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CAF class 197 Civity for TfW: News and updates on introduction.
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tfw756rider
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That definitely at least used to be the case, and that's why there were all those mentions of it in the "TfW language policy" thread.
150242 covering for a 197 today on the Swanline that stays in Swansea for a large part of the day before forming the 1629 to Cardiff and then 1745 Cardiff to Milford Haven.
197 availability seems to have been better recently (helped by no services running the Cheltenham) so it was surprising to see this today.
197 availability seems to have been better recently (helped by no services running the Cheltenham) so it was surprising to see this today.
BenBracken
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150208 spotted in Tenby today, presumably covering a 197 diagram. It all went to pot on west Wales services today due to a track fault near Abergavenny, so I’m not surprised substitutions were made!
looks like that one will end in Carmarthen tonight so likely to be on something heading towards Cardiff tomorrow.
simonmpoulton
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So TFW never sent a 197 to TGG then? Guessing that's because 197120 had a broken headlight?
tfw756rider
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Correct, and apparently some of my fellow "modern train fans" were "disappointed" by this
(although to be fair, perhaps they hadn't been around any of the "Welsh" trains, whereas I've travelled on 45 197s).However, judging by the way the 398 was "dumped" there, the 197 wouldn't have necessarily got a better treatment than that anyway.
Lewisham2221
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Correct, and apparently some of my fellow "modern train fans" were "disappointed" by this
However, judging by the way the 398 was "dumped" there, the 197 wouldn't have necessarily got a better treatment than that anyway.
My understanding is that 197120 was never supposed to be going and the announcement that it would be caused quite a stir... The broken headlight was coincidental and unrelated to it's non- attendance.
wythallpaul
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197033 Re-awakens from it's slumbers today. Currently working 5T33 according to RTT.
Kite159
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RTT is suggesting it was on 5H80 (0627 Chester D.M.U.D. to Chester) this morning which would suggest it attached to
1H80 0454 Holyhead to Manchester Airport (as both used platform 4) however RTT is only saying that service is 197102 throughout
Ive been waiting ages to get that one! It doesnt seem to be coming to South Wales today however.
nigelsporne
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Two Cambrian 197s, 027 and 035, on the Shrewsbury to International diagram this morning. Getting some route learning before they start!
No, it didn't do that. On Traksy it was labelled 'unidentified 197' at Chester, and sat at the un-numbered platform opposite platform 1 before returning to the depot. Then it came out to play again and joined 197123 on 1H90.
Pep and co
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Is 197038 sticking out of the north end of Crewe Carriage Shed today (9/8)?
Many Thanks in advance if anyone can confirm
Many Thanks in advance if anyone can confirm
Jacob Porrett
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197025 is the newest 197 on depot at the moment. Don't know about your question however.
RacsoMoquette
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Is unfortunate to think that modern trains can sometime feel so retrograde compared to the Class 175s they replaced. Although they had their troubles, a lot of effort went in to the design, such as “acoustic ceiling noise absorbing panels” and considerable work of “Ride Smoothness” all those novelties seemed numbed down on the latest CAF TFW stock! Back then FNW were proud of their comfortable new French built trains. Does TFW hold the same pride for the 197s? I recently purchased a 2000 edition of RAIL magazine hence the specialist information used.
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Also what are the reliability problems the TFW 197s are experiencing? TFW have very recently started taking matters with CAF and Stadler, presumably for poor availability and delivery?
victormildrew
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Not kept up to date with this thread. Are all the 197 stock for the Cambrian ready to go?.
Peter Sarf
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No, up to ten 197/0s for Cambrian not ready..
Some are still at CAF - 197025, 197040 & 197041.
The rest are on test or languishing mid acceptance (the best I can describe).
These seem to be 197023, 197025, 197026, 197032, 1970037 & 197038 mainly Crewe South Yard aiui.
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tfw756rider
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As I understand it, the following 4 ETCS-fitted 197s have been in service "off-Cambrian", but have not been on test on the Cambrian (or at least I don't know that they have):
197022, 197027, 197028, 197034
The following 7 have been in service "off-Cambrian" and have been on test on the Cambrian:
197003, 197024, 197031, 197033, 197029, 197030, 197035
The following 2 haven't been in service anywhere, but have been on test on the Cambrian:
197032, 197038
So 13 (of the 21) have been in service "off-Cambrian" (11) and/or have been on test on the Cambrian (9).
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That leaves 8 that to my knowledge haven't been in service "off-Cambrian" and haven't been on test on the Cambrian either.
Of these, @Jacob Porrett has said that he's had the following 5 in at Crewe depot:
197023, 197025, 197026, 197036, 197037
And the following 3 are understood to have not yet been delivered:
197039, 197040, 197041
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victormildrew
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Thanks for the info.
Jacob Porrett
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197025 has been on test recently from Crewe South Yard to Holyhead and Chester.
tfw756rider
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Welcome
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Thanks Jacob
Have any of 197023/026/036/037 done any running?
Jacob Porrett
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Yeah they have.Welcome
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Thanks Jacob
tfw756rider
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All 4?
Jacob Porrett
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Yeah because I've cleaned them at work over the past year.
tfw756rider
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Thanks
Jacob Porrett
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I know we've had 197s on the Salop Line for a while now but when will the next 158 diagram change to a 197 please?
Is that the most cambrian 197s in service on any given day? Are a lot of the others out of service with faults?
Theres never been 6 before, it always was 4 out of service at any point.
From the Non-ERTMS fleet 197004 and 197110 are long stored and Im led to believe quite heavily stripped and 197012 which has now been at Holyhead for over a month.