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It could only escape the problems of HS2 if the entire scheme was scrapped and started from a clean sheet of paper though.
Otherwise the same failures of management and design will be present as were present in Phase 1.
Just standing up an alternative delivery apparatus would take many years. They definitely would not want anything to do with the existing apparatus in any form, given how badly it has failed.
Come on, there's clearly efficiencies to be made given the land is mainly purchased and there are designs in place. Phase 2a is far less complicated than Phase 1 so a lot of the issue phasing Phase 1 aren't relevant. There's far less scope for government changing scope. Also the mitigation measures might be able to be reduced without impacting the actual line. There's also scope for efficiency savings through reduced speeds (although that want be huge).
Plenty of HS2s issues arent engineering related too. Its obviously pretty easy to adopt a new procurement strategy and given a decent proportion of the land is owned by the government, ground surveys can be undertaken which de-risks the potential engineering challenges.
The last cost estimate we had for Phase 2A still had it cost £7bn or so. Starting from now I would be very surprirsed if it came in at under £10bn. And remember that Phase 1 outturn costs increased radically in price from the estimates at a similar stage of project development.
Without the full delta I can't see the price of a HS2 concession getting up that high.
The below link suggests £5bn without Euston and 2a and £20bn with it.
https://news.railbusinessdaily.com/...-projects-potential-concession-value-to-20bn/
It is by Highspeed Rail Group so is lobbying but it will at least be prepared by somebody with more expertise on the matter than either of us.However to increase the scope of the network to reach Euston and Crewe would incur a further capital cost of £11.5 billion, whilst raising the potential concession value to as much as £20 billion.
It's not going to be £1 billion a year in subsidy. Given that there's no immediate subsidy or government spending, the bond markets couldn't care less. France uses private finance to subsidise HSR and the world hasn't fallen in. The bond markets are worried about £10s billions a year, not £10s of millions.The bond markets are jumpy enough as it is without attempting to hide a billion pounds a year or more of additional rail subsidy that the government will be committing future governments to for the forseable.