Fishguard to get 2 hourly service from September

[anthony263]

Is there going to be a 10005 from Swansea to Pembroke Dock in the new timetable?

I though the plan was as to start the service from Carmarthen using the unit which forms the 09:50 services from Fishguard- Carmarthen?

 

[Greenback]

I though the plan was as to start the service from Carmarthen using the unit which forms the 09:50 services from Fishguard- Carmarthen?

It could be, but do we have a source for this?

 

[Rhydgaled]

I though the plan was as to start the service from Carmarthen using the unit which forms the 09:50 services from Fishguard- Carmarthen?

It could be, but do we have a source for this?

The Fishguard timetable consultation document said that changes to two existing services were required:

• The current 10:05 Swansea – Pembroke Dock service would commence from Carmarthen (passengers from Swansea would be able to connect into the Pembroke service at Carmarthen from an existing Swansea service) (this applies Monday – Friday in school term times only. The Swansea connection is maintained on Saturdays, bank holidays and school holidays.
• The current 15:14 Cardiff to Swansea train (Swanline service) would be retimed to a 15:30 departure, enabling it to link with a Swansea – Fishguard service as a through train.

 

[merlodlliw]

Is there going to be a 10005 from Swansea to Pembroke Dock in the new timetable?

here it is.

1V70 ex Crewe 05.55 to Carmarthen ex Swansea 10,00 Carmarthen arrive 10.51

2E14 ex Carmarthen 10.51 Pembroke Dock arrive 12.23


Saturdays the same diagrams & train numbers except ex Carmarthen 1056 arrives Pembroke Dock 12.20.

any others?


Bob

 

[Greenback]

That's cleared my head up! There's no need for a 1000 and 1005 departure from Swansea except at holiday times when the Pembroke Dock service is quit ebusy with people going to Tenby. It's good to see that it will still run outside of school times.

There must be something missing though, I can't believe that ATW would leave one unit sitting in Swansea from 0930 ish to 1710.

 

[merlodlliw]

error 2E14 Mon to Fri departs Carmarthen 10.58, could not get back into page


Bob

 

[anthony263]

That's cleared my head up! There's no need for a 1000 and 1005 departure from Swansea except at holiday times when the Pembroke Dock service is quit ebusy with people going to Tenby. It's good to see that it will still run outside of school times.

There must be something missing though, I can't believe that ATW would leave one unit sitting in Swansea from 0930 ish to 1710.

I agree, either they plan on running it on an aditional swanline or use it to boost capacity on one of the other west wales services

 

[traveller1]

I see the times from 12th September are now available via National Rail Website.

Looks like the following eastbound from FGH (these are based on searches for 12/09/11).

0653 Fishguard Harbour to Clarbeston Road
0804 Fishguard Harbour to Manchester Piccadilly
0956 Fishguard Harbour to Carmarthen
1330 Fishguard Harbour to Cheltenham Spa
1900 Fishguard Harbour to Clarbeston Road
2050 Fishguard Harbout to Carmarthen

On the return, an interesting working but may be an anomaly?

The proposed 1530 ex Cardiff to Fishguard is a 1514 (current Swanline time) but runs through to Fishguard running non-stop between Llansamlet and Gowerton. Does not show Swansea calling point. Correct or an anomaly?

 

[anthony263]

That would have to be an anomolly, there would be a lot of very unhappy passengers if the train didnt go to Swansea and i doubt there would be many onboard as most of the passengers woul be wanting to go to swansea

 

[merlodlliw]

I see the times from 12th September are now available via National Rail Website.

Looks like the following eastbound from FGH (these are based on searches for 12/09/11).

0653 Fishguard Harbour to Clarbeston Road
0804 Fishguard Harbour to Manchester Piccadilly
0956 Fishguard Harbour to Carmarthen
1330 Fishguard Harbour to Cheltenham Spa
1900 Fishguard Harbour to Clarbeston Road
2050 Fishguard Harbout to Carmarthen

On the return, an interesting working but may be an anomaly?

The proposed 1530 ex Cardiff to Fishguard is a 1514 (current Swanline time) but runs through to Fishguard running non-stop between Llansamlet and Gowerton. Does not show Swansea calling point. Correct or an anomaly?

Im just back from the Royal Welsh Showground, Ill P.M. a couple of you guys about the new timetable & how to get it to you, welcome to our new member timetable. As I have to go to Talacre early tomorrow Ill respond ASAP.
Bit of chaos getting to Bilth Road station with the new bypass this afternoon, no road signage. several missed the train who had attended the Welsh Pony & Cob International Show
Bob

 

[traveller1]

Im just back from the Royal Welsh Showground, Ill P.M. a couple of you guys about the new timetable & how to get it to you, welcome to our new member timetable. As I have to go to Talacre early tomorrow Ill respond ASAP.
Bit of chaos getting to Bilth Road station with the new bypass this afternoon, no road signage. several missed the train who had attended the Welsh Pony & Cob International Show
Bob

Thank you very much for the welcome. Have been reading the forum for a good while, and taking a keen interest in the fishguard and ATW threads.

The westbound timetable (again from NRE online for 12/09/11) showing:

0550 Carmarthen to FGH (arr 0644)
0734 Clarbeston Road to FGH (arr 0758)
0907 Whitland to FGH (arr 0946)
1055 Cardiff Central to FGH (current service, arr 1325)
1514 Cardiff Central to FGH (showing non-stop Llansamlet to Gowerton at the moment, arr 1834)
2005 Clarbeston Road to FGH (arr, 2030)

Havent checked Saturdays. Would be interested in looking at Table 128 for the year long 2012 timetable if anyone has a copy available.

 

[Rhydgaled]

VERY strange.

When asked to do a Fishguard - Cardiff journey the East Coast journey planner shows 2 runs have 0 changes, as expected. However, if you search with the 'trains with no changes' box ticked only the existing boat trains comes up.

As for the Swanline, it says the 15:14 the Friday before does Cardiff - Swansea in 1hr 9min, calling at:

Bridgend 15:33
Pyle 15:42
Port Talbot Parkway 15:50
Baglan 15:54
Briton Ferry 15:57
Neath 16:01
Skewen 16:05
Llansamlet 16:09
Swansea 16:20​

I also looked up the journey time for Swansea - Gowerton, which ranges from 12min to 20min.

Back on September 12th, the 15:14 is apparently timed the same until:

Llansamlet 16:09
Gowerton 16:51
Llanelli 16:58
Miss A Few
Carmarthen 17:32​

That gives it 42 mins between Llansamlet and Gowerton, plenty of time to call at Swansea. It must be a mistake, but the question is will it run 15:14 CDF - SWA as normal, then have a fairly long layover, or be re-timed to 15:30 as everywhere else suggests.

 

[anthony263]

The swanline's normally arrive into Swansea at 16 minutes past the hour, they have just had a bit of slack added to the timetable

 

[Markdvdman]

The new timetable is now on the arriva website showing the Fishguard extras.

 

[merlodlliw]

The new timetable is now on the arriva website showing the Fishguard extras.

thank you. Now can I get to Fishguard & back on an ATW over 50s rate in a day, sounds like 16 hours on a DMU, perhaps not,leave to the keener addicts
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thank you. Now can I get to Fishguard & back on an ATW over 50s rate in a day, sounds like 16 hours on a DMU, perhaps not,leave to the keener addicts

will you put up the link please, I can not find it, thanks

Bob

 

[Greenback]

The September to December timetable can be found on the main timetables page:

http://www.arrivatrainswales.co.uk/timetables/

 

[anthony263]

About time, i will have a look through this to see if there are any other changes.

We also get to see trains splitting at Whitland again with the 06:42 Cardiff - Pembroke Dock now also running to Fishguard Harbour.

 

[merlodlliw]

The September to December timetable can be found on the main timetables page:

http://www.arrivatrainswales.co.uk/timetables/

Many thanks my amphibious friend, I had not refreshed the computer F5
so it only showed the version ending on Saturday.

Pity the iron horse is only running twice on Sunday,a good days tourist trade missed, the big gap in the afternoon is a spoiler in my opinion as well.

Bob

 

[Greenback]

I remain puzzled by the 0922 arrival into Swansea. This is the 0709 from Pembroke Dock, and I can't work out what it does! Is it attached tot he 1000 departure to Carmarthen, but run seperately as a 1005 for half term week in October?

Or does it just sit in Swansea all day as has been speculated previously/

 

[MidnightFlyer]

A train about 1500 ~ to Clarbeston Rd / Whitland would make the timetable almost perfect, but I suppose a 250% service increase six days a week is good enough :P

 

[anthony263]

I remain puzzled by the 0922 arrival into Swansea. This is the 0709 from Pembroke Dock, and I can't work out what it does! Is it attached tot he 1000 departure to Carmarthen, but run seperately as a 1005 for half term week in October?

Or does it just sit in Swansea all day as has been speculated previously/

Could always end up siting in Swansea all day then form the 17:10 Swansea - Cardiff swanline, then the 18:21 WAG2 to Holyhead

How about and additional swanline diagram:

10:10 Swansea - Cardiff (Arr 11:15)
12:14 Cardiff - Swansea (Arr 13:20)
14:10 Swansea - Cardiff (Arr 15:15)
then attaches to the 16:04 Cardiff - Milford Haven service which arrives into Swansea at 17:00 and detaches at Swansea to form the 17:10 Swansea - Cardiff swanline service and then possibly the 18:21 to Holyhead

Other than that then only other thing it could do is yes attach to the rear of the 10:00 departure from Swansea to Carmarthen

 

[merlodlliw]

Could always end up siting in Swansea all day then form the 17:10 Swansea - Cardiff swanline, then the 18:21 WAG2 to Holyhead

How about and additional swanline diagram:

10:10 Swansea - Cardiff (Arr 11:15)
12:14 Cardiff - Swansea (Arr 13:20)
14:10 Swansea - Cardiff (Arr 15:15)
then attaches to the 16:04 Cardiff - Milford Haven service which arrives into Swansea at 17:00 and detaches at Swansea to form the 17:10 Swansea - Cardiff swanline service and then possibly the 18:21 to Holyhead

Other than that then only other thing it could do is yes attach to the rear of the 10:00 departure from Swansea to Carmarthen

If I recall WAG2 was shown in the consultative timetable about a year ago & then dropped from returning to HDD from Swansea.
In its current 175 two coach form as open access (I find ATW cost WAG2 at £312K a coach for half a year, x 2 £625K, the three coach option 175 at £1million was turned down as too expensive).
ATW wont shift it to Swansea out of its 6 hour slumber at Cardiff unless WAG pays, bonkers. I look forward to chapter & verse on Monday evening of how the Fishguard specials ran and were loaded.

Bob

 

[anthony263]

If I recall WAG2 was shown in the consultative timetable about a year ago & then dropped from returning to HDD from Swansea.
In its current 175 two coach form as open access (I find ATW cost WAG2 at £312K a coach for half a year, x 2 £625K, the three coach option 175 at £1million was turned down as too expensive).
ATW wont shift it to Swansea out of its 6 hour slumber at Cardiff unless WAG pays, bonkers. I look forward to chapter & verse on Monday evening of how the Fishguard specials ran and were loaded.

Bob

I have received a report on wnxx stating that demolishion of the building at goodwick station has started and that funding has been found to re-open the station hopefully towards the end of this year.

Trains do have enough time to make a call at the station at goodwick when it re-open's

I am hoping to be on the 07:10 train from Pyle to Fishguard Harbour which will be the service the minister officially launches at Fishgaurd Harbour station.

 

[Demetae]

Went up to have a final look at the Goodwick station a week or so ago, all the land around the area has been cleared but the station building is still standing. Although its in a right state now, no sign that it has been touched.

Some photos HERE if anyones interested

 

[anthony263]

I have seen written on the WNXX forum that the 0905 Shrewsbury - Llandrindod - Swansea - Cardiff service has been cut back to Swansea with the class 153 sitting in Swansea from 13:05 til 17:10 where it will form the 17:10 Swansea - Cardiff swanline service

Also arrangements have been made so that some of the Fishguard town bus services will run to the Harbour to connect with eth 08:06. 09:56, 13:30 & 19:00 departures to Carmarthen/Swansea & the 07:58, 09:46,13:25 & 18:34 arrivals. Bus service changes come into affect from 30th september, now that vosa have been informed, a minibus will be used in the meantime aparantly.

Finally I have some further news regarding the station at Fishguard & Goodwick, the old structure and the platform have been cleared so that the platform can be re-built to meet safety standards. A series of postcards , posters are being printed advertising the train service and media advertising is due to start tommorow.

 

[truckman060473]

The morning service from Carmarthen leaves 8.47 (Hereford to Pembroke Dock), and you change at Whitland for the service to Fishguard Harbour. This train is the Whitland to FGH service so where will it be waiting? In the sidings at Whitland or will it be sent from Carmarthen as an empty train to start the service at Whitland?

 

[Pacerpilot]

It runs attached to the Pembroke Dock service. The units will split at Whiltand, the rear portion forming the FGH service.

 

[truckman060473]

Ah right. is there a need to be a change then, considering passengers to Fishguard could in theory get on the rear portion at Carmarthen, or will it be too much confusion with Pembroke passengers also possibly getting on the rear unit in error?

 

[Pacerpilot]

The Guards will announce over the P.A which portions go where so hopefully everyone will end up where they want to be. It works on the Valleys

 

[truckman060473]

Yes I see. But National Rail Enquiries say that one change is necessary to get to Fishguard on this 8.47 service, so you either get off the leading units at Whitland and get on the rear, or, stay on the rear one from the start? Unless of course the rear unit is locked out of use until Whitland?