Bleakest UK Station (Trivia)

[Pnerick81]

Quite a few bleak stations on the east lancs line in my opinion. Mill Hill , rose grove and nelson really do seem not to have had any form of maintenance over the last 30 years . Church and ozzy aswell .

 

[Bodiam]

Carpender's Park (despite the station itself being a fairly nice example of classic London Underground* Art Deco architecture) used to be a bit bleak too, a 1960s concrete parade of shops and some flats, but it's been transformed recently into something rather nicer.

* I know it's now a LO station, but it is in LU style, and as LU I think used to extend to Watford I suspect it was built as a Tube station.

I don't have my copy of "London's North Western Electrics" to hand but I'm fairly sure the stations north of Queens Park were built by the main line company of the period, not LER or LT.

 

[W-on-Sea]

The current station at Carpenders Park dates from 1952 (replacing an earlier one on a different site)- so a British Railways creation. Gospel Oak was rebuilt at the same time in a similarly "modern" style (to some extent inspired by 1930s tube stations)

 

[JohnRegular]

I use Patchway from time to time. Has some minor interest with RR next door but always find it spooky and depressing. Especially in the dark and damp.

I used Patchway for the first time the other day. I was the only person getting off the train and the station feels very out on a limb, with the views of industrial land from the footbridge and apparently nothing else in the vicinity.

The nearby suburbs seem pleasant enough, but despite being so close the station feels far removed from them, and I could imagine it feeling very bleak in the right conditions.

 

[bennunn]

It's fine now, but the thread made me think about Rugby station in the 1990s when the platform buildings looked like a dilapidated ball-bearings factory...

 

[eastwestdivide]

It's fine now, but the thread made me think about Rugby station in the 1990s when the platform buildings looked like a dilapidated ball-bearings factory...

Yeah, I lost my bearings there once. Could have been worse.
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(variant on a Two Ronnies joke from donkey’s years ago)

 

[yorksrob]

Yes, I remember using Rugby in the 90's. I remember it had a lot of empty bay platforms.

 

[replacementbus]

I propose Longton station on the Crewe-Derby line as a strong contender for Bleakest station. The station itself is quite bleak, and the surroundings are also very miserable.

It sits on a viaduct above the remains of the ailing town centre. The platform-level station buildings have been demolished, and the platforms blocked off part way along, making them too short for the occasional 4-car 158 or 170 services along the line (these only ever appear on quiet services, for reasons best known to EMR). Beyond the fences, the platforms are covered in brambles and litter. The station's elevated position means it is usually very windy, with just a small bus shelter on each platform for protection. At night, the lighting is quite ineffective. On the platforms, you feel simultaneously very exposed, yet also trapped. Platforms are accessed via dingy staircases, which loop back in on themselves, so you can't see the bottom of the staircase from the street, or from the platform, making them feel quite secluded and threatening. There are no lifts to platform level. Services are hourly, making it quite useless for local travel.

From the platforms, the view is spectacular. On one side, the decaying remains of the phoenix pottery works, a small patch of wasteland serving as a car park, a closed-down adult entertainment shop (good for catching things other than trains), a fire-gutted house, one of the worst-rated hotels in the country, and an empty churchyard (church long since demolished). On the other, the back of a Tesco Extra, an overgrown part-demolished bus station, a car wash run from a shipping container, a collapsing row of empty shops, the faded grandeur of the old town hall, and a very busy road junction. You will often find a group of addicts lurking under the bridge, or occasionally sleeping under the stairs to the platforms.

Positives: volunteers clean the station and tend to some flower boxes (many thanks for your efforts). These don't do much for the overall ambiance, especially at this time of year when everything is dead. There's some fading artwork on the viaduct walls. The in-use parts of the platforms are usually kept free of litter. Heading east from the station, the line crosses a fairly interesting old bridge.

 

[eastwestdivide]

Longton station

Just took a look on google maps, and you’re not exaggerating!

 

[GoneSouth]

I propose Longton station on the Crewe-Derby line as a strong contender for Bleakest station. The station itself is quite bleak, and the surroundings are also very miserable.

It sits on a viaduct above the remains of the ailing town centre. The platform-level station buildings have been demolished, and the platforms blocked off part way along, making them too short for the occasional 4-car 158 or 170 services along the line (these only ever appear on quiet services, for reasons best known to EMR). Beyond the fences, the platforms are covered in brambles and litter. The station's elevated position means it is usually very windy, with just a small bus shelter on each platform for protection. At night, the lighting is quite ineffective. On the platforms, you feel simultaneously very exposed, yet also trapped. Platforms are accessed via dingy staircases, which loop back in on themselves, so you can't see the bottom of the staircase from the street, or from the platform, making them feel quite secluded and threatening. There are no lifts to platform level. Services are hourly, making it quite useless for local travel.

From the platforms, the view is spectacular. On one side, the decaying remains of the phoenix pottery works, a small patch of wasteland serving as a car park, a closed-down adult entertainment shop (good for catching things other than trains), a fire-gutted house, one of the worst-rated hotels in the country, and an empty churchyard (church long since demolished). On the other, the back of a Tesco Extra, an overgrown part-demolished bus station, a car wash run from a shipping container, a collapsing row of empty shops, the faded grandeur of the old town hall, and a very busy road junction. You will often find a group of addicts lurking under the bridge, or occasionally sleeping under the stairs to the platforms.

Positives: volunteers clean the station and tend to some flower boxes (many thanks for your efforts). These don't do much for the overall ambiance, especially at this time of year when everything is dead. There's some fading artwork on the viaduct walls. The in-use parts of the platforms are usually kept free of litter. Heading east from the station, the line crosses a fairly interesting old bridge.

It all sounds like an ideal location for filming a horror movie

 

[Russel]

I propose Longton station on the Crewe-Derby line as a strong contender for Bleakest station. The station itself is quite bleak, and the surroundings are also very miserable.

It sits on a viaduct above the remains of the ailing town centre. The platform-level station buildings have been demolished, and the platforms blocked off part way along, making them too short for the occasional 4-car 158 or 170 services along the line (these only ever appear on quiet services, for reasons best known to EMR). Beyond the fences, the platforms are covered in brambles and litter. The station's elevated position means it is usually very windy, with just a small bus shelter on each platform for protection. At night, the lighting is quite ineffective. On the platforms, you feel simultaneously very exposed, yet also trapped. Platforms are accessed via dingy staircases, which loop back in on themselves, so you can't see the bottom of the staircase from the street, or from the platform, making them feel quite secluded and threatening. There are no lifts to platform level. Services are hourly, making it quite useless for local travel.

From the platforms, the view is spectacular. On one side, the decaying remains of the phoenix pottery works, a small patch of wasteland serving as a car park, a closed-down adult entertainment shop (good for catching things other than trains), a fire-gutted house, one of the worst-rated hotels in the country, and an empty churchyard (church long since demolished). On the other, the back of a Tesco Extra, an overgrown part-demolished bus station, a car wash run from a shipping container, a collapsing row of empty shops, the faded grandeur of the old town hall, and a very busy road junction. You will often find a group of addicts lurking under the bridge, or occasionally sleeping under the stairs to the platforms.

Positives: volunteers clean the station and tend to some flower boxes (many thanks for your efforts). These don't do much for the overall ambiance, especially at this time of year when everything is dead. There's some fading artwork on the viaduct walls. The in-use parts of the platforms are usually kept free of litter. Heading east from the station, the line crosses a fairly interesting old bridge.

Longton is a suburb of Stoke On Trent isn't it? Say no more...

 

[replacementbus]

@GoneSouth a zombie horror film was made in Stoke a few years ago, using part of the derelict Hanley Shopping Centre and former bus station. Hard to tell the difference between the cast and some of the local monkey dust users.
@Russel It's one of the 6 illustrious towns that make up the unholy alliance of Stoke on Trent. Truly a depressing place, and a sad shadow of its former railway glory as home of the NSR.
Stoke is quite a good place to see different rail traction though - 5 different TOCs, and plenty of unusual stock movements heading to electromotive at Longport; keeps things exciting while you're waiting for an inevitably delayed crosscountry service.
Speaking of Longport, that's another good contender for bleak stations. Its sandwiched between the A500 and an industrial estate, on a pothole-ridden, permanently flooded, soviet-looking road lined with scrapyards called Chemical Lane.

 

[GuyGibsonVC]

Reston.

Lots of concrete on the edge of a windswept village with no amenities, a row of council houses and an empty car park.

Utter bereft of any character, service or need.

 

[Train Maniac]

I propose Longton station on the Crewe-Derby line as a strong contender for Bleakest station. The station itself is quite bleak, and the surroundings are also very miserable.

It sits on a viaduct above the remains of the ailing town centre. The platform-level station buildings have been demolished, and the platforms blocked off part way along, making them too short for the occasional 4-car 158 or 170 services along the line (these only ever appear on quiet services, for reasons best known to EMR). Beyond the fences, the platforms are covered in brambles and litter. The station's elevated position means it is usually very windy, with just a small bus shelter on each platform for protection. At night, the lighting is quite ineffective. On the platforms, you feel simultaneously very exposed, yet also trapped. Platforms are accessed via dingy staircases, which loop back in on themselves, so you can't see the bottom of the staircase from the street, or from the platform, making them feel quite secluded and threatening. There are no lifts to platform level. Services are hourly, making it quite useless for local travel.

From the platforms, the view is spectacular. On one side, the decaying remains of the phoenix pottery works, a small patch of wasteland serving as a car park, a closed-down adult entertainment shop (good for catching things other than trains), a fire-gutted house, one of the worst-rated hotels in the country, and an empty churchyard (church long since demolished). On the other, the back of a Tesco Extra, an overgrown part-demolished bus station, a car wash run from a shipping container, a collapsing row of empty shops, the faded grandeur of the old town hall, and a very busy road junction. You will often find a group of addicts lurking under the bridge, or occasionally sleeping under the stairs to the platforms.

Positives: volunteers clean the station and tend to some flower boxes (many thanks for your efforts). These don't do much for the overall ambiance, especially at this time of year when everything is dead. There's some fading artwork on the viaduct walls. The in-use parts of the platforms are usually kept free of litter. Heading east from the station, the line crosses a fairly interesting old bridge.

100% agree with this, Longton is one of the very few places on the national network where ive genuniely felt uneasy while waiting for the train, the town centre is also a place to avoid at all costs after dark.

To be honest, all the stations in the Stoke on Trent urban area match the critieria of bleak...

 

[MichaelTrains]

Morecambe. Just an island of concrete with a bus shelter to escape the elements after 5pm.

 

[Russel]

100% agree with this, Longton is one of the very few places on the national network where ive genuniely felt uneasy while waiting for the train, the town centre is also a place to avoid at all costs after dark.

To be honest, all the stations in the Stoke on Trent urban area match the critieria of bleak...

Some of the Watford DC stations, especially pre Overground days also match your views of Longton!

 

[PLY2AYS]

Exton or Lympstone Cdo. on a cold, rainy autumn/winters’ afternoon.

 

[Ridgeblog]

Would Kensal Green or other stations on the Watford line count as "bleak", at least back in the Silverlink days, before TFL increased the security with ticket barriers and staff? Or possibly others served in the areas..

Edit: @Russel just beat me to it!

 

[Russel]

Would Kensal Green or other stations on the Watford line count as "bleak", at least back in the Silverlink days, before TFL increased the security with ticket barriers and staff? Or possibly others served in the areas..

Edit: @Russel just beat me to it!

I remember spotting at South Kenton in the early 2000s as a teenager in the Silverlink days, I don't recall it feeling unsafe, but looking back now, it probably wasn't the best place to be...

 

[bramling]

I remember spotting at South Kenton in the early 2000s as a teenager in the Silverlink days, I don't recall it feeling unsafe, but looking back now, it probably wasn't the best place to be...

South Kenton was never one of the worst stations on that section. Kendal Green, Willesden Junction, Harlesden and Stonebridge Park were always the worst, Wembley Central and North Wembley not great either. Willesden Junction was okay at times when there was more of a staff presence.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

South Kenton was never one of the worst stations on that section. Kendal Green, Willesden Junction, Harlesden and Stonebridge Park were always the worst, Wembley Central and North Wembley not great either. Willesden Junction was okay at times when there was more of a staff presence.

I used to know the DC line very well from a professional point of view. South Kenton is a very decent 1930's suburb and perfectly safe - though a bit quiet. Wembley Central architectually grim and a bit dodgy (but staffed) - Harlesden and Stonebridge Park certainly ones for concern though - and adjacent areas - McDonalds in Harlesden had bullet holes in the ceiling for example.

Station staffing made a huge difference , but the route had excellent live monitered CCTV with great staff and they were first class in watching out for vulnerable passengers and miscreants ......

 

[Russel]

South Kenton was never one of the worst stations on that section. Kendal Green, Willesden Junction, Harlesden and Stonebridge Park were always the worst, Wembley Central and North Wembley not great either. Willesden Junction was okay at times when there was more of a staff presence.

It does have a rather isolated feel though, either way, a bleak island platform with one way in and out via a grotty subway.

I recall Stonebridge having a bad reputation, the surrounding estates have a rather colourful reputation, or used to anyway.

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I used to know the DC line very well from a professional point of view. South Kenton is a very decent 1930's suburb and perfectly safe - though a bit quiet. Wembley Central architectually grim and a bit dodgy (but staffed) - Harlesden and Stonebridge Park certainly ones for concern though - and adjacent areas - McDonalds in Harlesden had bullet holes in the ceiling for example.

Station staffing made a huge difference , but the route had excellent live monitered CCTV with great staff and they were first class in watching out for vulnerable passengers and miscreants ......

Very interesting, I recall seeing a thread on here a while ago about the Watford DC line back in Silverlink days but can't find it now.

 

[bramling]

I used to know the DC line very well from a professional point of view. South Kenton is a very decent 1930's suburb and perfectly safe - though a bit quiet. Wembley Central architectually grim and a bit dodgy (but staffed) - Harlesden and Stonebridge Park certainly ones for concern though - and adjacent areas - McDonalds in Harlesden had bullet holes in the ceiling for example.

Station staffing made a huge difference , but the route had excellent live monitered CCTV with great staff and they were first class in watching out for vulnerable passengers and miscreants ......

I remember when LU took over the stations and they were doing the specs for the station works, one of the items of work was “repairs to bullet holes at Harlesden”.

I wouldn’t be surprised South Kenton is a bit less genteel nowadays though, as it sadly the case across London as a whole.

Queens Park to Wembley Central was a pretty grim experience on the Bakerloo Line in the 90s. Less so on Silverlink, perversely the shorter trains probably helped a bit as it meant they were less isolated.

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It does have a rather isolated feel though, either way, a bleak island platform with one way in and out via a grotty subway.

I recall Stonebridge having a bad reputation, the surrounding estates have a rather colourful reputation, or used to anyway.

Stonebridge estate has been redeveloped now I think. There was another dodgy estate somewhere else near one of the stations as well, possibly near Queen’s Park? The whole area is still pretty dodgy though.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

I remember when LU took over the stations and they were doing the specs for the station works, one of the items of work was “repairs to bullet holes at Harlesden”.

I wouldn’t be surprised South Kenton is a bit less genteel nowadays though, as it sadly the case across London as a whole.

Queens Park to Wembley Central was a pretty grim experience on the Bakerloo Line in the 90s. Less so on Silverlink, perversely the shorter trains probably helped a bit as it meant they were less isolated.

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Stonebridge estate has been redeveloped now I think. There was another dodgy estate somewhere else near one of the stations as well, possibly near Queen’s Park? The whole area is still pretty dodgy though.

I wouldn’t be surprised South Kenton is a bit less genteel nowadays though, as it sadly the case across London as a whole.

Queens Park to Wembley Central was a pretty grim experience on the Bakerloo Line in the 90s. Less so on Silverlink, perversely the shorter trains probably helped a bit as it meant they were less isolated.

The Windermere Pub at South Kenton - possibly listed - has some very attractive internal fittings and is well worth a visit. That subway is admittedly grotty , cannot recall any incidents there apart from some Dawin award seeker who decided to climb one of the 25kV gantries on the down fast one windy Winter evening , who was blown onto the up DC lines and electrocuted .......

I mentioned before the 313's were busier off peak than the Bakerloo , particulary evening - as I guess people felt safer in numbers than a virtually empty tube train. (not helped possibly by some key performance indicator that had passenger service mileage as "tick in the box" so that Harrow - Stonebridge very late trains stayed in passenger service for basically no passengers.)

Some lively entertainment venues at both Harrow and inner London occassionally caused rowdy behaviour on the trains.

 

[Russel]

I wouldn’t be surprised South Kenton is a bit less genteel nowadays though, as it sadly the case across London as a whole.

Queens Park to Wembley Central was a pretty grim experience on the Bakerloo Line in the 90s. Less so on Silverlink, perversely the shorter trains probably helped a bit as it meant they were less isolated.

The Windermere Pub at South Kenton - possibly listed - has some very attractive internal fittings and is well worth a visit. That subway is admittedly grotty , cannot recall any incidents there apart from some Dawin award seeker who decided to climb one of the 25kV gantries on the down fast one windy Winter evening , who was blown onto the up DC lines and electrocuted .......

I mentioned before the 313's were busier off peak than the Bakerloo , particulary evening - as I guess people felt safer in numbers than a virtually empty tube train. (not helped possibly by some key performance indicator that had passenger service mileage as "tick in the box" so that Harrow - Stonebridge very late trains stayed in passenger service for basically no passengers.)

Some lively entertainment venues at both Harrow and inner London occassionally caused rowdy behaviour on the trains.

Was there ever much antisocial behaviour / danger to passenger safety on the 313s or Bakerloo back in the days of Silverlink or did it just have a poor reputation due to some of the areas it served?

 

[ChiefPlanner]

Was there ever much antisocial behaviour / danger to passenger safety on the 313s or Bakerloo back in the days of Silverlink or did it just have a poor reputation due to some of the areas it served?

Not excessively on the 313's - for reasons I mentioned before. I organised some reveue checks on board late evening trains one year - with some plain clothed BTP in attendance for insurance - did some checking myself , including the last down DC on a Friday evening - and amazingly virtually all had tickets or passes - one ticketless traveller offered a full can of Guiness as payment ! (which I naturally refused !)

The line had a very poor local reputation , especially compared to the Met and Jubilee lines - part of the North London Line had bigger issues in my opinion , and at one time late evening services on the Watford - St Albans line (from the Watford end !)

Rarely dull moments on the routes !

 

[bramling]

Was there ever much antisocial behaviour / danger to passenger safety on the 313s or Bakerloo back in the days of Silverlink or did it just have a poor reputation due to some of the areas it served?

I’m not sure in terms of data, however the Bakerloo was pretty menacing in the 1990s, and not just late at night, you could find trouble at times you might not readily expect. Plenty of drugged-up psychotic young male types and also some gang types, mainly Queen’s Park to Wembley Central. Likewise the stations on that stretch had a very hostile atmosphere.

As I say, in terms of data I don’t know, but stuff certainly went on, and that was in the days before people carried desirable stuff like smartphones.

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Not excessively on the 313's - for reasons I mentioned before. I organised some reveue checks on board late evening trains one year - with some plain clothed BTP in attendance for insurance - did some checking myself , including the last down DC on a Friday evening - and amazingly virtually all had tickets or passes - one ticketless traveller offered a full can of Guiness as payment ! (which I naturally refused !)

The line had a very poor local reputation , especially compared to the Met and Jubilee lines - part of the North London Line had bigger issues in my opinion , and at one time late evening services on the Watford - St Albans line (from the Watford end !)

Rarely dull moments on the routes !

Out of interest, which part of the NLL had issues? I’m thinking Dalston to Stratford, but could be guessing wrongly!

It’s interesting how times change though. In the 80s the south end of the Northern Line was regarded as highly problematic. Nowadays that’s no more notable than anywhere else, however Golders Green to Edgware is now regarded as a war-zone, and locally Finchley Central and Archway seem to spread trouble onto trains as well.

The other part of the Underground regarded as “dodgy” in the 90s was Barking to Upminster. That doesn’t seem to get much of a mention now, so perhaps is a little better nowadays? It was always the said thing that any LU station staff who upset the management would find themselves with a move to the east end of the District Line!

 

[Recessio]

I used to know the DC line very well from a professional point of view. South Kenton is a very decent 1930's suburb and perfectly safe - though a bit quiet. Wembley Central architectually grim and a bit dodgy (but staffed) - Harlesden and Stonebridge Park certainly ones for concern though - and adjacent areas - McDonalds in Harlesden had bullet holes in the ceiling for example.

Station staffing made a huge difference , but the route had excellent live monitered CCTV with great staff and they were first class in watching out for vulnerable passengers and miscreants ......

I was about to tag you when the DC line was mentioned - as soon as I thought "bleak stations" I thought "ChiefPlanner will have some opinions on this from their days on NLR/Silverlink!"

The line had a very poor local reputation , especially compared to the Met and Jubilee lines - part of the North London Line had bigger issues in my opinion , and at one time late evening services on the Watford - St Albans line (from the Watford end !)

Rarely dull moments on the routes !

I'm too young to remember the pre-Overground days, but I have seen some late 1980s cab ride footage of the NLL in those days. Do you think that back then some of those stations might have qualified for "most bleak station"? Especially the ones down towards the North Woolwich end of the line (though I remember Kentish Town West looking particularly grim in the footage too).

 

[sad1e]

Was there ever much antisocial behaviour / danger to passenger safety on the 313s or Bakerloo back in the days of Silverlink or did it just have a poor reputation due to some of the areas it served?

Never remember hearinng about any incidents happening on the 313's but the 501's were in a very dire state in their latter days ( Think clapped out northern 150 with the graffiti of a 72 TS ).

The worst of the behaviour definitely went on in the 501's as they had isolated passenger compartments so you could end up in the same compartment as some quite unsavoury characters with no way out unit the next stop.

Irrc in their latter days they put some 4EPB's on the DC and North London lines to substitute in for the worst the 501's while 313's were being brought in.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Irrc in their latter days they put some 4EPB's on the DC and North London lines to substitute in for the worst the 501's while 313's were being brought in.

Close, it was 2-EPBs in the 63xx sequence, and it was the North London Line only - I don't ever recall seeing one on the Euston - Watford line.