waterloo C.H.S.	London Waterloo	07:14
	2J09	07:27	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	08:04
	2J18	08:35	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	09:11
	2J17	09:27	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	10:04
	2J26	10:35	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	11:14
	2J25	11:27	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	12:04
	2J34	12:35	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	13:14
	2J33	13:27	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	14:04
	2J42	14:35	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	15:12
	2J41	15:27	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	16:04
	2J50	16:35	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	17:13
	2J49	17:27	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	18:04
	2J58	18:35	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	19:12
	2J57	19:27	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	20:04
	2J66	20:35	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	21:12
	2J63	21:27	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	22:04
	2J72	22:35	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	23:15
	2J71	23:27	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	00:04
	2J78	00:11	Hampton Court	Wimbledon	00:31
	5Y72	00:35	Wimbledon	Wimbledon Park D	00:49

WM607/608	5M11	07:54	Wimbledon Park D	Wimbledon	08:06
	2M11	08:08	Wimbledon	Chessington Sth	08:26
	2M18	08:39	Chessington Sth	London Waterloo	09:15
	2D19	09:32	London Waterloo	Guildford	10:42
	2D30	11:20	Guildford	London Waterloo	12:31
	2M31	12:51	London Waterloo	Chessington Sth	13:25
	2M38	13:39	Chessington Sth	London Waterloo	14:15
	2D39	14:32	London Waterloo	Guildford	15:42
	2D50	16:20	Guildford	London Waterloo	17:31
	2M51	17:51	London Waterloo	Chessington Sth	18:25
	2M58	18:39	Chessington Sth	London Waterloo	19:15
	2D59	19:32	London Waterloo	Guildford	20:42
	2D70	21:20	Guildford	London Waterloo	22:31
	2M71	22:51	London Waterloo	Chessington Sth	23:25
	2M78	23:40	Chessington Sth	Wimbledon	23:59
	5Y63	00:03	Wimbledon	Wimbledon Park D	00:20

Big Jumby 74 · 11 Dec 2025

bluesky said:
It looks like 455s will just about make it to 2026...

That was what I was thinking originally, as the last Diagrammed day is the 23rd December, and I had assumed that a handful would still be around to be used ad hoc by Control going in to January if needed. But reading the other related thread (455/458 withdrawals?), there is some suggestion that all 455's are off lease by 31st December - this aspect I have no info about, so will not comment, but suffice to say a point (in time) has to come when a line is drawn under this whole matter, where upon those driving the overall plan forward can say, "that's it, the 455s have gone, now everyone can focus completely on getting the remaining 701's in to traffic" (etc).

Sometimes that is what is needed, a kick up the whatsit to focus people's minds, and remove any other distractions - in this case trying to keep a handful of 455s going! Makes sense to me to be rid of 455's by Christmas, rather than let them drag on.

Peter Sarf · 11 Dec 2025

Big Jumby 74 said:
That was what I was thinking originally, as the last Diagrammed day is the 23rd December, and I had assumed that a handful would still be around to be used ad hoc by Control going in to January if needed. But reading the other related thread (455/458 withdrawals?), there is some suggestion that all 455's are off lease by 31st December - this aspect I have no info about, so will not comment, but suffice to say a point (in time) has to come when a line is drawn under this whole matter, where upon those driving the overall plan forward can say, "that's it, the 455s have gone, now everyone can focus completely on getting the remaining 701's in to traffic" (etc).

Sometimes that is what is needed, a kick up the whatsit to focus people's minds, and remove any other distractions - in this case trying to keep a handful of 455s going! Makes sense to me to be rid of 455's by Christmas, rather than let them drag on.

I agree. The tipping point must have been reached. The 701s are settled in (not really expecting any surprises). Got to let go and focus on the large number of 701s that are not yet in use.

Andy1673 · 12 Dec 2025

Likely from next Monday there will be only 3 pair booked 455s diagrams...

Ted633 · 14 Dec 2025

Andy1673 said:
Likely from next Monday there will be only 3 pair booked 455s diagrams...

Do you have these diagrams to hand? I’ve got a works Xmas drinks in London tomorrow and would like to try and intercept one at Clapham Junction. Would rather attempt to plan it than turning up and waiting!

Andy1673 · 14 Dec 2025

Ted633 said:
Do you have these diagrams to hand? I’ve got a works Xmas drinks in London tomorrow and would like to try and intercept one at Clapham Junction. Would rather attempt to plan it than turning up and waiting!

I think next week (weekdays) it will be
601+602 Guildford Up CHS 5G10-2G10-2F09-2F96-5Y83 Wimbledon Park depot sdgs 5F91-2F91-2G58-2M57-
2M64-2D63-2D78-5D78 Waterloo CHS

603+604 Waterloo CHS 5G05-2G05-2D18-2J17-2J24-2D23-2D36-2J37-2J44-2D43-2G54-2F53-2F62-2G63-2G74-2F73-
5F73 Guildford Up CHS forms 601+602

605+606 Wimbledon Park depot sdgs 5J97-2J08-1D07-1D16-2G17-2G28-2F27-2F36-2G37-2G48-2F47-2F56-2G57-2G68-2F67-2F80-
5Y68 Wimbledon Park depot sdgs

Nimbus020 · 14 Dec 2025

Andy1673 said:
I think next week (weekdays) it will be
601+602 Guildford Up CHS 5G10-2G10-2F09-2F96-5Y83 Wimbledon Park depot sdgs 5F91-2F91-2G58-2M57-
2M64-2D63-2D78-5D78 Waterloo CHS

603+604 Waterloo CHS 5G05-2G05-2D18-2J17-2J24-2D23-2D36-2J37-2J44-2D43-2G54-2F53-2F62-2G63-2G74-2F73-
5F73 Guildford Up CHS forms 601+602

605+606 Wimbledon Park depot sdgs 5J97-2J08-1D07-1D16-2G17-2G28-2F27-2F36-2G37-2G48-2F47-2F56-2G57-2G68-2F67-2F80-
5Y68 Wimbledon Park depot sdgs

Many thanks - do you know what’s diagrammed to work 2M51 from tomorrow?

TEW · 14 Dec 2025

Nimbus020 said:
Many thanks - do you know what’s diagrammed to work 2M51 from tomorrow?

2M51 is booked 8-450

Nimbus020 · 14 Dec 2025

TEW said:
2M51 is booked 8-450

Thanks - it was 8-455

bb21 · 15 Dec 2025

Andy1673 said:
I think next week (weekdays) it will be
601+602 Guildford Up CHS 5G10-2G10-2F09-2F96-5Y83 Wimbledon Park depot sdgs 5F91-2F91-2G58-2M57-
2M64-2D63-2D78-5D78 Waterloo CHS

603+604 Waterloo CHS 5G05-2G05-2D18-2J17-2J24-2D23-2D36-2J37-2J44-2D43-2G54-2F53-2F62-2G63-2G74-2F73-
5F73 Guildford Up CHS forms 601+602

605+606 Wimbledon Park depot sdgs 5J97-2J08-1D07-1D16-2G17-2G28-2F27-2F36-2G37-2G48-2F47-2F56-2G57-2G68-2F67-2F80-
5Y68 Wimbledon Park depot sdgs

Yes that's correct.

Apologies I was a bit tied up this weekend so below are the full details. Only the three left.

WM601/602	5G10	05:38	Guildford UCS	Guildford	05:49
(peaks only)	2G10	06:04	Guildford	London Waterloo	07:08
	2F09	07:17	London Waterloo	Woking	08:08
	2F96	08:20	Woking	London Waterloo	09:04
	5Y83	09:22	London Waterloo	Wimbledon Park D	10:11
	5F91	15:54	Wimbledon Park D	London Waterloo	16:34
	2F91	17:02	London Waterloo	Guildford	17:57
	2G58	18:04	Guildford	London Waterloo	19:07
	2M57	19:17	London Waterloo	Chessington Sth	19:51
	2M64	20:10	Chessington Sth	London Waterloo	20:46
	2D63	20:53	London Waterloo	Guildford	22:02
	2D78	22:45	Guildford	London Waterloo	23:56
	5D78	00:15	London Waterloo	Waterloo C.H.S.	00:17

WM603/604	5G05	05:44	Waterloo C.H.S.	London Waterloo	05:46
	2G05	06:00	London Waterloo	Guildford	07:01
	2D18	07:42	Guildford	London Waterloo	08:55
	2J17	09:06	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	09:43
	2J24	09:54	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	10:31
	2D23	10:53	London Waterloo	Guildford	12:02
	2D36	12:45	Guildford	London Waterloo	13:55
	2J37	14:06	London Waterloo	Hampton Court	14:43
	2J44	14:54	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	15:31
	2D43	15:53	London Waterloo	Guildford	17:02
	2G54	17:09	Guildford	London Waterloo	18:10
	2F53	18:20	London Waterloo	Woking	19:10
	2F62	19:33	Woking	London Waterloo	20:22
	2G63	20:33	London Waterloo	Guildford	21:37
	2G74	22:04	Guildford	London Waterloo	23:10
	2F73	23:20	London Waterloo	Woking	00:10
	5F73	00:14	Woking	Guildford UCS	00:22

WM605/606	5J97	05:23	Wimbledon Park D	Hampton Court	05:45
	2J08	05:54	Hampton Court	London Waterloo	06:31
	1D07	06:39	London Waterloo	Dorking	07:33
	1D16	07:48	Dorking	London Waterloo	08:46
	2G17	09:03	London Waterloo	Guildford	10:07
	2G28	10:34	Guildford	London Waterloo	11:37
	2F27	11:50	London Waterloo	Woking	12:38
	2F36	13:03	Woking	London Waterloo	13:52
	2G37	14:03	London Waterloo	Guildford	15:07
	2G48	15:34	Guildford	London Waterloo	16:37
	2F47	16:50	London Waterloo	Woking	17:40
	2F56	18:03	Woking	London Waterloo	18:52
	2G57	19:03	London Waterloo	Guildford	20:05
	2G68	20:34	Guildford	London Waterloo	21:37
	2F67	21:50	London Waterloo	Woking	22:38
	2F80	23:04	Woking	London Waterloo	23:54
	5Y68	00:07	London Waterloo	Wimbledon Park D	00:54

Andy1673 · 15 Dec 2025

bb21 said:
Yes that's correct.

Apologies I was a bit tied up this weekend so below are the full details. Only the three left.

WM601/602
5G10
05:38
Guildford UCS
Guildford
05:49
(peaks only)
2G10
06:04
Guildford
London Waterloo
07:08
2F09
07:17
London Waterloo
Woking
08:08
2F96
08:20
Woking
London Waterloo
09:04
5Y83
09:22
London Waterloo
Wimbledon Park D
10:11
5F91
15:54
Wimbledon Park D
London Waterloo
16:34
2F91
17:02
London Waterloo
Guildford
17:57
2G58
18:04
Guildford
London Waterloo
19:07
2M57
19:17
London Waterloo
Chessington Sth
19:51
2M64
20:10
Chessington Sth
London Waterloo
20:46
2D63
20:53
London Waterloo
Guildford
22:02
2D78
22:45
Guildford
London Waterloo
23:56
5D78
00:15
London Waterloo
Waterloo C.H.S.
00:17
WM603/604
5G05
05:44
Waterloo C.H.S.
London Waterloo
05:46
2G05
06:00
London Waterloo
Guildford
07:01
2D18
07:42
Guildford
London Waterloo
08:55
2J17
09:06
London Waterloo
Hampton Court
09:43
2J24
09:54
Hampton Court
London Waterloo
10:31
2D23
10:53
London Waterloo
Guildford
12:02
2D36
12:45
Guildford
London Waterloo
13:55
2J37
14:06
London Waterloo
Hampton Court
14:43
2J44
14:54
Hampton Court
London Waterloo
15:31
2D43
15:53
London Waterloo
Guildford
17:02
2G54
17:09
Guildford
London Waterloo
18:10
2F53
18:20
London Waterloo
Woking
19:10
2F62
19:33
Woking
London Waterloo
20:22
2G63
20:33
London Waterloo
Guildford
21:37
2G74
22:04
Guildford
London Waterloo
23:10
2F73
23:20
London Waterloo
Woking
00:10
5F73
00:14
Woking
Guildford UCS
00:22
WM605/606
5J97
05:23
Wimbledon Park D
Hampton Court
05:45
2J08
05:54
Hampton Court
London Waterloo
06:31
1D07
06:39
London Waterloo
Dorking
07:33
1D16
07:48
Dorking
London Waterloo
08:46
2G17
09:03
London Waterloo
Guildford
10:07
2G28
10:34
Guildford
London Waterloo
11:37
2F27
11:50
London Waterloo
Woking
12:38
2F36
13:03
Woking
London Waterloo
13:52
2G37
14:03
London Waterloo
Guildford
15:07
2G48
15:34
Guildford
London Waterloo
16:37
2F47
16:50
London Waterloo
Woking
17:40
2F56
18:03
Woking
London Waterloo
18:52
2G57
19:03
London Waterloo
Guildford
20:05
2G68
20:34
Guildford
London Waterloo
21:37
2F67
21:50
London Waterloo
Woking
22:38
2F80
23:04
Woking
London Waterloo
23:54
5Y68
00:07
London Waterloo
Wimbledon Park D
00:54

PudseyBearHST · 15 Dec 2025

Can anyone verify if the laminated posters are official or some enthusiast has put them up? They are laminated posters stuck onto the doors of the 455s.
E.g. one poster reads: “Farewell British Rail Class 455” … “This poster was sponsored by Léthaniel Metals” with a picture of a Class 455 on it

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