Redhill to Sevenoaks currently has Ovalised fares for the "Not London" and "Any Permitted" routes, and legacy fares for the "Edenbridge" route.
The system doesn't need to know which route you have taken if there is only one fare. You are assuming separate fares will be set.
If the current fares for going via the (much) cheaper route aren't retained, it will mean steep fare increases for people.
Given break of journey isn't a thing, it isn't as important for Contactless to know the route because only the displacement matters, not the distance travelled. However, I can't see the railway wanting, for example, East Croydon to Tonbridge via London Bridge, being available at the current fare for going via Redhill.
Apologies, I see now that this information was posted yesterday. Post 1,910. https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...ess-payment-cards.231684/page-64#post-7574495
I am not proposing anything.
Welcome to Project Oval where there are many scenarios that mean steep fare increases for some people.
Not really 'according to The Standard'; they're quoting the RDG press release (as seen in post 1910). Standard's not really in the business of original journalism these days, some might say...
That was a surprisingly interesting read - wonder if other operators publish their internal newsletters
They probably just haven't realised that they need to reprice their Advances post-Project Oval to make them competitive. That said, they do have some cheaper tiers than the CDS so perhaps they just don't feel the need to offer much of a discount at those times.
I assume you've got a railcard that is discounting the off peak and anytime fares? Without a railcard, the off peak single is £11.30
That same Railcard is also discounting the Advance, though!
Is it? Network Railcards do not provide a discount on Advance tickets.
The advance is priced ending in 5p, so it's a very good indicator it's been discounted by something.
Having to buy two separate single tickets is simpler than buying one return ticket? Really? Keeping the second half of a return ticket means that you don't have to waste time at a TVM on your return journey.
Buying online aldo means you don't have to "waste time at a TVM" and is what most people actually do.
16-25 railcard
Agreed, but it just means that you waste extra time on line.
This is not a view shared by the overwhelming majority of passengers.
Project Oval is a Department for Transport project, as in the title of the thread. As for sneaking in higher fares, I wonder how much this helps with rising income during the official fare freeze.
They can't do more than say they're not available.
It's nothing to do with the mayor.
Project Oval is delivered by TfL, but they didn’t make the decision to reform fares at the same time as the latest PAYG rollout.
Transport for London's involvement is provision of the charging system, which was the only realistic scenario given Oval is effectively a continuation of the Londoncentric Pay As Yo Go system.
I wouldn't expect it to have anything to do with TfL, rather a decision between the train operator and the DfT in the general move towards simplicity (as with the other withdrawals of non-standard fares).
