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[SuspectUsual]

44932 feeling better today - top & tail with the 20.

It looks strange seeing a 20 on the front of a train with steam leaking out of the coaching stock.

And bonnet first as well

 

[D6130]

And bonnet first as well

For those of us brought up in Scotland, there's nothing unusual about seeing a 20 running bonnet-first!

 

[HertiageFan]

Top and tailed due to train length (and helps with time keeping).

On Railcam, 44932 is top and tailed with D9520

 

[30907]

On Railcam, 44932 is top and tailed with D9520

Adequate power for the load. Indeed, I see that D32 substituted later.

 

[HertiageFan]

Adequate power for the load. Indeed, I see that D32 substituted later.

I’m guessing 44932 had to give D32 a push

 

[xotGD]

The latest "Push and Pull" dropped through the letterbox this morning. Some snippets of loco gen:

The overhaul of Bahamas is expected to take 18 - 24 months. It will be fitted with air brakes.

War Department 90733 and Rat 25059 should both be back in traffic in 2026.

52044 and 1054 are both expected to see passenger service over the winter.

78022 is visiting the Great Central in the New Year.

And an interesting snippet:

"The experience of using [48305] has certainly ignited enthusiasm for the possibility of overhauling our own 8F 48431 in the future."

That would be nice.

 

[Gwr12345]

Couple of questions, when does the Black 5 leave the railway? Next weekend it was due to be the Standard 4 on the Elf Explorers, but it seems to have moved to TBC on the roster.
Secondly, can anyone say what this is planned to be? https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R22291/2025-12-16/detailed
Edit: just had a look, it seems quite a few of these services are planned over the next week, what are they?

 

[Iskra]

The latest "Push and Pull" dropped through the letterbox this morning. Some snippets of loco gen:

The overhaul of Bahamas is expected to take 18 - 24 months. It will be fitted with air brakes.

War Department 90733 and Rat 25059 should both be back in traffic in 2026.

52044 and 1054 are both expected to see passenger service over the winter.

78022 is visiting the Great Central in the New Year.

And an interesting snippet:

"The experience of using [48305] has certainly ignited enthusiasm for the possibility of overhauling our own 8F 48431 in the future."

That would be nice.

Thanks for sharing, I’m away from home for some time so won’t be able to read my copy for a while.

For Bahamas, whose mainline stock will fitting air brakes make it most compatible with?

I’m looking forward to the WD, that’s one of my favourites. The Rat will be fun too.

How many Standard 2’s do the GCR need though

Well the GCR 8F proved its worth, so there’s more of an incentive for something that can pull heavy trains even in fire risk season.

 

[kje7812]

Thanks for sharing, I’m away from home for some time so won’t be able to read my copy for a while.

For Bahamas, whose mainline stock will fitting air brakes make it most compatible with?

I’m looking forward to the WD, that’s one of my favourites. The Rat will be fun too.

How many Standard 2’s do the GCR need though

Well the GCR 8F proved its worth, so there’s more of an incentive for something that can pull heavy trains even in fire risk season.

Under the present circumstances, both WCR and LSL run trains need air brakes. Though LSL have quite a few locos of their own so I'm not sure they will be bothered with hiring in an outsider.
VT are still vac braked.

 

[Iskra]

Under the present circumstances, both WCR and LSL run trains need air brakes. Though LSL have quite a few locos of their own so I'm sure they will be bothered with hiring in an outsider.
VT are still vac braked.

Thanks, West Coast is the obvious candidate then!

 

[xotGD]

I’m looking forward to the WD, that’s one of my favourites.

I'm looking forward to it too - and so is my red pen!

 

[merry]

How many Standard 2’s do the GCR need though

By all the reports I have heard, the Standard 2s have proved excellent and economic performers on the GCR. Well suited to the line and traffic. I suspect another one won't be a problem!

 

[Lemmy282]

From the ontrackplant website a track tamper usually runs as 6J32.

DR75402 - Matisa B41UE Tamper

75402 is a Matisa B41UE Tamper. It is owned by VolkerRail.

www.ontrackplant.com

 

[HertiageFan]

Yesterday the 101 was rostered but on social media, the 144 was suggested but on webcams, I saw the 101 It’s too early for webcams today and I may be visiting so can anyone please tell me what is running today. Thank you so much

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By all the reports I have heard, the Standard 2s have proved excellent and economic performers on the GCR. Well suited to the line and traffic. I suspect another one won't be a problem!

Leaves the railway to 4 steam locos and 41241 has done many miles this year so that means that when 78022 goes, there will only be 3 operational locomotives

 

[Solent&Wessex]

Yesterday the 101 was rostered but on social media, the 144 was suggested but on webcams, I saw the 101 It’s too early for webcams today and I may be visiting so can anyone please tell me what is running today. Thank you so much

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Leaves the railway to 4 steam locos and 41241 has done many miles this year so that means that when 78022 goes, there will only be 3 operational locomotives

The Class 101 today.

Class 144 is booked out next weekend.

 

[xotGD]

Yesterday the 101 was rostered but on social media, the 144 was suggested but on webcams, I saw the 101 It’s too early for webcams today and I may be visiting so can anyone please tell me what is running today. Thank you so much

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Leaves the railway to 4 steam locos and 41241 has done many miles this year so that means that when 78022 goes, there will only be 3 operational locomotives

3?

Ivatt
Black 5
Standard 4
Green Dragon
Coal Tank

So 5 unless the Black 5 departs, then 4.

 

[HertiageFan]

3?

Ivatt
Black 5
Standard 4
Green Dragon
Coal Tank

So 5 unless the Black 5 departs, then 4.

The black 5 is scheduled to leave before Xmas and the Ivatt is out for some maintenance after high mileage

 

[Gwr12345]

Nunney Castle and Braunton are the 2 guest locos for the Steam gala this year. Interesting combo I think

 

[xotGD]

Nunney Castle and Braunton are the 2 guest locos for the Steam gala this year. Interesting combo I think

Let's hope for one or two more guests!

And maybe 90733 back by then?

 

[Gwr12345]

Let's hope for one or two more guests!

Their Comms seem to suggest that's it I'm afraid. 2 is standard for the Steam Gala I think, although If they're both mainline certified they must be slightly cheaper?

 

[Iskra]

Yesterday the 101 was rostered but on social media, the 144 was suggested but on webcams, I saw the 101 It’s too early for webcams today and I may be visiting so can anyone please tell me what is running today. Thank you so much

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Leaves the railway to 4 steam locos and 41241 has done many miles this year so that means that when 78022 goes, there will only be 3 operational locomotives

Presumably, the Standard 2 leaving to the GCR was part of the deal of the 8F coming in? If so, then they can hardly avoid it.

I still think they have enough options.

 

[kje7812]

Their Comms seem to suggest that's it I'm afraid. 2 is standard for the Steam Gala I think, although If they're both mainline certified they must be slightly cheaper?

Steaming fees for mainline locos is usually more though.

 

[YorkshireBear]

Movements to KWVR are generally quite costly as they have to be night time fully escorted moves. Tender locos, double transport costs.

You'd be surprised at what percentage of the total cost of the crane for Bridge 27 last year was the police escort.

 

[HertiageFan]

Their Comms seem to suggest that's it I'm afraid. 2 is standard for the Steam Gala I think, although If they're both mainline certified they must be slightly cheaper?

They’ll be double heading so I’d assume so

 

[Gwr12345]

Movements to KWVR are generally quite costly as they have to be night time fully escorted moves. Tender locos, double transport costs.

You'd be surprised at what percentage of the total cost of the crane for Bridge 27 last year was the police escort.

They're both mainline certified aren't they? They'll probably be arriving between rail if that's the case, that's what they do for the diesel gala. It's why the diesel gala never has anything from non mainline connected heritage lines, to keep transport costs down, as they all arrive in convoy

 

[YorkshireBear]

They're both mainline certified aren't they? They'll probably be arriving between rail if that's the case, that's what they do for the diesel gala. It's why the diesel gala never has anything from non mainline connected heritage lines, to keep transport costs down, as they all arrive in convoy

Yes sorry I was meant to directly reply to kje7812 comment.

 

[HertiageFan]

Does anyone know what running steam loco is running tomorrow ?
Update: it was 44932 top and tailed with the 20

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Apparently 44932 has failed, it has been removed at Keighley. Update: the 14 is running round to haul the service up to Oxenhope.

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Does anyone know what running steam loco is running tomorrow ?
Update: it was 44932 top and tailed with the 20

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Apparently 44932 has failed, it has been removed at Keighley. Update: the 14 is running round to haul the service up to Oxenhope.

44932 has been dragged back by the 101

 

[Iskra]

Does anyone know what running steam loco is running tomorrow ?
Update: it was 44932 top and tailed with the 20

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Apparently 44932 has failed, it has been removed at Keighley. Update: the 14 is running round to haul the service up to Oxenhope.

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44932 has been dragged back by the 101

I bet that was an interesting sight!

 

[xotGD]

So the Black 5 might not be leaving on Monday after all of it can't be fixed tomorrow.

 

[HertiageFan]

I bet that was an interesting sight!

I saw it on rail cam. 78022 and the 14 running on The ‘A Christmas Carol‘ tonight