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Introduction of European Entry-Exit Scheme (EES)

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will we eventually only have to show our iris and fingerprint instead of our passport even though we would probably still have to carry one?
EES does not use "irises", it's a fingerprint and photo. I suppose these could be matched if desired. But as you say, you'd still need to carry your passport.

The UK did once have an iris recognition system for immigration control, but it was killed off in 2013 after the technology behind it reached end of life, and at that stage most people had e-passports so were able to use the then new e-passport gates.
 
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The Independent reports that a new date has been set for the launch of EES which will see a phased introduction from 12 October this year through to April 2026.


Europe’s much-delayed entry-exit system (EES) will begin to apply to some travellers from the UK to the EU on 12 October this year.

The scheme will connect all Schengen area frontiers to a central database. The aim is to digitise border crossings so that the comings and goings of non-EU citizens can be more closely monitored. It will help to identify suspected criminals, and to police the limit on stays of 90 days in any 180 days, which applies to UK citizens and travellers of other nationalities.
It reports that during this phased introduction lasting until 10 April 2026, customers at compatible airports will not only have to register for biometrics but will still get stamps.

As previously discussed, Etias is still expected to launch in the last quarter of 2026, but the fee will increase from the previously advertised EUR7, to EUR20 for three years, which is roughly £16.75 at today’s exchange rates, compared with the UK’s ETA which is £16 but only for two years.
 

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The Independent reports that a new date has been set for the launch of EES which will see a phased introduction from 12 October this year through to April 2026.
I was expecting news like this given that the old plan was to introduce the EES this October, and that the corresponding EU website said that more details would follow "several months prior", which obviously didn't happen so far.
 

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I wonder if EES and ETIAS are actually going to be introduced on these new confirmed dates or if it will get pushed back further. The introduction has been delayed and pushed back at least five times so i do not really trust any of these new confirmed dates.

It is such a backwards step to introduce this ETIAS visa. I can understand the EES as this makes keeping records easier. At least with EES they can quickly and easily know how long you have spent (and how many days you have used up) without spending a couple minutes looking through stamps and counting dates. But this ETIAS visa thing is such a backwards step. If i was them i would just introduce EES and scrap the ETIAS plans.

It seems like the whole world is going backwards and making travel more difficult. You used to need visas for so many countries and then more and more have become visa free over the past couple decades and now they are bringing back visas but just calling them a different name. UK ETA, Schengen ETIAS, USA ESTA, Canada ETA, Australia ETA, Australia Evisitor, New Zealand NZETA, South Korea KETA, Kenya ETA, are just some examples. It is certainly not good for tourism as less tourists will visit the Schengen area now that they have the added complexity and cost of getting an ETIAS visa.

Also if you do not have a bank account or you do not have internet access than you are unable to get an ETIAS visa. Your only option will be to go to one of the Schengen countries embassies and apply for a full Schengen tourist visa. But this is far more expensive and far more time consuming. So in my view the ETIAS visa is also rather discriminatory.
 

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Etias is still expected to launch in the last quarter of 2026, but the fee will increase from the previously advertised EUR7, to EUR20 for three years, which is roughly £16.75 at today’s exchange rates, compared with the UK’s ETA which is £16 but only for two years.

The UK's ETA is actually approximately £16.60 because the payment system does not allow applicants to pay in GBP, but forces a DCC exchange rate to another currency which is determined by the country you state you are applying from.

You can get the system to let you pay in GBP, but only by falsely (in most cases) stating that you are applying from the UK or Gibraltar.

It is such a backwards step to introduce this ETIAS visa.... It is certainly not good for tourism as less tourists will visit the Schengen area now that they have the added complexity and cost of getting an ETIAS visa.

I am sympathetic to your view however I believe this view is in the minority. The majority of people are completely unbothered by having to spend time and money on this additional step before visiting other countries and it does not deter them.

I know of various people who immediately applied for the UK ETA (at the time £10-ish) as soon as it went live *just in case* they happened to make an as yet unplanned trip to the UK; some of these people then ridiculed others after the price went up, even though some of them may not even use their ETA once during its validity period.
 

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This week I'm in the process of renewing my passport which had over 12 months left, simply so I won't have to go through these procedures twice within a year, once this October and again next October when I should have been getting my next passport.

Have a feeling that there will be heavy queues and delays entering Europe as we do this, even next year before it's all fully implemented and everyone in the system.

So hopefully only have to do it all once, 2025, and again in 2028 when my new passport will be only 3 years old.

Think it all works like that?

Wonder how many in the queues to give their biometrics will wish to turn the clock back 10 years when we were all waved through with barely a glance?
 

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I went through very lengthy queues at US customs a couple of years ago when biometrics was just being introduced. Very tiring at the time, but now the US DHS has my biometric details, I've been 'waved' through with little hassle. Same for Canada.
 

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I went through very lengthy queues at US customs a couple of years ago when biometrics was just being introduced. Very tiring at the time, but now the US DHS has my biometric details, I've been 'waved' through with little hassle. Same for Canada.
Think that's the idea in the long term. Just wondering though whether more will attempt to enter the EU/EEA in one month than the US when they introduced bios, and whether it can cope.

That being said, I understand initially only a few from every flight will be "targeted" (10%?) which will increase over time which means a higher percentage processed next summer - holiday season!

If my new passport arrives safely (!) I may be one of the first to go through this as I often go away in October before half term.
 

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I wonder if EES and ETIAS are actually going to be introduced on these new confirmed dates or if it will get pushed back further. The introduction has been delayed and pushed back at least five times so i do not really trust any of these new confirmed dates.

It is such a backwards step to introduce this ETIAS visa. I can understand the EES as this makes keeping records easier. At least with EES they can quickly and easily know how long you have spent (and how many days you have used up) without spending a couple minutes looking through stamps and counting dates. But this ETIAS visa thing is such a backwards step. If i was them i would just introduce EES and scrap the ETIAS plans.

It seems like the whole world is going backwards and making travel more difficult. You used to need visas for so many countries and then more and more have become visa free over the past couple decades and now they are bringing back visas but just calling them a different name. UK ETA, Schengen ETIAS, USA ESTA, Canada ETA, Australia ETA, Australia Evisitor, New Zealand NZETA, South Korea KETA, Kenya ETA, are just some examples. It is certainly not good for tourism as less tourists will visit the Schengen area now that they have the added complexity and cost of getting an ETIAS visa.

Also if you do not have a bank account or you do not have internet access than you are unable to get an ETIAS visa. Your only option will be to go to one of the Schengen countries embassies and apply for a full Schengen tourist visa. But this is far more expensive and far more time consuming. So in my view the ETIAS visa is also rather discriminatory.
Id say if you don't have a bank account or Internet access you're unlikely to be going anyway
 

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It seems like the whole world is going backwards and making travel more difficult. You used to need visas for so many countries and then more and more have become visa free over the past couple decades and now they are bringing back visas but just calling them a different name
Because that's an easy cashgrab with an intelligence benefit. That is also currently politically popular in most countries.
 
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So in my view the ETIAS visa is also rather discriminatory.
To be fair, discriminating against third countries is kind of the entire point. The security benefits accrue mostly to Schengen member states, the costs fall largely to third country visitors. That's kind of the raison d'etre of the EU.
 

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My wife and I will be going to Italy at the beginning of October and returning to the UK at the end of November/beginning of December. As we will be going before the introduction of the EES, how do we stand for the return journey?
 

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My wife and I will be going to Italy at the beginning of October and returning to the UK at the end of November/beginning of December. As we will be going before the introduction of the EES, how do we stand for the return journey?
Very likely he same as now, your passport will be stamped at the airport or port of departure in Italy as you return as happens now. It's possible they may check the entry date to confirm you arrived outside EES times!
 

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Very likely he same as now, your passport will be stamped at the airport or port of departure in Italy as you return as happens now. It's possible they may check the entry date to confirm you arrived outside EES times!
Thanks. We'll be travelling by train, so the passport stamping will take place at Gare du Nord prior to boarding Eurostar. Presumably we'll then have to sort out the biometrics and fingerprints on our next outward journey in the Spring....unless some facility is provided to sort it in advance before travelling.
 

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Thanks. We'll be travelling by train, so the passport stamping will take place at Gare du Nord prior to boarding Eurostar. Presumably we'll then have to sort out the biometrics and fingerprints on our next outward journey in the Spring....unless some facility is provided to sort it in advance before travelling.
Yes, there may be an app, or places outside ports to do that in advance - I think provision will be made at St Pancras away from the Eurostar entry to do this procedure - can anyone confirm?
 

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Yes, there may be an app, or places outside ports to do that in advance - I think provision will be made at St Pancras away from the Eurostar entry to do this procedure - can anyone confirm?
Would be great if that was the case and if anyone can confirm! Might be a useful “hack” to get registered before flying.
 

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Would be great if that was the case and if anyone can confirm! Might be a useful “hack” to get registered before flying.
I also wonder if the facility at St Pancras will be for those only with tickets for that day, or whether anyone can turn up at any time and get processed? Got a feeling it must be the former or hundreds could turn up on top of those travelling?
 

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I also wonder if the facility at St Pancras will be for those only with tickets for that day, or whether anyone can turn up at any time and get processed? Got a feeling it must be the former or hundreds could turn up on top of those travelling?
It would have to be for travellers on the day only, because passport and frontier formalities take place after you have passed through the ticket barriers and security....unless, of course, they set up a temporary booth on the concourse, which I think is highly unlikely because of financial and space considerations.
 

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It would have to be for travellers on the day only, because passport and frontier formalities take place after you have passed through the ticket barriers and security....unless, of course, they set up a temporary booth on the concourse, which I think is highly unlikely because of financial and space considerations.
The Eurostar (for Agents) website has a page dedicated to EES, though it may be out of date.

Registration is free and can only be completed on the day of travel in the station.

How will the EES process work for Eurostar?

At London St Pancras International and Paris Gare du Nord, travellers will need to use self-service pre-registration kiosks before going through the ticket gates. Kiosks will be located in three areas at London St Pancras and at the entrance to the departures area on the Eurostar mezzanine in Paris Gare du Nord. Detailed maps will be shared closer to the launch date.
I haven't been through St Pancras in the last 2 weeks, so not sure if there are any new kiosks.
 

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To be fair, discriminating against third countries is kind of the entire point. The security benefits accrue mostly to Schengen member states, the costs fall largely to third country visitors. That's kind of the raison d'etre of the EU.
The UK is, of course, doing pretty much the same in reverse.
 

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The UK is, of course, doing pretty much the same in reverse.

Except British citizens don't get any benefits as we have to queue up with everyone else who is e-gate eligible, and if we get rejected (or have young kids) then we have to wait behind the rejected Americans and Europeans who are getting interrogated by UKBF.

Last entry to the UK at LHR with my son, waited almost 30 minutes because the 2 officers allocated to our queue were occupied with some Spanish guy who had the wrong documents and some American who had the wrong visa. Once these were done the 8 or so British families ahead of us whizzed through and so did we.
 

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It would have to be for travellers on the day only, because passport and frontier formalities take place after you have passed through the ticket barriers and security....unless, of course, they set up a temporary booth on the concourse, which I think is highly unlikely because of financial and space considerations.
At London St Pancras International and Paris Gare du Nord, travellers will need to use self-service pre-registration kiosks before going through the ticket gates. Kiosks will be located in three areas at London St Pancras and at the entrance to the departures area on the Eurostar mezzanine in Paris Gare du Nord. Detailed maps will be shared closer to the launch date.

 

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Also if you do not have a bank account or you do not have internet access than you are unable to get an ETIAS visa.
I struggle to believe that there's anyone who travels internationally who doesn't have a bank account. I also struggle to believe there will be any who can't access the internet who travel abroad.

I'm not really a fan of putting additional barriers in place to international travel but let's not use ridiculous hypotheticals.
 

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This post on Headforpoints suggests that indeed you won't be able to complete EES registration in advance - only on the day of travel. It also suggests that you will have to use the EES booths on every visit to Schengen - not just the first time.

The first time will be to register, but on subsequent visits you'll need to do it to get permission to progress to the e-gates. Eventually, this step might be replaced by an app for already-registered travellers. (I wonder if that has anything to do with the iProov trial they ran? Probably not)

 

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I struggle to believe that there's anyone who travels internationally who doesn't have a bank account. I also struggle to believe there will be any who can't access the internet who travel abroad.
Indeed - the only places where it’s really imaginable are where there are land borders and most of the Schengen area’s land borders are in one way or another pretty contentious and unlikely to have much legitimate local cross border regular travel of the “just going to buy some eggs” variety.
 

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I struggle to believe that there's anyone who travels internationally who doesn't have a bank account. I also struggle to believe there will be any who can't access the internet who travel abroad.

I'm not really a fan of putting additional barriers in place to international travel but let's not use ridiculous hypotheticals.
It is low but not zero. There are definitely some people in the UK without a bank account who travel abroad and some people in the UK who do not know how to use the internet who travel abroad. These people do exist and just be because it is a tiny percentage it should not be forgotten about.

But the biggest issue will be people from other ETIAS eligible countries (Albania, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Georgia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, Serbia) who wish to visit the Schengen area. These countries have much higher amount of people crossing the border and they all have far more people than than the UK without bank accounts and even some without internet access. For example there is a large amount of local cross border traffic between Moldova and Romania but there are still quite sizeable amount of people in Moldova with no bank account. Similarly there is a large amount of local cross border traffic between Bosnia & Herzegovina and Croatia but there are still quite a sizeable amount of people in Bosnia & Herzegovina without a bank account. So it will definitely create a large amount of issues at these borders.

They should at the very least allow you to apply for an ETIAS in person and pay with cash. At the moment these people will be forced to go to an embassy and get a very expensive and time consuming full Schengen tourist visa. Surely they could have some offices at border points or in major cities or even just use embassies to enable people to quickly apply for an ETIAS visa in person.

Or even better why not restrict ETIAS to air travel only. That is what Canada and the USA both do. They require an ETA visa (Canada) or an ESTA visa (USA) for air travel but allow full visa free travel by land. That would simplify things especially as those without bank accounts and without internet access will probably cross by land.
 

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Presumably the bank account issue is “lack access to anyone with a bank account”, which lowers the number of people for whom it will make things difficult somewhat. To be perfectly honest, given concerns about money laundering and smuggling, I think any country is perfectly justified in refusing normal entry (note - not asylum claim) to anyone not prepared to open a bank account and/or get themselves internet access somehow.
I also imagine that at very local level (old Mrs what’s it popping across to see her daughter) things will proceed as before and Mrs What’s it’s hooch will continue to work its magic!
 

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At the moment these people will be forced to go to an embassy and get a very expensive and time consuming full Schengen tourist visa.
I would've thought it more likely that a friend or relative will do it for them? Or even a (very unofficial, but not necessarily bad) travel agent or ETIAS service.

Or does the bank account have to be in the passenger's name?
 

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Or does the bank account have to be in the passenger's name?
That would indeed be unnecessarily restrictive (not to mention discriminatory). As a 17 year old (or under) needs one but doesn’t have to pay the bank account can’t be linked to security, surely?
 

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That is what Canada and the USA both do. They require an ETA visa (Canada) or an ESTA visa (USA) for air travel but allow full visa free travel by land. That would simplify things especially as those without bank accounts and without internet access will probably cross by land.

ESTA is required to enter the US by land. So the only way to get into Canada without an eTA is by cruise ship, or ferry from St Pierre. The only way to get into St Pierre besides from Canada is by seasonal flight from France, which will require ETIAS.
Or does the bank account have to be in the passenger's name?
I think payment would be by card rather than by bank transfer? Visa, Mastercard and Amex do not check the cardholder's name when making online payments.
 

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