duffield
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Thanks, that's good news - it's been a very sore point for many people using the MML for years.
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Class 810 for East Midlands Railway Construction/Introduction Updates
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Bletchleyite
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In a strange parallel to the Class 777 (though these units are not nearly so bad by the looks of things) there's one of the project team on Twitter/X (@huwsdavis) expecting to bask in glory but getting some criticism, particularly of the seating, and seeming to take mild offence at it just like the Merseyrail guy...
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Loadhaul60059
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Used the MML today for the first time in years and I thought my phone was broken!
Reassuring to hear the 810's are better for this.
duffield
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Yes, the 222s are notorious for poor (or no) reception. That aspect of them with definitely not be missed!
WesternLancer
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But there’s always the great Wi fi…
Err…
LLivery
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They look great. Small gripe... I'm going to miss that lovely jingle before announcements
QSK19
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It was a bit weird not hearing the distinct “purring” that my namesake engines make!
I’m going to do a run to Market Harborough one day; so I look forward to hearing the thud on the way back!
tfw756rider
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On more than one platform.Social media post with photos of today's first run
Today's Railways UK (@todaysrailwaysuk.bsky.social)
Great to be on the first East Midlands Railway “Aurora” to enter passenger service this morning - 810010 working the 07.00 Sheffield-St Pancras as its first train. More on the 810s in the next TR UKbsky.app
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What do CFA, PAU and PTI stand for?
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Do the 701s also have the 15-minute toilet alert, then?
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GhostManDN91
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What are they like between London and Leicester using AC compared to the 222s that run on diesel? Faster ride does it feel like?
What is meant by this?
Charlie978
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I would imagine no difference on a Sheffield as the main advantage of electric is acceleration and they don’t stop under wires. Would be interesting to see if there’s any improvement on the Market Harborough or Kettering stops on the Nottingham’s
tram21
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There were definitely some minor issues with the doors. When I was onboard there were a lot of Hitachi staff, and they were discussing whether to do a door reset at Nottingham, but that didn't actually happen. I think they had to reset the engines as well.
Railperf
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The mirror film on Class 222 windows reflects everything away - mobile signals / GPS, the lot!
Hitachi Class 800/801/802 and 803 have generally been really god for mobile / GPS reception. EMR stated there is a grey tint on their windows, not sure if that is a variation on glass used on other Class 80x and how that affects reception.
I note that train manufacturers are realising that UV reflective films in wndow glass are not helpful to Rf signals and have developed products to aid UV reflection but allowing better radio sigal penetration through the glass. Apparently it is a cheaper solution to having to install 4G/5G signal repeaters in each vehicle.
zwk500
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PTI is definitely platform-train interface
Think CFA is Call For Aid, PAU not sure.
'platform' = social media website (in this case, being reported on twitter as well as Bluesky)
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This thread covers the subject: https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...modems-laser-etched-glass-im-confused.295539/
Was gonna say! Not railway platform
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Trains in electric mode generally have more rail power available and can accelerate faster. The midland main line has quite a few locations where speed has to be reduced for curvature, so the train in electric mode will more likely regain its top speed earlier once the slower restriction has passed.
One also has to note that in GWR land for exampe at times almost 1 in 3 Class 80x trains is running with at least one engine isolated or not giving out its full power - which affects the ability to accelerate quickly in diesel mode.
The maximum linespeed on the Midland main line is 125mph as far as Irchester and then 110mph onwards to Leicester. There are plenty of places where the trainnhas to sow and reaccelerate to top speed - tis list is not exhaustive - 100mph through St Albans, 90mph through Luton, 110mph through Bedford, 110mph over Sharnbrook summit, 80mph through Wellingborough, 95 mph through Kettering, 100mph at Desborough, 85mph through Market Harborough - 80mph around Wigston North Junction. From Leicester northbound it is a similar pattern.
PAU - Passenger Alarm Unit, basically the passcom
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norbitonflyer
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I think you'd have had to be quite close. I was almost underneath. (Don't know what happened on the way back when the pan was raised as first class was at the rear and I'm not made of money).
(The pantograph on the rear car was used in both directions)
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Curiously, I thought the seating was fine on my round trip, and I had a nice look round the Richard III Centre in Leicester. But when I tried to get out at St Pancras my back pain flared up, making the standing-room only journey home on Tube and local train excruciating. (Imoproved overnight, thanks) .
The difference may be that I had a table seat on the way north and an airline seat on the way back. The seats may be identical, but you need to go through some contortions to get out of the airline seats.
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tram21
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The accessible toilet on 810006 is reported on EMR service updates as being out of use, I guess they didn't fix the issue!
It was working on 010 yesterday.
It was working on 010 yesterday.
To give you an idea of how space inefficient the Meridians are, this is approximately the same standard capacity as a 3-car XC 170!
TT-ONR-NRN
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Before or after 1st was turfed?
Maybe the issue has been fixed and another fault has occurred!
And is it both accessible toilets or just one?
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222001
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Sounds like both to me:
"Facilities on the 11:32 St Pancras International to Sheffield due 13:42.
Accessible toilet facilities are not available."
NSEWonderer
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701s do have a 15 minute timer alert if someone's been detected in the toilet for that period of time. Alerts driver and switches camera to focus on the outside door of the offending toilet. Guard gets alerted where reasonably possible by driver over intercom.
222001
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Looks like 810006 is being swapped for 222004 at Derby on 1F32 - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:Y07238/2025-12-04/detailed
The accessible toilet at the 1st class end was oou leaving Sheffield on 810010 with the 1400 to St.P yesterday afternoon and the fitters (plumbers) were still trying to fix when it got to Derby
PAU - Passanger Alarm Unit ( So Pass Com - Red handles)
I've been informed they are trying to sort the issue out on the move to prevent the swap from happening
Railperf
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so far no announcement on thetrain about any swaps. what is the issue?
Sitting in coach A, the HVAC drone seems noisier than other 80x classes.