Class 701 'Aventra' trains for South Western Railway: progress updates

[Goldfish62]

From what I can see from the Waterloo LTP diagrams, 701 diagrams will as follow on the daily circuits from these headcodes, please remember that these all won't go over to 701s from next Monday.

2H05
2H87 -> 2H94 -> 2R15
1D12 and so on alternating with 2J services
2O03
2O05
2D15
2D28
1H90 -> 2R55 (unsure if 1N90 is included in this diagram in the AM peak)
2V53 (seems to be on a new circuit as currently it's included in the 2S diagrams which seem to have no 701s on them yet)
2H97 -> 2H64
2M71

Many thanks for posting this.

 

[OneTrackMinded]

From what I can see from the Waterloo LTP diagrams, 701 diagrams will as follow on the daily circuits from these headcodes, please remember that these all won't go over to 701s from next Monday.

2H05
2H87 -> 2H94 -> 2R15
1D12 and so on alternating with 2J services
2O03
2O05
2D15 and so on alternating with 2J services
2D28 and so on alternating with 2J services
1H90 -> 2R55
2V53 (seems to be on a new circuit as currently it's included in the 2S diagrams which seem to have no 701s on them yet)
2H97 -> 2H64
2M71

Looks good, mostly replacing 455s and some 450s + 458s.

 

[Bikeman78]

From what I can see from the Waterloo LTP diagrams, 701 diagrams will as follow on the daily circuits from these headcodes, please remember that these all won't go over to 701s from next Monday.

2H05
2H87 -> 2H94 -> 2R15
1D12 and so on alternating with 2J services
2O03
2O05
2D15 and so on alternating with 2J services
2D28 and so on alternating with 2J services
1H90 -> 2R55
2V53 (seems to be on a new circuit as currently it's included in the 2S diagrams which seem to have no 701s on them yet)
2H97 -> 2H64
2M71

Thanks. Does this mean that they won't go to Windsor anymore? Or are these in addition to the existing diagrams?

 

[swr444]

Ok so next week confirmed:

the 458 diagram on 1D12 is going to 2x455
2D90 is going to 458/5
for some reason 2U09 is going over to 458/4
2J15 diagram going to 701
2O05 diagram going to 701
2S59 is showing as a 458/5, maybe it will be a 5 car...
2C09 also showing as a 458/5 which is very confusing. Maybe there's been an error with the 458/4 inputs.
2V53 will be a 701
2H97 still 455

 

[OneTrackMinded]

Ok so next week confirmed:

the 458 diagram on 1D12 is going to 2x455
2D90 is going to 458/5
2J15 diagram going to 701
2O05 diagram going to 701
2S59 is showing as a 458/5, maybe it will be a 5 car...
2C09 also showing as a 458/5 which is very confusing. Maybe there's been an error with the 458/4 inputs.
2V53 will be a 701
2H97 still 455

Three new diagrams, however...

for some reason 2U09 is going over to 458/4

???
So it's basically two new diagrams since one is being lost...

 

[nctd2306]

Ok so next week confirmed:

the 458 diagram on 1D12 is going to 2x455
2D90 is going to 458/5
for some reason 2U09 is going over to 458/4
2J15 diagram going to 701
2O05 diagram going to 701
2S59 is showing as a 458/5, maybe it will be a 5 car...
2C09 also showing as a 458/5 which is very confusing. Maybe there's been an error with the 458/4 inputs.
2V53 will be a 701
2H97 still 455

And what of the Reading 455 diagrams if you don't mind me asking?

 

[swr444]

Three new diagrams, however...

???
So it's basically two new diagrams since one is being lost...

but then 2U19 is a 701 so...unsure whats going on there

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And what of the Reading 455 diagrams if you don't mind me asking?

2C05/16, 07/18, 69/80 still 455 it seems

 

[OneTrackMinded]

but then 2U19 is a 701 so...unsure whats going on there

Assuming that's part of the same diagram circuit still, it sounds like an error. Can't imagine they want to do some strange setup where a /4 does the first few services and then it switches over.

 

[swr444]

Assuming that's part of the same diagram circuit still, it sounds like an error. Can't imagine they want to do some strange setup where a /4 does the first few services and then it switches over.

ignore that, I cross-read the LTP! 2U19 is showing as 458/4 also.

 

[OneTrackMinded]

ignore that, I cross-read the LTP! 2U19 is showing as 458/4 also.

So a diagram is being lost then. How strange.

 

[43096]

but then 2U19 is a 701 so...unsure whats going on there

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2C05/16, 07/18, 69/80 still 455 it seems

Does 2C55 remain 455 too?

 

[Siemens Staines]

If you don't mind me asking, and only if it is easy to answer, how many diagrams are there for each of the emu fleets in next weeks STP. If I have understood correctly, the LTP was

444 - 41
450 - 120
455 - 45
458/4 - 24
458/5 - 2
701/0 - 14

 

[swr444]

i'm not so sure sorry

If you don't mind me asking, and only if it is easy to answer, how many diagrams are there for each of the emu fleets in next weeks STP. If I have understood correctly, the LTP was

444 - 41
450 - 120
455 - 45
458/4 - 24
458/5 - 2
701/0 - 14i

 

[norbitonflyer]

Ok so next week confirmed:

..........
2J15 diagram going to 701
...............

2J15 is not one of those listed in post 13171

Looking at RTT it appears to be formed on Mopnday from 1D05, which is of course an existing diagram (albeit at present just one round trip)

 

[OneTrackMinded]

2J15 is not one of those listed in post 13171

Looking at RTT it appears to be formed on Mopnday from 1D05, which is of course an existing diagram (albeit at present just one round trip)

So it’s two “proper” new diagrams, with one existing being taken away.. so really just a gain of one? Very disappointing considering the new training programme.

 

[Goldfish62]

So it’s two “proper” new diagrams, with one existing being taken away.. so really just a gain of one? Very disappointing considering the new training programme.

Training only restarted three weeks ago! And remember that it's been stated on this thread that further diagrams of those listed can go over to 701 at any time.

 

[Robert Carroll]

Disruption this evening as it appears that 701017 got stuck at Vauxhall for 25 minutes on the 18:42 Waterloo-Shepperton via Kingston.

 

[Bikeman78]

Monday.

But not necessarily on one of the existing 455 diagrams.

You win!

 

[swr444]

Does 2C55 remain 455 too?

it's long term planned as a 455

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Disruption this evening as it appears that 701017 got stuck at Vauxhall for 25 minutes on the 18:42 Waterloo-Shepperton via Kingston.

2M53 broke down just before too, which was the main cause of the severe disruption.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

From what I can see from the Waterloo LTP diagrams, 701 diagrams will as follow on the daily circuits from these headcodes, please remember that these all won't go over to 701s from next Monday.

2H05
2H87 -> 2H94 -> 2R15
1D12 and so on alternating with 2J services
2O03
2O05
2D15 and so on alternating with 2J services
2D28 and so on alternating with 2J services
1H90 -> 2R55
2V53 (seems to be on a new circuit as currently it's included in the 2S diagrams which seem to have no 701s on them yet)
2H97 -> 2H64
2M71

Thanks for this. 2D15 and 2D28 are the same diagram though, no?

 

[swr444]

Thanks for this. 2D15 and 2D28 are the same diagram though, no?

probably, I was just scrolling through the diagrams and inserting what I thought was relevant. I don't know the exact diagram of every service

 

[OneTrackMinded]

Clapham Junction sidings look very empty today with multiple “lanes/roads” empty. Can’t tell if they’ve just moved the 701s closer together over to the left or if some have actually gone elsewhere.

 

[bb21]

If you don't mind me asking, and only if it is easy to answer, how many diagrams are there for each of the emu fleets in next weeks STP. If I have understood correctly, the LTP was

444 - 41
450 - 118
455 - 55
458/4 - 24
458/5 - 3
701/0 - 7

Revisions in red.

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Disruption this evening as it appears that 701017 got stuck at Vauxhall for 25 minutes on the 18:42 Waterloo-Shepperton via Kingston.

It was 25 minutes late. It didn't get stuck for 25 minutes as it was already 17 minutes late when it got there.

There is a known issue with door air on the Aventra platform which is causing a lot of issues at the moment. Fixes are being developed and will be rolled out in due course.

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I've heard a lot of conflicting info about how many new planned 701 diagrams will be in the May timetable change. Some say 14, others say 18, and I've also heard 20.
We'll just have to wait for the STPs to come out I guess.

Base plan FX is 14. I don't know where some people got the other numbers from.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

From what I can see from the Waterloo LTP diagrams, 701 diagrams will as follow on the daily circuits from these headcodes, please remember that these all won't go over to 701s from next Monday.

2H05
2H87 -> 2H94 -> 2R15
1D12 and so on alternating with 2J services
2O03
2O05
2D15 and so on alternating with 2J services
2D28 and so on alternating with 2J services
1H90 -> 2R55
2V53 (seems to be on a new circuit as currently it's included in the 2S diagrams which seem to have no 701s on them yet)
2H97 -> 2H64
2M71

Thanks for this. So according to swr444's posts, 701s are planned to have:
8 Shepperton or Kingston loop diagrams
3 Dorking/Guildford via Epsom/Hampton Court diagrams
and 1 Windsor diagram
if I've understood correctly? Obviously not all from next week, as has been established.

 

[bb21]

Thanks for this. So according to swr444's posts, 701s are planned to have:
8 Shepperton or Kingston loop diagrams
3 Dorking/Guildford via Epsom/Hampton Court diagrams
and 1 Windsor diagram
if I've understood correctly? Obviously not all from next week, as has been established.

3 Windsors in base plan

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

3 Windsors in base plan

Ah, so 8 Kingston, 3 Epsom/Hampton Ct (or possibly 2 as I identified one mentioned service as being on the same diagram as another) and 3 Windsors? 14 isn't too bad considering.

 

[bb21]

Ah, so 8 Kingston, 3 Epsom/Hampton Ct (or possibly 2 as I identified one mentioned service as being on the same diagram as another) and 3 Windsors? 14 isn't too bad considering.

They intermingle. I haven't run through all the details but 2J92 is on the same circuit as 2O53/2K57 later with a break in the middle of the day, and will likely be used as one of those for swapping things out, so it's not all definite. 2H94 for example also interworks with Hounslow loop peak extras, again with a break middle of the day.

 

[Siemens Staines]

Revisions in red.

Thank you for your reply.

 

[swr444]

Thanks for this. So according to swr444's posts, 701s are planned to have:
8 Shepperton or Kingston loop diagrams
3 Dorking/Guildford via Epsom/Hampton Court diagrams
and 1 Windsor diagram
if I've understood correctly? Obviously not all from next week, as has been established.

2D15 + 28 are the same diagram, and was a mistake on my behalf

 

[PG]

There is a known issue with door air on the Aventra platform which is causing a lot of issues at the moment. Fixes are being developed and will be rolled out in due course.

Do you know if this is affecting other TOCs as well as SWT?