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SWR outgoing Metro fleet withdrawals (complete)
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CarltonA
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Just saw the scrap movement through Maidenhead, 5713 at the rear.
Big Jumby 74
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Last week the base plan 455 diagrams (25 units in service) as issued from September, that were 455 in reality were, if I am correct, 21 units, ie 10 x 8 car and 1 x 4 car on average. Odd days may have differed due to on the day availability.
Peak hour (only) operation in such running down of a fleet type does not necessarily work that way from a diagramming angle. Peak only diagrams are (in general) designed to get units (of all types) back to depot for maintenance reasons on the day shift, and with limited paths back to depot between the peaks, many of same will be taken up by 458 and 701.
It is likely that towards the end (off 455 operation) the last two pairs will - as an educated guess - start and finish at Wimbledon depot, but more than likely will be in service all day, M to F at least, not just in the peaks.
It might alternatively be the case that if circumstances permit (701 unit and crew trained availability permitting) there might be a mass withdrawal of the last few 455's (again an educated guess, I'm thinking unit numbers in single figures overall) at the same time, whenever that might be?
Sure someone better in the know (in today's world) may be able to give a clue at some point.
Siemens Staines
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I believe that as of today there are 17 booked 455 diagrams. However, in this mornings peak there were 24 455s in service (possibly 25), with the following extras vice other classes;
5719 + 5863 2H01 0529 Wimbledon to Shepperton etc (vice 2*458/5)
5735 + 5864 2M03 0609 Wimbledon to Chessington South etc (vice 701)
5729 + 5849 2H05 0640 Kingston to Shepperton etc (vice 701)
5709 2O05 0600 London Waterloo to London Waterloo etc (vice 701)
2O05 was listed on journeycheck as 8v10 so it is possible that 5709 had a partner that did not show up in the data feed to RTT and hence why there may have been 25 455s in service. Either that or the information on journeycheck was not accurate. Both are equally likely in my opinion.
A fourth 701 diagram was cancelled (2U07/2U14) so that there were 22 701s in passenger service covering their 26 diagrams.
I am happy to be corrected if any of the above is incorrect.
5719 + 5863 2H01 0529 Wimbledon to Shepperton etc (vice 2*458/5)
5735 + 5864 2M03 0609 Wimbledon to Chessington South etc (vice 701)
5729 + 5849 2H05 0640 Kingston to Shepperton etc (vice 701)
5709 2O05 0600 London Waterloo to London Waterloo etc (vice 701)
2O05 was listed on journeycheck as 8v10 so it is possible that 5709 had a partner that did not show up in the data feed to RTT and hence why there may have been 25 455s in service. Either that or the information on journeycheck was not accurate. Both are equally likely in my opinion.
A fourth 701 diagram was cancelled (2U07/2U14) so that there were 22 701s in passenger service covering their 26 diagrams.
I am happy to be corrected if any of the above is incorrect.
WWTownEnth
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A second scrap move this week is rumoured, according a post on the 701 forum
I think they are also the last trains with starting bells, as opposed to more modern electronic beeps. And they are the last trains with the Westinghouse compressors, once fitted to hundreds of EMUs all across the country.
SEtrains
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Correct, either on wed or thurs. no path in yet.
No, original compressors still fitted.
Don’t Electrostars have bells? Or are they electronic bells?
SEtrains
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Path is now up for Wednesday and it is a very noticeable change from the usual path… https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K46650/2025-11-05/detailed
08:24 off of Wimbledon.
I had forgotten them. Most are DOO now. I think you are right. Though whether they are genuine bells or an electronic bell sound, I have no idea.
I heard 458529 might be taken on Wednesday, or am I confusing things?
mansonlo49
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To Long Marston? Or to where?
DBS92042
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The Newport move should be two more 455s
not sure, but I presume Long Marston, although that service is to Newport...
mansonlo49
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I don’t see anything at long Marston just yet, perhaps in a while
ls2270
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455728 and 455731 are the units planned for tomorrow’s scrap move.
CallmeDave
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Today I make it that 11 pairs are in service and one single. This is through a RTT trawl.
Units not out today, if I'm right are 5701,02,05,08,10,24,27,29,34,35,50. 5849,64,70.
I know some have been mentioned as dead (5750, 5870?) yet that's quite alot of units not needed.
I may have missed some of course and feel free to advise of any errors or additions. The 1800 Waterloo circular I can't find allocated which usually means a 458 ?
Units not out today, if I'm right are 5701,02,05,08,10,24,27,29,34,35,50. 5849,64,70.
I know some have been mentioned as dead (5750, 5870?) yet that's quite alot of units not needed.
I may have missed some of course and feel free to advise of any errors or additions. The 1800 Waterloo circular I can't find allocated which usually means a 458 ?
ls2270
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The 1800 2O53 is 701060.
NSEWonderer
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Seen the video. Ignore.
Siemens Staines
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According to the data to supplied to RTT, both units are in service this evening. Currently 5728 is allocated to 2D78 2242 Guildford to London Waterloo and then to stabled at Waterloo CHS. 5731 is allocated to 2F80 2303 Woking to London Waterloo which should then to 1F83 0033 London Waterloo to Guildford and stable Guildford P4. So there will have to be some swapping around if these two are to go for scrap in the morning.
Indeed all of the Electrostar units have bells. The 357 375 376 377 378 379 387 are all fitted with them. They are genuine proper real bells just like the slam door EMUs had. Not electronic bell sounds. So luckily we still have those. You can still hear them on 375 377 387 stock but the 357 376 378 379 are all DOO now.
But it is a shame that all other modern EMUs have beepers or buzzers now. I love hearing the good old fashioned bells.
Also with the 455s and 456s they only have bells in the cabs. The guards panels in the saloon make a beep sound instead.
CallmeDave
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Thanks. I am on 5728 on 1917 to Chessington S, returns 2010. Then allocated 2054 to Guilford and then as you say.
5731 1904 Guildford Waterloo then 2017 Chessington and return 2104. Then 2150 Woking etc.
Will be interesting.
NSEWonderer
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Would make both trains the fastest units to be scrapped after active service?
CallmeDave
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Ah indeed thanks for that. It appears 1757 Waterloo circular is 5729 5849. So that's 2 off my list.
In regard to the 5728 5731 last day conundrum. 5728 is now working the 2054 Waterloo Guildford.
SEtrains
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5728 and 5731 are still in service it seems! They’re allocated today so presumably today’s drag will be the two withdrawn units 5750 and 5870 iirc?
ls2270
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Apologies…that information came from an official document from the last few days so plans clearly changed at a late stage!
CallmeDave
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No worries, perhaps they are Monday's scrap. Today's is an extra after all.