paravostok
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I used to pray for days like these. Can you go into any specifics?
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overthewater
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I dare say we will have to wait until next week for the full details, I'm starting to wonder if they 73 will do both Livingston Village and Armadale. Either way it sounds like were getting some improvements.
TheEastCoaster
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Well hopefully it won't be late into next week, but I do agree so far it sounds like improvements, and to be fair if the X27/X28 to get lesser stops than it's not the end of the world I suppose, maybe the X18/X19 will follow suite in the Maybury area.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Lothian Country, the 72 getting cut back to Winchburgh is not a deal breaker, worse case scenario anyone can transfer over to an X19 and carry on the journey, assuming the X19 will survive the next service change!
Wonder if the 70/71 will see some changes?
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This is probably the best news for West Lothian regulars
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Lothianbus703
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905 plus I presume 906 Have been given "harlequin" style Lothian destination screens - this is a nice nod to the past and it was nice to see someone take the time to implement this into their destination screens. I had to do some edits from a video I took of the front to minimise the flicker of the LED's
stevenedin
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Looks great. It would be nice if these 2 were preserved one day and put back into their harlequin livery with roller blinds as well.
TheEastCoaster
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We can only hope, at least every half hour for each of the local services.
As an outsider what is/was 'Harlequin ' style destination screens
LothianBusesPh
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72 is the only one getting an increase and it won’t be as frequent as half an hour.
TheEastCoaster
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40 minute frequency I presume, sounds about right! Any word if any of these services will have evening journeys or anything later than 8pm?
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Festival wrecking its usual havoc. been waiting in Gilmerton on a 3 for 20 minutes only for one to pass empty and one only part route to Cameron Toll. Petition to ban tourists using the bus in August!
overthewater
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This is starting to sound like a fudge.. there will be NO increase in PVR.
FlybeDash8Q400
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How? It’d be 6 if every 40 minutes.
An increase of 2 buses needed suggests that 464-465 will be the two to move across as extra.
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This is lovely, and shows that someone took the time indeed. Would also love to see one of these preserved one day.
On a different topic, have the new luggage racks on 601-615 removed a pair of seats, and would that make them H49/33F rather than H49/35F? Haven't paid enough attention when actually onboard since they got the racks.
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TheEastCoaster
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It could be every 40 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime and hourly Sunday and evenings.
FlybeDash8Q400
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I think this is fairly likely. The Kirkliston section is just removed purely due to increase reliability. It should remain a 4 hour circuit, however with the 20 minutes or so gained back used to increase the running time on what’s left and also to increase the layover at each end.
I’m not sure how a terminus in Winchburgh might work. The M9 stopping point that the X19 uses is not really suitable at all as it’s not even a bus stop, but rather just a bit of road with enough space to stop at and for vehicles to go around the ‘parked’ bus.
overthewater
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I have to get a paper and pencil out to work this out. I can't disagree what been said with the No72, I wonder if they will try for a one way loop around Winchburgh with a min layover?
The big question will be if the No73 is going to Armadale or will it be a brand new route? Either way It's going to be a VERY LONG slog to get the network but to being half decent.
The big question will be if the No73 is going to Armadale or will it be a brand new route? Either way It's going to be a VERY LONG slog to get the network but to being half decent.
It could quite feasibly just terminate at The High Schools/Xcite Hub. A big turning circle and plenty of place to rest.
FlybeDash8Q400
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It could, but I feel like that would result in it missing half of Winchburgh out though? Which half depends which way you sent it.
I’d suggest a small one way loop involving Shale Road, Main Street and back up Beatlie Road may be an option.
Could turn left at Tally Ho, then turn right at Sainsbury’s and go past The Marina then left down to the Hub from there. That would cover most of Winchburgh and would be closer to a bus stop than Lothian Country give a lot of West Lothian.
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How busy are the X27/X28 north of Livingston Centre? And how busy is the 72 west of Livi Centre? And how busy are the X27/X28 east of Livi Centre?
If Livi - Sighthill - Edinburgh needs an increase you could increase X27 to every half an hour on the current route. X28 Armadale - Whitburn - Seafield - Livi Village - Livi Centre - Kirknewton - Edinburgh every hour would give Armadale their direct link to Livi and give Blackburn and Seafield a direct Edinburgh service again. X74 Whitburn - Fauldhouse - West Calder - Livi - Kirknewton - Edinburgh every hour, which would also give those towns a direct link again. 72 increase to every 30 minutes if needed but cut back to Eliburn. Drawbacks would be Livi - Craigshill - Bathgate goes down to every 30 minutes and loses its direct bus to Kirknewton. But Livi - Edinburgh increases slightly and the A71 and A705 corridors get back a direct Edinburgh service.
Alternatively you could scrap the 72 east of Livi and extend every second X19 over its current route to Livi - so Kirkliston keeps its direct Livi service, Kirkliston to Winchburgh is more efficient in reduced number of buses but no destinations lost, remaining 72 is much shorter so less delays. If people from Haymarket - Corstorphine - Ratho Station are happy sitting on a slow bus then they've got their direct service to Livi back again as well.
If Livi - Sighthill - Edinburgh needs an increase you could increase X27 to every half an hour on the current route. X28 Armadale - Whitburn - Seafield - Livi Village - Livi Centre - Kirknewton - Edinburgh every hour would give Armadale their direct link to Livi and give Blackburn and Seafield a direct Edinburgh service again. X74 Whitburn - Fauldhouse - West Calder - Livi - Kirknewton - Edinburgh every hour, which would also give those towns a direct link again. 72 increase to every 30 minutes if needed but cut back to Eliburn. Drawbacks would be Livi - Craigshill - Bathgate goes down to every 30 minutes and loses its direct bus to Kirknewton. But Livi - Edinburgh increases slightly and the A71 and A705 corridors get back a direct Edinburgh service.
Alternatively you could scrap the 72 east of Livi and extend every second X19 over its current route to Livi - so Kirkliston keeps its direct Livi service, Kirkliston to Winchburgh is more efficient in reduced number of buses but no destinations lost, remaining 72 is much shorter so less delays. If people from Haymarket - Corstorphine - Ratho Station are happy sitting on a slow bus then they've got their direct service to Livi back again as well.
GusB
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It refers to the pattern used on the "Harlequin" livery that was used for low-floor buses when they were first introduced. The livery was then phased out in favour of madder and white again once the whole fleet was low-floor.
See this image of Volvo B7TL/Wright Gemini:
Harlequin Heritage (701)
Lothian Buses Wright Gemini Volvo B7TL SN55 BJX (701) on display at the Scottish Vintage Bus Museum's Open Day. 701 has recently received Lothian's Harlequin livery as part of the company's centenary. The Harlequin livery was introduced in 1999 to represent low floor, accessible buses. In 2010...
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overthewater
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Kirkliston already has a direct service to Livingston with Stagecoach X51 which is also a lot faster. I dare say the passengers voted with their feet for the more direct service.
Unfortunately it doesn’t serve St John’s.
There’s no way you can cut the Bathgate - Livingston via Craigshill section to half hourly, it’s far too busy. I’d even go as far as to say that, outside of the peaks, it’s busier than the Livingston to Edinburgh section.
Have you posted the video anywhere?
stevenedin
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I agree. They should leave the X27 and X28 as they are as they work. Any tinkering with them will only put off more passengers.
TheEastCoaster
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Only time will tell, guess we just have to wait untill Monday to hear something hopefully.
Lothianbus703
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It was just a 10 second clip to get the frames of the dest, do you want it?
Resuwen
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What vehicle movements/withdrawals do we expect when 751-798 come on stream?
LothianLover88
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I'd say the Ex-Londons (1000-1032 & 1141-1153).