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RMT industrial action 5th - 12 September 2025

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TFL on Twitter ("X") seem to be saying today the Tube is running as normal until 1800, but the TfL Go app seems to be totally contradicting that, with the Bakerloo and Circle lines totally suspended due to strikes, and various other lines part-closed?
 
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TFL on Twitter ("X") seem to be saying today the Tube is running as normal until 1800, but the TfL Go app seems to be totally contradicting that, with the Bakerloo and Circle lines totally suspended due to strikes, and various other lines part-closed?
This is what comes of the modern day PR approach, that you only ever put out anything positive, and gloss over items that are otherwise, regardless of how inaccurate an impression is then given. Positive statements only. Presumably the 'Twitter Team' are indeed graduates of this style, even though they may not know one end of a train from the other.
 

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I commented in an email that one of my local stations was unstaffed all day (there having apparently been no cover on either the early or late shift) and the station was abandoned with the gates open and a sign saying to go to the next station, and how this was not good from (a) a customer service, (b) revenue or (c) security perspective, and the reply was "We are glad to confirm that despite staff shortages we were able to keep the station open"...
The LFB made all stations remove their book swaps because of health and safety concerns, yet open section stations can be left unmanned ALL DAY. The LFB should step in and demand all stations are manned at all times.
 

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The LFB made all stations remove their book swaps because of health and safety concerns, yet open section stations can be left unmanned ALL DAY. The LFB should step in and demand all stations are manned at all times.
Underground stations must be staffed at all times whilst open, overground stations dont have to be, sadly its that way across the country.
 

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This is what comes of the modern day PR approach, that you only ever put out anything positive, and gloss over items that are otherwise, regardless of how inaccurate an impression is then given. Positive statements only. Presumably the 'Twitter Team' are indeed graduates of this style, even though they may not know one end of a train from the other.

TfL did appear to be very reluctant to put out any "bad news" this time around and the comms have been very slow for what is a major piece of industrial action. No doubt there's some politics around this communications style, with a Labour Mayor and a Labour government involved.

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Underground stations must be staffed at all times whilst open, overground stations dont have to be, sadly its that way across the country.

Sub-surface fire regulations essentially. It's the law. And it's law that's directly influenced by the Kings Cross fire in 1987, which of course was on London Underground's watch.
 

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Underground stations must be staffed at all times whilst open, overground stations dont have to be, sadly its that way across the country.
Better terminology would be "Surface" and "Sub-Surface" stations.

This avoids confusing underground/overground with Underground and Overground.
 

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Underground stations must be staffed at all times whilst open, overground stations dont have to be, sadly its that way across the country.
If we're talking overground stations as in from London Overground then they have to be staffed from when it opens to when it closes. This also applies to the surface (open air) stations on the Elizabeth line as a part of the stipulation imposed on them.

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I saw a few buses busy today and I imagine near enough every route in London will be packed tomorrow. God help the bus drivers tomorrow onwards
 

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Yes.

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GWR have said they are planning for the branch will be closed. Without staff there’s no access.
How come? Since the staff that staff the gatelines are striking, and XR aren’t standing in for them?

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The TfL website is saying:

...so I would expect this to be the case on Sunday too - i.e. potentially nothing first thing or last thing. Taking the TfL website at the letter that might be worse case scenario, but personally I'd rather give a "worst-case" based on past strikes than just say 'yes'.

I would certainly expect EL to be running between Abbey Wood and Heathrow normally, just potentially non-stopping the CCOS. Farringdon is definitely a 'priority' station for Ambassadors.
What’s an ‘Ambassador’ in this context?
 

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How come? Since the staff that staff the gatelines are striking, and XR aren’t standing in for them?

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What’s an ‘Ambassador’ in this context?

Why would Elizabeth line staff work at Greenford, where they have absoutely no training or operations or ownership?

West Ealing is open as normal. Regardless the Greenford branch is pretty lightly used generally, although of course people would divert that way on a LU strike. However, I suspect that London Buses could manage that demand, although it might be a tight squeeze with the Northolt / Perivale users too.
 

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Why would Elizabeth line staff work at Greenford, where they have absoutely no training or operations or ownership?

West Ealing is open as normal. Regardless the Greenford branch is pretty lightly used generally, although of course people would divert that way on a LU strike. However, I suspect that London Buses could manage that demand, although it might be a tight squeeze with the Northolt / Perivale users too.
Sorry, if it isn’t clear. I’m obviously referring to Stratford. You said XR staff won’t staff the gatelines when LU are on strike but somehow the station remains open
 

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Sorry, if it isn’t clear. I’m obviously referring to Stratford. You said XR staff won’t staff the gatelines when LU are on strike but somehow the station remains open

I don't think I said that, another user did.

However, having gatelines in operation is not a prerequesite of having a station open; as you will see at plenty of LU and TOC stations on a daily basis. It might be a revenue protection issue, and no doubt some extra Elizabeth line revenue protection staff might be deployed to assist, but the fundamental operations of the station will be fine.
 

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I don't think I said that, another user did.

However, having gatelines in operation is not a prerequesite of having a station open; as you will see at plenty of LU and TOC stations on a daily basis. It might be a revenue protection issue, and no doubt some extra Elizabeth line revenue protection staff might be deployed to assist, but the fundamental operations of the station will be fine.
You are right actually, it was @Mojo that said XR staff aren't staffing Stratford gatelines. I would have assumed, however, since fare evasion is a huge topic currently and TfL is under a lot of pressure; and Stratford is pretty much recognised as a hub for fare evasion that they'd be very reluctant to have the gateline open.

That being said, XR officially manages Stratford but London Underground staff all the gatelines. Anybody know why?
 

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You are right actually, it was @Mojo that said XR staff aren't staffing Stratford gatelines. I would have assumed, however, since fare evasion is a huge topic currently and TfL is under a lot of pressure; and Stratford is pretty much recognised as a hub for fare evasion that they'd be very reluctant to have the gateline open.

Of course they are "reluctant" but there is a strike on, so these things are bound to happen. If there was no impact, there'd be no point to industrial action.
 

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TfL did appear to be very reluctant to put out any "bad news" this time around and the comms have been very slow for what is a major piece of industrial action. No doubt there's some politics around this communications style, with a Labour Mayor and a Labour government involved.
TfL micromanage their communications strategy to within an inch of its life. One of the many examples is banning staff from announcing "there are severe delays due to a signal failure"; they are required to say "...whilst we fix a signal failure".
 

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Its two years to a depot, five years to the line.

Average duty length will be 8.5 hours, max duty length is 9.5. Overtime has to be agreed when booking on, can't be offered or taken once the duty is in progress.

Max driving time will be 4hrs45.

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The 'desire' from the RMT is to give members more quality time away from work, thereby reducing fatigue caused by the extreme shifts that they work. As their members have been (apparently) telling them they are fatigued, it would be a bit counter productive to work a rest day if the 32 hour week comes in.

Weirdly they havent stopped them from doing overtime while on a 37.5 hour week, which would surely go some way to alleviating those concerns.

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Assumption or fact?

And, anyway, it's voluntary.
It's voluntary until somehow it could potentially become permanent. But we'll see. As I said before from reading up on the 4 day week Aslef approved for their trial on the Bakerloo Line if it gets adopted on every line then anyone in the pool or about to enter the grade will get shafted and that's a fact.
 

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Underground stations must be staffed at all times whilst open, overground stations dont have to be, sadly its that way across the country.
Yet part of the commitment of 'fit for the future' was that every station would be staffed from the start to the close of traffic. This is regularly ignored.
 

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Yet part of the commitment of 'fit for the future' was that every station would be staffed from the start to the close of traffic. This is regularly ignored.
Which is a matter for TfL and their employees, but is nothing to do with LFB whose role here is to do with fire.
 

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Which is a matter for TfL and their employees, but is nothing to do with LFB whose role here is to do with fire.
Which is what im getting at. Up here in Merseyrail land supposedly every station is staffed from start to end of service.
The underground stations are always staffed thanks to underground fire regulations, very very rarely though are all the non underground stations staffed all day.
 

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very very rarely though are all the non underground stations staffed all day.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I think you're going to have to produce some numbers on that.

From my own experience whenever I have requested station staff assistance at surface (and sub surface) stations, there's been someone available immediately.
 
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I'll be curious how the RMT handle the media next week since this the first major strikes since Eddie Dempsey became General Secretary. I found that during the NR and TOC strikes, Mick Lynch was good at explaining why they were striking and showing sympathy for affected commuters so hopefully Eddie Dempsey can do the same.
At present it looks like TfL, the Mayor of London and the Government are going to let this strike go ahead and not make any concessions to end it. The dispute is with the RMT only. ASLEF is not involved, nor are any other unions. This probably does not help in convincing the public who may not understand why one union is on strike and the other unions are not.

ASLEF is affiliated to the Labour Party and the Prime Minister and the ASLEF General Secretary both attend meetings of the Labour Party National Executive Committee. The RMT decided not to affiliate to the Labour Party and that is of course a matter for the RMT and RMT members to decide. However it must surely reduce their influence while the country has a Labour Government and London has a Labour Mayor.
 

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At present it looks like TfL, the Mayor of London and the Government are going to let this strike go ahead and not make any concessions to end it. The dispute is with the RMT only. ASLEF is not involved, nor are any other unions. This probably does not help in convincing the public who may not understand why one union is on strike and the other unions are not.

The public don’t need to be convinced of anything - what is clear is that RMT can bring the network to a halt without ASLEF involvement - therefore it’s likely that concessions will be forthcoming to prevent further such action.
 

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The public don’t need to be convinced of anything - what is clear is that RMT can bring the network to a halt without ASLEF involvement - therefore it’s likely that concessions will be forthcoming to prevent further such action.

Doesn’t the RMT represent almost all LU staff (including some train operators?) with ASLEF having limited representation?
 

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Doesn’t the RMT represent almost all LU staff (including some train operators?) with ASLEF having limited representation?

I’ve no idea of the actual numbers, however I’ve always had the impression that LU is very biased towards ASLEF in terms of drivers. There are local variations though, certain depots have a quite noticeable RMT presence / dominance. For other grades it’s heavily RMT but with some TSSA and the occasional ASLEF (ex drivers).
 

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For other grades it’s heavily RMT but with some TSSA and the occasional ASLEF (ex drivers).
Not necessarily just ex-drivers, other grades can be members of ASLEF if in line of promotion to Operator.

ASLEF membership among trainstaff has fallen in recent years at many depots.

Some shuttle services now operating on Central, MET and Northern Lines
 

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I’ve no idea of the actual numbers, however I’ve always had the impression that LU is very biased towards ASLEF in terms of drivers. There are local variations though, certain depots have a quite noticeable RMT presence / dominance. For other grades it’s heavily RMT but with some TSSA and the occasional ASLEF (ex drivers).
Of the drivers, I reckon its roughly even Aslef vs RMT with if anything a slight bias in favour of Aslef. An Aslef ballot from August 2024 of passenger train operators returned 1,487 votes on a 74.6% turnout, which means at the time they must have had circa 1,993 members. A 2018 FoI response said TfL have a total of 3,946 passenger train operators. Obviously these numbers would have changed in the intervening period with one FoI dated 2021 showing quite a few less T/Ops.

What is fair to say however is that the numbers are not particularly evenly split - some lines like the Piccadilly have an above-average proportion of RMT members for instance, whereas the Northern has a higher number of Aslef.
 
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Doesn’t the RMT represent almost all LU staff (including some train operators?) with ASLEF having limited representation?
RMT balloted 10,424 members in the current dispute.

I would agree with the 50/50 assertion for train ops, though perhaps swayed very slightly towards RMT at the moment. So ASLEF representing 2k sounds about right.

Last I heard, none of the 4 unions have accepted the pay offer from LU, but only RMT have started strike action. (This was in response to members concerns regarding the very late payment of the pay increase from the April 2024 pay rise, which I received in March 2025!)
 

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There are a small number of Central line trains rumbling under my house at Mile End today. Are these positioning moves or something like that? I assume there are not a few unadvertised passenger services running?
 

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There are a small number of Central line trains rumbling under my house at Mile End today. Are these positioning moves or something like that? I assume there are not a few unadvertised passenger services running?
Quite likely to be passenger services. If Train Ops turn up, LU will try and run a shuttle service - more for the PR I think than for any actual reason.
 
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