Examples of sleeper stock used as daytime stock?

[Iskra]

From time to time the GWR Night Riviera sleeper service has been formed of daytime stock such as a HST, or IET.

However, are there any historic examples where sleeper stock has stood in for daytime services in some form of rolling stock emergency?

A couple of 'grey areas' are the Caledonian Sleeper seating coach acting as a normal reservation-only daytime train between Edinburgh and Fort William, and the GWR 57's that operated Bristol-Weymouth (I think) summer Saturday services. I am sure there are much more interesting examples from the past.

 

[Sir Felix Pole]

The seating coaches of the 'Night Riviera' were available for local travel in Devon and Cornwall until quite recently, but now only for Reading / Paddington passengers. The down service from Plymouth, in particular, was well used. The enhanced local service on the Cornish Main Line has now provided suitable alternatives.

 

[Mag_seven]

Not "sleeping" stock as such but the stock for the overnight "Nightrider" in the 80s (specially modified with dimmed lights) was frequently used on daytime services.

 

[superalbs]

From time to time the GWR Night Riviera sleeper service has been formed of daytime stock such as a HST, or IET.

However, are there any historic examples where sleeper stock has stood in for daytime services in some form of rolling stock emergency?

A couple of 'grey areas' are the Caledonian Sleeper seating coach acting as a normal reservation-only daytime train between Edinburgh and Fort William, and the GWR 57's that operated Bristol-Weymouth (I think) summer Saturday services. I am sure there are much more interesting examples from the past.

Par to Plymouth, Plymouth to Exeter, Exeter to Penzance

Every Saturday or Sunday, can't remember which. Was very good fun to be honest.

 

[Mainline421]

The seating coaches of the 'Night Riviera' were available for local travel in Devon and Cornwall until quite recently, but now only for Reading / Paddington passengers. The down service from Plymouth, in particular, was well used. The enhanced local service on the Cornish Main Line has now provided suitable alternatives.

They still provide the local service for Taunton, Exeter St Davids, and Newton Abbot, it's only after Plymouth it becomes set down only. Used to run a daytime service to Exeter until around 2017 too.

 

[hexagon789]

Seated coaches off various sleepers were used for daytime workings in a few places, one that springs to mind is a set of 4 or 5 Mk2 air-cons plus a Mk1 full brake being used on a Inverness to Kyle & return for a period in the ~early 90s.

 

[Cheshire Scot]

Seated coaches off various sleepers were used for daytime workings in a few places, one that springs to mind is a set of 4 or 5 Mk2 air-cons plus a Mk1 full brake being used on a Inverness to Kyle & return for a period in the ~early 90s.

And in the 1970s the seated section of the overnight Glasgow to Inverness portion worked to Thurso and back during the day before returning south that night

 

[30907]

The seats of the Fort William sleeper in the 70s/80s formed a significant part of the 0600 off Glasgow QS (and the evening return).

 

[hexagon789]

And in the 1970s the seated section of the overnight Glasgow to Inverness portion worked to Thurso and back during the day before returning south that night

Stock utilisation at it's finest!

 

[Iskra]

The seats of the Fort William sleeper in the 70s/80s formed a significant part of the 0600 off Glasgow QS (and the evening return).

They went on to Mallaig too, forming an unofficial through train.*

*Possibly only in the summer?

 

[The exile]

Not UK, but on the continent, couchette coaches were often pressed into service on daytime services.

 

[Cowley]

Par to Plymouth, Plymouth to Exeter, Exeter to Penzance

Every Saturday or Sunday, can't remember which. Was very good fun to be honest.

Yes, summer Saturdays. We did it a few times and it was great.

 

[Cricketer8for9]

Not UK, but on the continent, couchette coaches were often pressed into service on daytime services.

In 1987 my day train from Port Bou to Narbonne certainly looked like it was formed of the night stock from Paris. Very long train; not many passengers.

 

[norbitonflyer]

They went on to Mallaig too, forming an unofficial through train.*

*Possibly only in the summer?

My recollection when I used that train was that the coaches for Mallaig were attached to the sleeper at Glasgow Queen Street. No individual coach worked all the way through from Euston to Mallaig, although it was possible for a passenger to do so without leaving the train

 

[30907]

My recollection when I used that train was that the coaches for Mallaig were attached to the sleeper at Glasgow Queen Street. No individual coach worked all the way through from Euston to Mallaig, although it was possible for a passenger to do so without leaving the train

Mine too (except for Euston read Kings X). I recall an extra TSO being attached at Ft Wm too.

 

[Cheshire Scot]

They went on to Mallaig too, forming an unofficial through train.*

*Possibly only in the summer?

I think there may have been some very rare occasions when a coach (or even two) did go through but it was never regular, the Mallaig coaches were attached at Glasgow Queen St (in Kings Cross days one did come from Edinburgh but was not avertised as through) and the London portion detached at Fort William where, in summer, additional coaches for Mallaig were attached.

 

[Bevan Price]

Not UK, but on the continent, couchette coaches were often pressed into service on daytime services.

On many long distance overnight trains, they started as normal seating coaches, and changed to couchette configuration for the night-time part of the journey, then reverted to seating configuration in the next morning.

 

[matchmaker]

On many long distance overnight trains, they started as normal seating coaches, and changed to couchette configuration for the night-time part of the journey, then reverted to seating configuration in the next morning.

That was the configuration when 3rd class sleepers were introduced on the LMS, LNER and GWR in 1928.

 

[sammyg901]

An Oxford service was operated using the sleeper stock a long time back!

 

[The exile]

On many long distance overnight trains, they started as normal seating coaches, and changed to couchette configuration for the night-time part of the journey, then reverted to seating configuration in the next morning.

I was referring more to the use of couchette coaches in normal daytime trains - I think I last encountered one in about 2017. And no - it wasn’t a through coach off/for an overnight.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Not UK, but on the continent, couchette coaches were often pressed into service on daytime services.

I experienced a sort-of counter to that a few years ago. I'd booked a seat in the seated coach on the Paris to Latour overnight, but a late vehicle swap meant I had a couchette compartment instead. Loading was low so I had the whole compartment to myself too, so I felt a little sorry for those who'd paid a fair bit more than me to share an identical compartment with up to five strangers!

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

An Oxford service was operated using the sleeper stock a long time back!

About 2012 wasn’t it? I still can’t quite understand how that happened

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Yes, summer Saturdays. We did it a few times and it was great.

There were a few permutations, the last couple of summers saw it starting from St Erth rather than Par and some years it ran straight through to Exeter without a break at Plymouth.