AWC Derailment at Shap Summit 03/11/25

[GW43125]

York is open today. The station was only closed over the weekend.

Closed again next weekend.

 

[RochdalePioneers]

deleted at mods request

 

[M60lad]

Considering Schools have gone back today will this have an effect on what coaches/buses can be sourced to operate Rail Replacement services today?

 

[Retorus]

It’s been quite the start to the month for rail.

 

[westralian]

Glad to hear no reported injuries.

Considering the status as advised in earlier posts (train upright still), what would the general timescale be for the re-opening of the line?

Have tickets booked from Glasgow Central to Manchester Airport on Wednesday as flying out of Manchester Thursday mid-morning. Unsure whether to start making alternative arrangements or not.

 

[Efini92]

does anyone know the severity of the derailment?

Front coach has derailed and came to a stand in the 6ft.

 

[AlterEgo]

Glad to hear no reported injuries.

Considering the status as advised in earlier posts (train upright still), what would the general timescale be for the re-opening of the line?

Have tickets booked from Glasgow Central to Manchester Airport on Wednesday as flying out of Manchester Thursday mid-morning. Unsure whether to start making alternative arrangements or not.

Depends entirely on the condition of the trackwork really.

 

[DynamicSpirit]

Right, if anyone wants to discuss the arrangements when there is disruption of any kind north of Preston then please use/start another thread so we can keep this thread for discussion of the derailment.

thanks

New thread duly started

Is There a Better Way to Deal with WCML Disruption North of Preston

Today's incident of a derailment around Shap (https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/awc-derailment-at-shap-summit-03-11-25.294230/) has once again highlighted an issue on the WCML: As soon as something happens on that section of line, all Avanti and TPE services to Scotland end up getting turned...

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[Jan Mayen]

Has a picture of the derailed train been posted and deleted? Or am I imagining things?

 

[YorkshireBear]

Glad to hear no reported injuries.

Considering the status as advised in earlier posts (train upright still), what would the general timescale be for the re-opening of the line?

Have tickets booked from Glasgow Central to Manchester Airport on Wednesday as flying out of Manchester Thursday mid-morning. Unsure whether to start making alternative arrangements or not.

Depends how much secondary damage there is but I would have a look today at what options for going down ECML to York and across you have. Especially as you are travelling day before flight that should be relatively simple.

 

[karlbbb]

Has a picture of the derailed train been posted and deleted? Or am I imagining things?

It was deleted yes. I believe it was as-yet unverified (although certainly looked like a derailed 390 in a remote location).

 

[Louby]

Has a picture of the derailed train been posted and deleted? Or am I imagining things

Has a picture of the derailed train been posted and deleted? Or am I imagining things?

Yes I posted it but couldn’t verify it as just got sent it ( news travels very fast in mess rooms )

 

[norbitonflyer]

Glad to hear no reported injuries.

Considering the status as advised in earlier posts (train upright still), what would the general timescale be for the re-opening of the line?

Have tickets booked from Glasgow Central to Manchester Airport on Wednesday as flying out of Manchester Thursday mid-morning. Unsure whether to start making alternative arrangements or not.

Tickets currently being accepted via York, and that will presumably continue until the line re-opens - which will hopefully be well within 48 hours anyway.

Incident: Penrith | National Rail

major disruption between Carlisle and Preston. Find details of all current incidents on National Rail Enquiries.

www.nationalrail.co.uk

 

[mike57]

Has a picture of the derailed train been posted and deleted? Or am I imagining things?

I have seen a picture on Facebook but dont want to share as I am not sure of who or how it was taken, however if you search 'North Yorkshire Weather Updates' on Facebook and look in the comments on their latest post you will see it

 

[Jan Mayen]

Yes I posted it but couldn’t verify it as just got sent it ( news travels very fast in mess rooms )

Ok, thank you.

 

[Mike395]

(Yes, sorry about that @Louby - it's just that without it being somewhere online that's attributable, I couldn't 100% verify it was from this incident)

 

[Louby]

(Yes, sorry about that @Louby - it's just that without it being somewhere online that's attributable, I couldn't 100% verify it was from this incident)

I understand

 

[Strathclyder]

Good to hear the train has stayed upright and with no injuries to anyone onboard, though no doubt a bit shaken up.

Has been a very trying couple days on the network, that much is for certain.

NetworkRail Scotland had already applied reduced speed limits on various lines in Scotland with the forecasted rain over Monday and Tuesday. The WCML was one of those routes but I didn't look up the exact location.

I'm not surprised. Been utterly sopping here this past week, even by Western Scotland standards. Last night was particularly bad (even tho I slept through most of it).

 

[D1511]

I have seen a picture on Facebook but dont want to share as I am not sure of who or how it was taken, however if you search 'North Yorkshire Weather Updates' on Facebook and look in the comments on their latest post you will see it

Thanks.
I note the same thread suggests there was an initial problem with the blue lights finding the location........same as Greyrigg. I realise signalling can only identify the location to a certain extent, but surely there must be something in a modern train that records its precise location continuously, and that can be shared with the emergency services at times like these?? Seems ridiculous that they were driving up and down looking for a train.....

 

[The Planner]

Thanks.
I note the same thread suggests there was an initial problem with the blue lights finding the location........same as Greyrigg. I realise signalling can only limit the location to a certain extent, but surely there must be something in a modern train that records its precise location continuously, and that can be shared with the emergency services at times like these?? Seems ridiculous that they're driving up and down looking for a train.....

Its an access point they also need to find. Not just the train.

 

[Warrior2852]

(Yes, sorry about that @Louby - it's just that without it being somewhere online that's attributable, I couldn't 100% verify it was from this incident)

The BBC News live thread is appealing for images now so we may get something there soon.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Back to the actual incident, how fast might the Southbound Avanti have been travelling if it had left Penrith North Lakes at 0559? 80+ m.p.h.? Got to be over thirteen miles from there to the Shap Summit area. Won't have helped also that first light in the Shap area this morning wouldn't have been until at (or around) 0639, so maybe some half an hour after the train collided with whatever it was that was blocking the line at approximately 0610.

 

[karlbbb]

Back to the actual incident, how fast might the Southbound Avanti have been travelling if it had left Penrith North Lakes at 0559? 80+ m.p.h.? Got to be over thirteen miles from there to the Shap Summit area. Won't have helped also that first light in the Shap area this morning wouldn't have been until at (or around) 0639, so maybe some half an hour after the train collided with whatever it was that was blocking the line at approximately 0610.

I believe the limit in that area is 80mph, with no EPS.

 

[Beebman]

RAIL Magazine has posted the image of the derailed front of the train on its website if a reliable source is still required:

https://www.railmagazine.com/news/a...reported-injuries-but-major-incident-declared

(for confirmation, it's the same photo as appears in the post above)

Mod note - yes its OK now - see post # 54

 

[pnepaul]

Given the location, it must be a challenge to move the crew and passengers to a safe location and away.

 

[D1537]

Given the location, it must be a challenge to move the crew and passengers to a safe location and away.

According to the BBC, they have been moved to the Shap Wells Hotel which is very close by.

West Coast Mainline blocked as train derails in Cumbria

Avanti says it could be "a number of days" before normal service between Glasgow and London resumes.

www.bbc.co.uk

James Burrow, who was on the derailed service, said "there was a flash and a bang," before staff quickly informed passengers the train had derailed.

He said he was escorted off the train at 08:50 to go to the nearby Shap Wells Hotel.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Ouch!

Looks like the unit has protected the driver very well there though - pretty much all the fibreglass fairing has gone but the cab and windscreen appear intact albeit a bit bent. They are well built, solid units and it shows!

 

[357]

For those who call modern trains "plastic" - these images are a fine example of what's behind the body panels and why I'd far rather be in this situation in a modern train than something older.

 

[KashmireHawker]

From the British Transport Police:

https://x.com/BTP/status/1985269453332857014?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Officers were called at 6.15am today to reports of a train derailment in near Shap, Cumbria.

Thankfully, there are no reported casualties and passengers have been safely escorted from the train.

Officers remain on scene alongside emergency services responding to the incident.

 

[NorthOxonian]

I'm not surprised. Been utterly sopping here this past week, even by Western Scotland standards. Last night was particularly bad (even tho I slept through most of it).

I just looked at the weather radar over the last 12 hours and it's been pretty much non stop over Cumbria. Looks like the tail end of Hurricane Melissa which is now over the north atlantic and bringing bands of rain across.

According to the BBC live feed, the people who were on the train have been taken to a hotel near Shap and seem to be getting fed and watered. Mustn't be pleasant mind, especially as it would have been pitch black at 6am...