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RMT industrial action 5th - 12 September 2025

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bluegoblin7

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I would recommend planning to use a bus on Sunday and if the Tube is available see it as a bonus.

“Limited service” historically has been shuttle services at the extremities, rather than zone 1.
 
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Indeed I remember on the last strike day checking and seeing services such as Cockfosters - Arnos Grove with no service on the rest of the line (I think) and realising that I'd greatly misunderstood what was meant by limited service before...!

Did talks happen today? Does anyone know if any marginal progress was made or is it looking pretty likely this is going ahead? (I know that talks are ongoing etc but I'm sure I read somewhere that a further discussion was taking place today - sorry if I've misunderstood)
 

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Indeed I remember on the last strike day checking and seeing services such as Cockfosters - Arnos Grove with no service on the rest of the line (I think) and realising that I'd greatly misunderstood what was meant by limited service before...!

It's generally focused around depot points as @bluegoblin7 alludes to, so expect things like you cite above, plus the likes of Hainault trains appearing around the loop towards Leytonstone and back / shuttles on the northern line around Mordon / Golders Green and the like.

Been there many times before and done this dance -- don't bother trying. If the strikes go ahead then just park up at home and wait for it to blow over.
 

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Does anyone know whether Thameslink will be able to call at Farringdon on strike days?
 

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Does anyone know whether Thameslink will be able to call at Farringdon on strike days?
I'm not sure yet, but it might be best to check the official Thameslink service updates closer to the date. They usually provide information about service changes due to industrial action.
 

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Unless Thameslink chose not to stop all day, there is no reason why services can’t stop at Farringdon if the station is open - the Elizabeth line timings would be a good guide to work to imo.
 

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Unless Thameslink chose not to stop all day, there is no reason why services can’t stop at Farringdon if the station is open - the Elizabeth line timings would be a good guide to work to imo.
And, if Thameslink don't stop there, City Thameslink (Holborn Viaduct entrance) is a very short walk from Farringdon.
 

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Did talks happen today? Does anyone know if any marginal progress was made or is it looking pretty likely this is going ahead?
Talks happened yesterday and again today. No progress yesterday (same percentage offer, refusal of 4 day week with reduced hours, and no movement on the promised Priv from 2023) and no report from today yet.

Nobody can really predict the outcome with regards the strikes this time - if I recall correctly, last time there was 1 day of strike action and then a deal was made.
 

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And, if Thameslink don't stop there, City Thameslink (Holborn Viaduct entrance) is a very short walk from Farringdon.
Is Thameslink open on Sunday?
Talks happened yesterday and again today. No progress yesterday (same percentage offer, refusal of 4 day week with reduced hours, and no movement on the promised Priv from 2023) and no report from today yet.

What did they want regarding priv?
 

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If they can resource extra staff to run the buses, then maybe. But if the drivers are sympathetic to the cause - amongst many other reasons - they may not be willing to do the OT/RDW.
Driving a bus on a strike day would not be fun, so I wouldn't expect many volunteers for overtime. I had the misfortune to use a bus on a strike day three years ago. Two hours to do five miles. The first half hour was spent squashed up against the windscreen. The driver was very close to breaking point and exclaimed "oh for f**** sake" at one stop where people would not stand clear of the doors. If it hadn't been raining, I would have walked.
 

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I am reliably informed one thing that could get this strike called off is some movement on leisure travel benefits for London Underground workers. Can anybody in the know shed some light on why the Rail Delivery Group are so unwilling to budge on this? The downsides appear to be minimal, no?

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Does anyone know whether stations with mixed Underground/NR staffing are likely to remain open, for example Finsbury Park or Walthamstow Central? I'm guessing yes for the NR parts but will Underground barrier lines just be left open, or will those entrances be closed?
I live in the Islington area and most staff that turn up to work are sent to Highbury & Islington or Blackhorse Road to keep those stations open. They take priority because of the Overground/National Rail services running through them. Finsbury Park's Underground and National Rail stations can be separated, so there is no need for LU staff to work there.
 
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Can anybody in the know shed some light on why the Rail Delivery Group are so unwilling to budge on this? The downsides appear to be minimal, no?
According to unions TfL were been asked to do some things first before it was to be considered as an item by RDG. The question would be why has it taken so long?
 

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According to unions TfL were been asked to do some things first before it was to be considered as an item by RDG. The question would be why has it taken so long?
TfL are speaking as if it is undeliverable, which also begs the question what the RDG asked them to do.
 

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Both RMT and ASLEF wish that all post-1 April 1996 LU employees gain PRIV Authority as pre-1996 staff did.
Which would most likely require LU to allow NR PRIVs on a reciprocal basis, which they might not be too keen on...
 

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Driving a bus on a strike day would not be fun, so I wouldn't expect many volunteers for overtime. I had the misfortune to use a bus on a strike day three years ago. Two hours to do five miles. The first half hour was spent squashed up against the windscreen. The driver was very close to breaking point and exclaimed "oh for f**** sake" at one stop where people would not stand clear of the doors. If it hadn't been raining, I would have walked.
It is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy, though. If you tell people to take bus services, and then don't augment them, then yes it is going to be hellish for passengers and drivers alike.
 

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There's a planned engineering works on the Central Line this weekend, that should add to the confusion, as there'll be Rail Replacement Buses booked!
 

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It is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy, though. If you tell people to take bus services, and then don't augment them, then yes it is going to be hellish for passengers and drivers alike.
No one told me to take the bus. It was either that or get wet. I was up in London on a two day bashing trip and somehow I was oblivious to the strike until I saw notices on the underground on the first day of the trip. There was no chance of getting on the 205 at Liverpool Street. I walked to the previous stop, along with many other people, and just squeezed on. The people that stayed put had no hope.
 

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Which would most likely require LU to allow NR PRIVs on a reciprocal basis, which they might not be too keen on...
Why not? Surely the financials are negligible in the grand scheme. And I was under the impression PRIV's could already be added to Oyster cards.
 

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Not including any pay disputes, is there a summary anywhere of what the conditions/issues are that RMT/Aslef are in dispute over?
 

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That's one way to live in the past...

IMO it’s a reasonable thing to request. If TFL are claiming there’s no money for other things, this is something which ought to be negotiable as a reciprocal arrangement and be essentially cost-neutral. If heritage railways can have it then one sees no reason why TFL can’t.

The whole staff travel thing has been a bit of a sore point between post-96 and pre-96 TFL staff, and to some extent between TFL and mainline staff as well. So sorting this would hopefully improve working relationships all round, as well as provide something useful to staff.

One assumes any arrangement would be reciprocal.
 

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Not including any pay disputes, is there a summary anywhere of what the conditions/issues are that RMT/Aslef are in dispute over?
ASLEF are not currently in dispute.

- removal of pay bands, collective bargaining for all staff
- PRIV entitlement
- Boxing Day working payment for all staff (currently £783 for T/Ops)
- fatigue and extreme shift working.
-pay parity for Operational Managers Ruislip

LU are proposing a 35hr 4-day week for trainstaff, and ASLEF are currently working with management to achieve this. RMT have rejected the proposals.
 
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Does anybody have any experience of the Greenford National Rail branch during Underground strikes. Do they normally keep Geenford open to service the trains to West Ealing. I have to get to Denmark Hill on Thursday morning 11 Sept by 1115 and am planning Greenford depart 0915, West Ealing, Farringdon, then Thameslink to Denmark Hill.
 

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The Greenford branch should be unaffected, except for very early and late on Monday and Wednesday, as the station is above ground and does not require staff to be present, aside for opening or closing. There would however likely be no step-free access.
 
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