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Transport for Wales Class 231 / 756 Stadler FLIRTs

craigybagel

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I assume it was a while ago now as I've never had a problem with TfW sunday service due to a lack of staff in a long while.
It came into effect about a year ago for drivers and in May for guards. It was negotiated between the relevant unions and the company, and voted on and accepted by the employees. Sundays are now treated the same as any other day of the week.
 
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Just cross-posting here from the South Wales Metro thread that 756/0 (3-car) entry to service on the Coryton/Caerphilly/Penarth route has been announced for Saturday 19th July. Initially one diagram will be changed over to the new trains, with others being gradually added, as has been done with other introductions.
 

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Just cross-posting here from the South Wales Metro thread that 756/0 (3-car) entry to service on the Coryton/Caerphilly/Penarth route has been announced for Saturday 19th July. Initially one diagram will be changed over to the new trains, with others being gradually added, as has been done with other introductions.

Presumably they don't need much in the way of training/test runs then.
 

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Presumably they don't need much in the way of training/test runs then.
Presumably not - or the ever-unreliable TfW press office have screwed this up, which is quite possible. Quite a while back I remember asking some of the traincrew on here about what level of training would be required for drivers who already can drive a 756 and who already signed the route on a diesel unit, and the consensus seemed to be that in principle no specific training was required but managers/instructors would be available to ride in the cab and offer support. So with one diagram being introduced initially, I presume it's likely that the drivers will be accompanied by an instructor on their first day(s) in service.
 

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Presumably not - or the ever-unreliable TfW press office have screwed this up, which is quite possible. Quite a while back I remember asking some of the traincrew on here about what level of training would be required for drivers who already can drive a 756 and who already signed the route on a diesel unit, and the consensus seemed to be that in principle no specific training was required but managers/instructors would be available to ride in the cab and offer support. So with one diagram being introduced initially, I presume it's likely that the drivers will be accompanied by an instructor on their first day(s) in service.

I don't know if they have to go and check the boarding distances at each door at all stations.

I presume this hasn't happened yet since as far as I know only one 756 has ever run to Coryton. (And that was a 4 car version).
 

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My apologies, this has already been agreed with the RMT, the agreement does however exclude TfW cross border services.

"We will aim to achieve Sundays inside the working week at all depots by May 2024"

But the failure again to get a test train out between Penarth and Coryton doesn't bode well for the recent press release which said the phased introduction of the 3 carriage 756's on this route will be on the 19th July
(Unless the phased introduction is of test trains!!)
 
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But the failure again to get a test train out between Penarth and Coryton doesn't bode well for the recent press release which said the phased introduction of the 3 carriage 756's on this route will be on the 19th July
(Unless the phased introduction is of test trains!!)
What's most concerning is the 150s are going off lease to be scrapped whether the 756s or 398s are ready or not. Granted the 150s are confined to very few lines now but as we know TfW's deadlines for introduction of new trains are extremely flexible.
 

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If the 756/0s do start on the Coryton line on the 19th July is this in any way connected to the fact the Rhymney line will be closer for electrification or is it just coincidence?
 

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If the 756/0s do start on the Coryton line on the 19th July is this in any way connected to the fact the Rhymney line will be closer for electrification or is it just coincidence?
The Caerphilly to Rhymney line closes on 19 July (the first day of the school summer holidays) for another 6 week closure right across the school summer holidays until September
 

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The Caerphilly to Rhymney line closes on 19 July (the first day of the school summer holidays) for another 6 week closure right across the school summer holidays until September

TfW seemed to be suggesting that they were aiming to have the Ty Glas level crossing rebuilt over the school holidays - and that it is not permitted to remain open in its current form once the 756s start running as they are too quiet. (Maybe they need louder horns?)
 

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People commuting habits have changed in the last few years, especially into Cardiff. Its very noticeable how the morning and evening rush is not what it used to be. The only time Cardiff Central is really busy these days is when a major event is taking place. If you look at CDF or CDQ exit and entry data, it still has a long way to recover ~80%, But Places like Penarth, Aberdare, Potypridd and Rhymney are still way down, only 50% to 66% of theirs peaks in 2017/18

The disruption caused by the metro enabling works hasn't helped and could not have come at a worse time, I wonder how difficult it will be to get some people back on board once most of the metro work have finally finished.
If you close a line for 6 weeks or 6 months then people get used to finding other ways to commute.

I know at least two people who stopped using the train due to constant cancellations and disruptions, they risked their employment due to being late so often. One changed jobs (WFH) and the other bought a car to commute.
TfW will have a hard sell to get people like this back.

(Sorry this post should have really gone in the Cardiff Metro Section)
 
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People commuting habits have changed in the last few years, especially into Cardiff. Its very noticeable how the morning and evening rush is not what it used to be. The only time Cardiff Central is really busy these days is when a major event is taking place. If you look at CDF or CDQ exit and entry data, it still has a long way to recover ~80%, But Places like Penarth, Aberdare, Potypridd and Rhymney are still way down, only 50% to 66% of theirs peaks in 2017/18

The disruption caused by the metro enabling works hasn't helped and could not have come at a worse time, I wonder how difficult it will be to get some people back on board once most of the metro work have finally finished.
If you close a line for 6 weeks or 6 months then people get used to finding other ways to commute.

I know at least two people who stopped using the train due to constant cancellations and disruptions, they risked their employment due to being late so often. One changed jobs (WFH) and the other bought a car to commute.
TfW will have a hard sell to get people like this back.

(Sorry this post should have really gone in the Cardiff Metro Section)
I know of people who have struggled with the rail replacement buses but have no other choice. So many people don't have cars these days and when the trains are back so are they. Once they are back, new trains on, faster journey times and more of them, people will come back. Parking in Cardiff is expensive and it's different to get to. It will be short term pain for longer term gain.

Back to the topic. I didn't realize the gradient out of Abercynon until yesterday watching a 756 absolutely monster it up there!
 

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Once they are back, new trains on, faster journey times and more of them, people will come back. Parking in Cardiff is expensive and it's different to get to. It will be short term pain for longer term gain.

Well I presume that's what TfW are betting on.
I hope they're right.

I think though that they could have done quite a bit to make the "short term" (not actually that short) less painful.

More on topic....

I got excited about what looked like a test train from Coryton tonight...but it seems to be just an ECS return working from the extra service planned this evening due to the concert in the Millennium Stadium.
 

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It wasn't a serious suggestion.

Though their horns do sound rather odd to me.
A friend of mine who lives on a hill outside Dinas Powys, complains the 231's horns are so loud, that almost 2 miles away it makes him jump in the garden. They have a discordant sound that grates on your ears. Even in Penarth I can hear them, many miles away. I feel sorry for people who live next to the track where this 'W' sign is.
The level crossing in question is only 50 metres from a road bridge (to the Murch) it really seems strange to have a level crossing so close to a road bridge in the first place.
 

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The 231/756 horns sound kind-of "distorted" (but to me in an amusing way, apart from being "make-you-jump loud" of course!) but I don't understand how that's even possible with actual air horns rather than say, speakers.
They sound like they are grossly over driven, i.e. non tonal and lots of harmonics, yes you can over drive air horns just like anything else.
Suppose that's make them more annoying/loud which is the point really.
 

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The level crossing in question is only 50 metres from a road bridge (to the Murch) it really seems strange to have a level crossing so close to a road bridge in the first place.
I often wonder this, shouldn't they be trying to close these level crossings. New trains being too quiet sounds like the perfect excuse.

Though I'm unfamiliar with the area perhaps this one is a particularly important one (though everywhere seems to say their level crossing is vital).

Perhaps with a longer term view of using 398s they can just move it to line of sight running where crossings are more acceptable.
 

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I suspect TfW have made their horns so loud, in the hope locals give in an ask for the crossing to be shut
 

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Thanks for letting us know :)

This now means that 22 (of 24) 756s have been in service.

5 (of 7) 3-coach 756s have been in service (756002/004/005/006/007)

All 17 4-coach 756s have been in service (756101/102/103/104/105/106/107/108/109/110/111/112/113/114/115/116/117)

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The number of 756s still to enter service is down to 2, both of which are 3-coach units (756001/003)

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The overall number of new Transport for Wales (TfW) trains that have been in service is now up to 99 (of 148):

40 (of 51) 197/0s
All 26 197/1s
All 11 231s
5 (of 7) 756/0s
All 17 756/1s

This leaves 49 new TfW trains still to enter service:

11 197/0s
36 398s
2 756/0s
 

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The 231/756 horns sound kind-of "distorted" (but to me in an amusing way, apart from being "make-you-jump loud" of course!) but I don't understand how that's even possible with actual air horns rather than say, speakers.
Living near the Clacton branch on GA you can always tell the 755s running on the branch (ECS daily to Clacton depot for maintenance) compared to the 720s, the STADLERS horns sound like a donkey being strangled!
 

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